Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
Feb 23rd 2013, 4:58 pm
#121
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
The same rhetoric, historical inaccuracies, mammoth exaggerations, and ill conclusions, as ever. Far more journalistic in nature than they are academic. In fact, very much similar to what one would read when one looks at the other end of the stick, to the so called the radical Muslims. They reiterate a similar kind of perceptions and talk the same language about the west and the western history.
I was once listening to one of those guys giving a speech about what the Crusaders had done when they went into Jerusalem after laying a long siege to the city, he went:
“According to western sources, in less than one week 30,000 Muslim men, women and children were slayed. But when Saladin retook the city back from the Crusaders 70 years later, he forgave them all and set them free to go home”
So far, what this guy has just said is actually the truth. The problem, however, was when he went on to draw his conclusions when he said:
“Those two different acts do not actually surprise me a bit , because in the Bible the word sword was mentioned 407 times, while in the Quran the word sword was mentioned zero times” (those figures are actually true)
Unfortunately, In such dialogues, where HATE is the order of the day, the main victim is always the objectivity
Though it’s very tempting for me to respond and highlight the errors ( the historical and the otherwise) in your reply, I am not, however, going to do so because this discussion can go on for ever. At the end of the day it all depends on how you wish to view the glass; either half full or half empty.
And, yes this thread has been driven off topic big time, which goes to remind me of the good old technique of politicians: ‘if you are cornered with a question, dodge the issue to get out of trouble’
I am sure there will be more opportunities to catch up in future posts, , but for now its better that I disengage with you and sail away
I was once listening to one of those guys giving a speech about what the Crusaders had done when they went into Jerusalem after laying a long siege to the city, he went:
“According to western sources, in less than one week 30,000 Muslim men, women and children were slayed. But when Saladin retook the city back from the Crusaders 70 years later, he forgave them all and set them free to go home”
So far, what this guy has just said is actually the truth. The problem, however, was when he went on to draw his conclusions when he said:
“Those two different acts do not actually surprise me a bit , because in the Bible the word sword was mentioned 407 times, while in the Quran the word sword was mentioned zero times” (those figures are actually true)
Unfortunately, In such dialogues, where HATE is the order of the day, the main victim is always the objectivity
Though it’s very tempting for me to respond and highlight the errors ( the historical and the otherwise) in your reply, I am not, however, going to do so because this discussion can go on for ever. At the end of the day it all depends on how you wish to view the glass; either half full or half empty.
And, yes this thread has been driven off topic big time, which goes to remind me of the good old technique of politicians: ‘if you are cornered with a question, dodge the issue to get out of trouble’
I am sure there will be more opportunities to catch up in future posts, , but for now its better that I disengage with you and sail away
You've brought up quite a few things in response then declined to give specific reasons why. This all started because you challenged my assertion that the English have been in England longer than the Arabs have been in most of the middle east (bar their heartlands of course). I provided dates for the Saxon conquest of Britain and showed that they pre-dated the Arabs rise and expansion around the middle east by a few centuries. We then started this tit for tat and you've been decent enough to reply to exact points once, I have replied in turn and invited you to join me in a new thread as we're way off topic in this one....you've declined to do that so that's the end of it.
It's a pity that whenever facts that are contrary to your beliefs come up it's alluded that hate is the reason rather than simple polemics. No surprise to me at all really. But thanks for being reasonable and polite - that's a lot more than some on these boards.
N.
Feb 23rd 2013, 5:02 pm
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”
Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”
There's also recompense to legal action in their jurisdictions or good old fashion threats and murder (following the example the most perfect man).
Anyway I'll let someone else call you racist this time
N.
Feb 24th 2013, 3:35 am
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”
Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”
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Feb 24th 2013, 7:57 am
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”
Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”
First, the point was about the number of times the word sword was mentioned in the Quran, you failed to quote one!!
Second, all you did was to pick up parts of some versus from the Quran and quote them out of context. Those amputated sentences you quoted describe some wars when the Madenia city was continuously under attack by hostile armies. Had you written the full verse you would have then seen the full meaning. For example, You did not quote the next following verse that says “and if they seek peace then immediately stop all hostilities and escort them to safety. If you have read the early history of Islam you would have understood that right from the first day of the revelation up until the last day of the prophet’s life The whole of Arabia was at war with this small Muslim community.
Let me run this experiment with you just to highlight to you how outrageous your errors are :
If I was to tell you that there was a man in history who said the followings:
[we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength
whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills]
Without me telling you who said those statements and what the context was , your first impression would be that those words could only come from a blood thirsty terrorist. But if I was to tell you that those were the very words of Sir Winston Churchill in one of his speeches when Britain was at war and under massive attacks, you would then begin to understand the context because the whole meanings become different.
And who is Ishaq??? I suppose you mean Ibn_Ishaq, the author who wrote a book on interpretation of Quran, what is this has to do with the main idea, after all, Hitler established his own Reich church with priests producing interpretations of the Bible in view of Nazi ideologies!!!
Feb 24th 2013, 8:11 am
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
First, the point was about the number of times the word sword was mentioned in the Quran, you failed to quote one!!
Second, all you did was to pick up parts of some versus from the Quran and quote them out of context. Those amputated sentences you quoted describe some wars when the Madenia city was continuously under attack by hostile armies. Had you written the full verse you would have then seen the full meaning. For example, You did not quote the next following verse that says “and if they seek peace then immediately stop all hostilities and escort them to safety. If you have read the early history of Islam you would have understood that right from the first day of the revelation up until the last day of the prophet’s life The whole of Arabia was at war with this small Muslim community.
Let me run this experiment with you just to highlight to you how outrageous your errors are :
If I was to tell you that there was a man in history who said the followings:
[we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength
whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills]
Without me telling you who said those statements and what the context was , your first impression would be that those words could only come from a blood thirsty terrorist. But if I was to tell you that those were the very words of Sir Winston Churchill in one of his speeches when Britain was at war and under massive attacks, you would then begin to understand the context because the whole meanings become different.
And who is Ishaq??? I suppose you mean Ibn_Ishaq, the author who wrote a book on interpretation of Quran, what is this has to do with the main idea, after all, Hitler established his own Reich church with priests producing interpretations of the Bible in view of Nazi ideologies!!!
Second, all you did was to pick up parts of some versus from the Quran and quote them out of context. Those amputated sentences you quoted describe some wars when the Madenia city was continuously under attack by hostile armies. Had you written the full verse you would have then seen the full meaning. For example, You did not quote the next following verse that says “and if they seek peace then immediately stop all hostilities and escort them to safety. If you have read the early history of Islam you would have understood that right from the first day of the revelation up until the last day of the prophet’s life The whole of Arabia was at war with this small Muslim community.
Let me run this experiment with you just to highlight to you how outrageous your errors are :
If I was to tell you that there was a man in history who said the followings:
[we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength
whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills]
Without me telling you who said those statements and what the context was , your first impression would be that those words could only come from a blood thirsty terrorist. But if I was to tell you that those were the very words of Sir Winston Churchill in one of his speeches when Britain was at war and under massive attacks, you would then begin to understand the context because the whole meanings become different.
And who is Ishaq??? I suppose you mean Ibn_Ishaq, the author who wrote a book on interpretation of Quran, what is this has to do with the main idea, after all, Hitler established his own Reich church with priests producing interpretations of the Bible in view of Nazi ideologies!!!
Feb 24th 2013, 10:43 am
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
I'm not going to defend the turgid piece of medieval political propaganda that is the Qu'ran but this is pretty gratuitous out-of-context quoting. Among the many reasons to severely question a book which was supposedly to provide God's words for all time is why it was so pre-occupied with specific conflicts of the time which are minor in the sweep of history. The bloodthirsty quotes above all relate to actions sanctioned in very specific conflicts and/or based on conditions about the behaviours of the opponents (there is a particular obsession with pagan Arabs on the Jazeera). It is extremely misleading to suggest that they represent the general teaching of Islam. This is easily illustrated by the relative tolerance - for the time- shown to other religions and practice by most of the early caliphates (the Umayyads in Cordoba being the shining example of course). Again, I point that out not to defend this particular cult but in the interests of truth and accuracy.
It's also pre-medieval as was fairly enlightened for it's day but still doesn't compare to Buddha, Christ or Confucius...who all pre-date it by centuries.
N.
Last edited by Norm_uk; Feb 24th 2013 at 10:49 am.
Feb 24th 2013, 10:44 am
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
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Feb 24th 2013, 11:42 am
#128
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
First, the point was about the number of times the word sword was mentioned in the Quran, you failed to quote one!!
Second, all you did was to pick up parts of some versus from the Quran and quote them out of context. Those amputated sentences you quoted describe some wars when the Madenia city was continuously under attack by hostile armies. Had you written the full verse you would have then seen the full meaning. For example, You did not quote the next following verse that says “and if they seek peace then immediately stop all hostilities and escort them to safety. If you have read the early history of Islam you would have understood that right from the first day of the revelation up until the last day of the prophet’s life The whole of Arabia was at war with this small Muslim community.
Let me run this experiment with you just to highlight to you how outrageous your errors are :
If I was to tell you that there was a man in history who said the followings:
[we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength
whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills]
Without me telling you who said those statements and what the context was , your first impression would be that those words could only come from a blood thirsty terrorist. But if I was to tell you that those were the very words of Sir Winston Churchill in one of his speeches when Britain was at war and under massive attacks, you would then begin to understand the context because the whole meanings become different.
And who is Ishaq??? I suppose you mean Ibn_Ishaq, the author who wrote a book on interpretation of Quran, what is this has to do with the main idea, after all, Hitler established his own Reich church with priests producing interpretations of the Bible in view of Nazi ideologies!!!
Second, all you did was to pick up parts of some versus from the Quran and quote them out of context. Those amputated sentences you quoted describe some wars when the Madenia city was continuously under attack by hostile armies. Had you written the full verse you would have then seen the full meaning. For example, You did not quote the next following verse that says “and if they seek peace then immediately stop all hostilities and escort them to safety. If you have read the early history of Islam you would have understood that right from the first day of the revelation up until the last day of the prophet’s life The whole of Arabia was at war with this small Muslim community.
Let me run this experiment with you just to highlight to you how outrageous your errors are :
If I was to tell you that there was a man in history who said the followings:
[we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength
whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills]
Without me telling you who said those statements and what the context was , your first impression would be that those words could only come from a blood thirsty terrorist. But if I was to tell you that those were the very words of Sir Winston Churchill in one of his speeches when Britain was at war and under massive attacks, you would then begin to understand the context because the whole meanings become different.
And who is Ishaq??? I suppose you mean Ibn_Ishaq, the author who wrote a book on interpretation of Quran, what is this has to do with the main idea, after all, Hitler established his own Reich church with priests producing interpretations of the Bible in view of Nazi ideologies!!!
All i was doing here was pointing out how glaringly ****ing ridiculous that was.
as for out of context, we hear that again and again along with religion of peace etc and yet the voice of moderate islam is still unheard.
your knowledge of history is as indoctrinated as your knowledge of the koran. I shall bow out of this one as i really cant be bothered wasting my time this time. normally id be more than happy to pile in but frankly i cant be arsed.
and before you accuse me of being anti islam, I'm not, i'm really not. i am equally against all religions and the suppression of thought
Feb 24th 2013, 11:50 am
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
This whole argument hangs on if you apply abrogation or not. And the fact remains that there are significant portions of Muslims around the world who do follow these verses. Right or wrong context, this bodes problems for their neighbours...and this is not a new thing. It started when they conquered what are now 28 countries within 30 years of the prophet dying. It's also not like their founder was a pacifist - he ordered men to war, to take slaves and spoils and had his detractors killed.
It's also pre-medieval as was fairly enlightened for it's day but still doesn't compare to Buddha, Christ or Confucius...who all pre-date it by centuries.
N.
It's also pre-medieval as was fairly enlightened for it's day but still doesn't compare to Buddha, Christ or Confucius...who all pre-date it by centuries.
N.
Feb 24th 2013, 12:02 pm
#130
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
Leviticus is special. If anyone ever needs reminding why the bible is not relevant to modern life, they only need to have a read. It's almost comedic.
Feb 26th 2013, 3:49 am
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
KSA is apparently stuck in the middle ages, bit what about places supposedly otherwise ?
http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-n...-maid-to-death
A S beat her Ethiopian helper with the cord of a hair dryer, put pepper in her eyes and poured hot water over her for several days before she died, said the Emirati’s daughter.
The aunt of the Ethiopian woman appeared in the Abu Dhabi Court of First Instance yesterday to say the family would accept blood money and a year’s salary owed to her niece in exchange for a more lenient sentence
http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-n...-maid-to-death
A S beat her Ethiopian helper with the cord of a hair dryer, put pepper in her eyes and poured hot water over her for several days before she died, said the Emirati’s daughter.
The aunt of the Ethiopian woman appeared in the Abu Dhabi Court of First Instance yesterday to say the family would accept blood money and a year’s salary owed to her niece in exchange for a more lenient sentence
Feb 26th 2013, 6:10 am
#132
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
I don't know many Jews who stone people, practice polygamy or kill their children if they are disobedient. Most Jews I have met aren't even religious.
As for Christians, well a literal following of Christ's teachings wouldn't be so bad (love your neighbours and your enemies etc). It's when they cherry pick things from the Old Testament to justify their own hate that it becomes a problem from what I can see. Jesus clearly stated his kingdom was not of this world...plenty of room for separation of church state there. I would question if they are really Christians in any meaningful sense.
Would you care to address what I actually posted or do you want to delve into the merits of literally follower Judaism or Christianity?
N.
Feb 26th 2013, 6:15 am
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
You're completely changing the subject and attempting to divert the facts I posted by bringing up other beliefs which are not the same at all.
I don't know many Jews who stone people, practice polygamy or kill their children if they are disobedient. Most Jews I have met aren't even religious.
As for Christians, well a literal following of Christ's teachings wouldn't be so bad (love your neighbours and your enemies etc). It's when they cherry pick things from the Old Testament to justify their own hate that it becomes a problem from what I can see. Jesus clearly stated his kingdom was not of this world...plenty of room for separation of church state there. I would question if they are really Christians in any meaningful sense.
Would you care to address what I actually posted or do you want to delve into the merits of literally follower Judaism or Christianity?
N.
I don't know many Jews who stone people, practice polygamy or kill their children if they are disobedient. Most Jews I have met aren't even religious.
As for Christians, well a literal following of Christ's teachings wouldn't be so bad (love your neighbours and your enemies etc). It's when they cherry pick things from the Old Testament to justify their own hate that it becomes a problem from what I can see. Jesus clearly stated his kingdom was not of this world...plenty of room for separation of church state there. I would question if they are really Christians in any meaningful sense.
Would you care to address what I actually posted or do you want to delve into the merits of literally follower Judaism or Christianity?
N.
Feb 26th 2013, 7:20 am
#134
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
You're completely changing the subject and attempting to divert the facts I posted by bringing up other beliefs which are not the same at all.
I don't know many Jews who stone people, practice polygamy or kill their children if they are disobedient. Most Jews I have met aren't even religious.
As for Christians, well a literal following of Christ's teachings wouldn't be so bad (love your neighbours and your enemies etc). It's when they cherry pick things from the Old Testament to justify their own hate that it becomes a problem from what I can see. Jesus clearly stated his kingdom was not of this world...plenty of room for separation of church state there. I would question if they are really Christians in any meaningful sense.
Would you care to address what I actually posted or do you want to delve into the merits of literally follower Judaism or Christianity?
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I don't know many Jews who stone people, practice polygamy or kill their children if they are disobedient. Most Jews I have met aren't even religious.
As for Christians, well a literal following of Christ's teachings wouldn't be so bad (love your neighbours and your enemies etc). It's when they cherry pick things from the Old Testament to justify their own hate that it becomes a problem from what I can see. Jesus clearly stated his kingdom was not of this world...plenty of room for separation of church state there. I would question if they are really Christians in any meaningful sense.
Would you care to address what I actually posted or do you want to delve into the merits of literally follower Judaism or Christianity?
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And are you really making a general point about Jews based on those you know? What about the mushrooming orthodox sects in Israel? The militant West Bank settlers who are destroying local farms? The rabid anti-Arab racism that you can find on any Israeli forum? Have you not read about the little girls in Israel subjected to taunts of "whore" and even being stoned (yes, stoned) simply for going to school?
So yes, there are plenty of stupid evil fundamentalist muslims around but I see no reason why that should characterise all muslims any more than the hatemongers who are Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist (yes, there are plenty), Shinto or whatever.