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Ray May 25th 2008 1:10 am

Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
 

Originally Posted by arbroath_abroad (Post 6391961)
stone her....

LOL..

We need to export L Ron Hubbards team to you out there

jvr20 May 25th 2008 1:11 am

Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
 

Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 6391932)
I may be a Torygraph reader but I agree. Nothing wrong with having an Expo on Islam in the UK. Pity other religions would not be allowed the same freedom in Muslim countries.

Again, would it be as relevant? Is there enough of a middle class population in, say, Indonesia, who would care about an Expo on CofE contributions to cinema and sport?

JC contributors are the majority contributors anyway. Name a film star, and he/she will be (nominally) some Xtian denomination or Jewish.

This thing about 'oh they don't allow us the same freedom' sometimes - not always - sounds a little petty. It's having the cake (moral high ground for being so open and magnanimous, letting these immigrants into our country and even letting them talk about themsleves in open fora) and eating it (there's not a great many of 'our lot' 'over there', but I think we should insist on being allowed to do over there what we let them lot do over here)


Has anyone even looked at the topics they're covering? or is just the name enough to put some people off?

http://www.islamexpo.com/attractions.php?id=7&art=11

Sort of thing that the Qatar Foundation for Education has all the time (aka BBC Doha Debates)

jvr20 May 25th 2008 1:12 am

Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
 

Originally Posted by Meow (Post 6391958)
I await the day when the UAE, and other Arab countires, admit that Judaisim exists...

Correct me if I'm mistaken but I though that (in theory anyway) Islam acknowledges Moses, the Torah, the Talmud and the Jewish race, along with Christians as people of the book?

jvr20 May 25th 2008 1:13 am

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Originally Posted by arbroath_abroad (Post 6391957)
JVR have you been to some Gareth-R seminars or something....

:eek::ohmy::rofl::p

Meow May 25th 2008 1:14 am

Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
 

Originally Posted by jvr20 (Post 6391976)
Correct me if I'm mistaken but I though that (in theory anyway) Islam acknowledges Moses, the Torah, the Talmud and the Jewish race, along with Christians as people of the book?

Islam does, yes.

So why no synagogues here then?

Inselaffen May 25th 2008 1:16 am

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Originally Posted by jvr20 (Post 6391942)
Sure - no one suggested you turn up! It's one thing not to be interested; it's quite another to imply your disapproval with the event even taking place - that's all I was asking.

Meow - yes, perhaps. In fact this has taken place. In Mughal India, Jalaluddin Modk 'Akbar' was a great proponent of interfaith dialogue. His cabinet included those form the majority HIndu population and often invited Sunnis, Shias, Jesuits etc to open meetings.

But that's beside the point. What is the motivation behind organisations like IslamExpo? Do you seriously think it's a conversion drive? Get real. There are, no doubt, other serious prosyletising organisations around - H-ut-T springs to mind.

Your quip about Christianity at the WTC, well, that would be a sensible parallel if there were people going around calling for all Xtns to be locked up because of the actions of a few. Do you seriously see that happening?

you've obviously never heard of internment in Northern Ireland!

The victim card is being played a bit too much by British Muslims. It is a fact the the UK is currently facing only 1 real terrorist threat and that is from Extremist muslims. There are muslims based in the UK who are plotting acts of murder. Society has to be protected against such acts.
The same would happen if it was catholics, hindus etc etc.

Sam FTQ May 25th 2008 1:17 am

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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 6391983)
So why no synagogues here then?

I think because the anti-Jew thing has more to do with politics, than religion.

Blue Cat May 25th 2008 1:17 am

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Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 6391986)
you've obviously never heard of internment in Northern Ireland!

The victim card is being played a bit too much by British Muslims. It is a fact the the UK is currently facing only 1 real terrorist threat and that is from Extremist muslims. There are muslims based in the UK who are plotting acts of murder. Society has to be protected against such acts.
The same would happen if it was catholics, hindus etc etc.

karma sent :thumbsup:

shakh your bootie May 25th 2008 1:20 am

Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
 

Originally Posted by arbroath_abroad (Post 6391957)
JVR have you been to some Gareth-R seminars or something....


Originally Posted by jvr20 (Post 6391976)
Correct me if I'm mistaken but I though that (in theory anyway) Islam acknowledges Moses, the Torah, the Talmud and the Jewish race, along with Christians as people of the book?

Also it should be noted that the Mizrahi Jews (Arab Jews) only left the Arab world post 1948 - up to that point, many Jewish people had lived side by side with Muslim neighbours, often identiying themselves as Arab first, and of the Jewish faith second. The cause of Muslim anti-semitism, however deplorable one finds it, is rooted in the creation of the state of Israel.

I'm not one to harp on about spilt milk, but the western world has some moral responsibility for its imperial heritage.

shakh your bootie May 25th 2008 1:24 am

Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
 

Originally Posted by Meow (Post 6391983)
Islam does, yes.

So why no synagogues here then?

Meow, it may amaze you to know this but there are 11 functioning synagogues in Tehran.

Yes, the same country whose leader wants to wipe Israel from the face of the earth.

Trippy, huh?

Inselaffen May 25th 2008 1:27 am

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Originally Posted by shakh your bootie (Post 6391997)
Also it should be noted that the Mizrahi Jews (Arab Jews) only left the Arab world post 1948 - up to that point, many Jewish people had lived side by side with Muslim neighbours, often identiying themselves as Arab first, and of the Jewish faith second. The cause of Muslim anti-semitism, however deplorable one finds it, is rooted in the creation of the state of Israel.

I'm not one to harp on about spilt milk, but the western world has some moral responsibility for its imperial heritage.

If your are talking Imperial heritage when it comes to Palestine then very difficult to blame the west.

The whole issue can never be solved until religion is separated from the state in all countries. So religion in general should be blamed for the problems in that region.

jvr20 May 25th 2008 1:27 am

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Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 6391986)
you've obviously never heard of internment in Northern Ireland!

The victim card is being played a bit too much by British Muslims. It is a fact the the UK is currently facing only 1 real terrorist threat and that is from Extremist muslims. There are muslims based in the UK who are plotting acts of murder. Society has to be protected against such acts.
The same would happen if it was catholics, hindus etc etc.

and how did that pan out (internment)? Bombings stop miraculously did they?

I have no comment on the 'victim card' quip.

In any case you've conflated two separate debates - I'm not going to debate internment without trial. With your law background I wouldn't dare :eek: -- but I tried to demonstrate the irrelevence of the 'JesusExpo in Jumairah' argument and would welcome your comment on it.

There weren't a great many Jews in this part of the Gulf AIUI - those further west, well yes the pull of Israel and the push of the ghettos and mob violence post 48.

Of coures, I'm sure there was a movement of Jewish thought through these parts - for one, Judaism reached India before it reached WEstern Europe, and I imagine it travelled through the Gulf.

Meow are you implying that there is the demand for a Shuul in Dubai and it has been disallowed? Or are you expressing your dismay that even now Jews don't feel empowered to express their demand for somewhere to pray?

shiva May 25th 2008 1:34 am

Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
 

Originally Posted by shakh your bootie (Post 6391997)
Also it should be noted that the Mizrahi Jews (Arab Jews) only left the Arab world post 1948 - up to that point, many Jewish people had lived side by side with Muslim neighbours, often identiying themselves as Arab first, and of the Jewish faith second. The cause of Muslim anti-semitism, however deplorable one finds it, is rooted in the creation of the state of Israel.

I'm not one to harp on about spilt milk, but the western world has some moral responsibility for its imperial heritage.

aint that the truth.

nb its Zionists and the state of Israel not judaism per say thats unpopular in the ME

shakh your bootie May 25th 2008 1:35 am

Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
 

Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 6392016)
If your are talking Imperial heritage when it comes to Palestine then very difficult to blame the west.

The whole issue can never be solved until religion is separated from the state in all countries. So religion in general should be blamed for the problems in that region.

Does the fact that the Jews of Arabia were happily co-existing with their Muslim neighbours prior to 1948 not suggest to you that the problem is political, not religious?

And, what, you're telling me Balfour was an Arab??? C'mon. Play the white man :p

shakh your bootie May 25th 2008 1:36 am

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Originally Posted by shiva (Post 6392034)
aint that the truth.

nb its Zionists and the state of Israel not judaism per say thats unpopular in the ME

Thanks - and hey, ain't it great that we get to argue on this thread even without Mr Beardman's help????


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