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Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by shakh your bootie
(Post 6392038)
Does the fact that the Jews of Arabia were happily co-existing with their Muslim neighbours prior to 1948 not suggest to you that the problem is political, not religious?
And, what, you're telling me Balfour was an Arab??? C'mon. Play the white man :p |
Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by jvr20
(Post 6392017)
and how did that pan out (internment)? Bombings stop miraculously did they?
I have no comment on the 'victim card' quip. In any case you've conflated two separate debates - I'm not going to debate internment without trial. With your law background I wouldn't dare :eek: -- but I tried to demonstrate the irrelevence of the 'JesusExpo in Jumairah' argument and would welcome your comment on it. There weren't a great many Jews in this part of the Gulf AIUI - those further west, well yes the pull of Israel and the push of the ghettos and mob violence post 48. Of coures, I'm sure there was a movement of Jewish thought through these parts - for one, Judaism reached India before it reached WEstern Europe, and I imagine it travelled through the Gulf. Meow are you implying that there is the demand for a Shuul in Dubai and it has been disallowed? Or are you expressing your dismay that even now Jews don't feel empowered to express their demand for somewhere to pray? I do not feel it should not be allowed because the same would not be allowed for other religions in most Muslim countries. Muslims should have exactly the same rights and limitations in the UK as any other religious group! However, I do feel it is wrong that other religions would not be allowed to do this in most Muslim countries. Countries in this region whilst celebrating their own religious views and history need to become tolerant to other religions and beliefs and separate religion completely from the state. and yes I do believe that rather than complaining about infringements on civil rights the Muslim community as a whole in the UK has to do more to help weed out fundamentalists. There is a clear danger and something needs to be done about it. And I would say the same whether it was christians, Muslims, Hindu's, French, Lancastrians etc. |
Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by Inselaffen
(Post 6392068)
I am in no way against Muslims being allowed an expo in the UK on their faith.
I do not feel it should not be allowed because the same would not be allowed for other religions in most Muslim countries. Muslims should have exactly the same rights and limitations in the UK as any other religious group! However, I do feel it is wrong that other religions would not be allowed to do this in most Muslim countries. Countries in this region whilst celebrating their own religious views and history need to become tolerant to other religions and beliefs and separate religion completely from the state. and yes I do believe that rather than complaining about infringements on civil rights the Muslim community as a whole in the UK has to do more to help weed out fundamentalists. There is a clear danger and something needs to be done about it. And I would say the same whether it was christians, Muslims, Hindu's, French, Lancastrians etc. "Is Radicalisation a Failure of Multiculturalism?" Actually, reading the seminar programme a great deal of it is directed at encouraging Muslims to look at the issues of being Muslim in Britain today. There are many non-Muslim speakers, including a Rabbi.... Surely this is to be encouraged??? |
Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by shakh your bootie
(Post 6392008)
Meow, it may amaze you to know this but there are 11 functioning synagogues in Tehran.
Yes, the same country whose leader wants to wipe Israel from the face of the earth. Trippy, huh? |
Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
So.......... changing the subject completely.... well, not completely actually...... this just in from (C) Reuters.........
:( 16:54 25May08 RTRS- Couple forced to divorce by Saudi court appeal for help By Souhail Karam RIYADH, May 25 (Reuters) - A Saudi couple forced to divorce by an Islamic court have called for more international pressure to reunite them after Saudi authorities failed to fulfil a pledge to a U.N. body to do so. Fatima Azzaz and Mansour al-Timani were forced to separate in 2006 after her brothers persuaded judges her husband's tribal stock was not prestigious enough. It is one of a series of cases that have drawn international criticism of human rights in Saudi Arabia, a key U.S. ally and the world's top oil exporter. Yakin Erturk, the U.N.'s expert on violence against women, said during a visit to Riyadh in February that authorities had promised to allow the couple to reunite. "Our case has not been resolved yet ... I cannot get justice in my country, the United Nations could not get me justice, I turn to Allah and to the world to ask for this injustice to be brought to an end," Timani told Reuters late on Saturday. Officials at the Justice Ministry and the state-run Human Rights Commission were not immediately available for comment. Timani said authorities had repeatedly detained and warned him not to speak to the media. He said he had been banned from travelling or seeing his wife and two-year-old son. "Authorities want me to give up the case. I could spend my entire life seeking justice or even be thrown in a dark cell, but I will never give up," he said by telephone. Fatima Azzaz is being held with her son in a government home for orphans. She refuses to return to her family home as required by the court order divorcing her from Timani, who has custody of their four-year-old daughter. "I urge international organisations to find a quick solution, we have had enough of empty promises," she said by telephone from the Eastern city of Dammam. In December, King Abdullah issued a pardon to a 19-year-old woman condemned to 200 lashes for having been with an unrelated man when seven men kidnapped and raped her. The intervention followed international pressure. Washington asked Riyadh to avoid such cases. Erturk said judicial reform would be crucial to removing a host of restrictions of women's rights in Saudi Arabia, a country which bans women from driving and imposes on them a system of male "guardianship". Women must usually obtain permission from a "guardian" -- father, husband, or son -- to work, travel, study, marry or obtain medical treatment. The king said last year he wanted to reform the judiciary, dominated by clerics of the strict Wahhabi branch of Sunni Islam. Plans are under way to put laws into writing, but reforms could take years. Liberal forces in government are keen to promote reforms but diplomats say they face tough opposition from the clerical establishment backed by some powerful Saudi royals. (Editing by Andrew Roche) (([email protected], +966 1 463 2603; Reuters Messaging: [email protected])) Keywords: SAUDI DIVORCE/APPEAL ENDS |
Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by shakh your bootie
(Post 6392085)
Inse - the very first forum on the expo agenda explores the issue of the radicalisation of young Muslims:
"Is Radicalisation a Failure of Multiculturalism?" Actually, reading the seminar programme a great deal of it is directed at encouraging Muslims to look at the issues of being Muslim in Britain today. There are many non-Muslim speakers, including a Rabbi.... Surely this is to be encouraged??? |
Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by Meow
(Post 6392088)
I have heard that. None in UAE though.
If it's any consolation the Abu Dhabi Authority for Culture and Heritage is funding translation into Arabic of 100 books/year, including books by Jewish Authors. Some of the Nobel Laureates that visited earlier this year for the "Festival of Thinkers" are of the Jewish faith..... Some glimmers of hope. :) |
Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by jvr20
(Post 6392017)
and how did that pan out (internment)? Bombings stop miraculously did they?
I have no comment on the 'victim card' quip. In any case you've conflated two separate debates - I'm not going to debate internment without trial. With your law background I wouldn't dare :eek: -- but I tried to demonstrate the irrelevence of the 'JesusExpo in Jumairah' argument and would welcome your comment on it. There weren't a great many Jews in this part of the Gulf AIUI - those further west, well yes the pull of Israel and the push of the ghettos and mob violence post 48. Of coures, I'm sure there was a movement of Jewish thought through these parts - for one, Judaism reached India before it reached WEstern Europe, and I imagine it travelled through the Gulf. Meow are you implying that there is the demand for a Shuul in Dubai and it has been disallowed? Or are you expressing your dismay that even now Jews don't feel empowered to express their demand for somewhere to pray? I would argue for anyone's right to practice their faith, no matter where they are. It is therefore disappointing that whilst Muslims in Britain have complete freedom, and sadly some have even called for Sharia law to be implemented, the same freedoms are not extended by certain Islamic countries to other faiths. I would suggest that a country that was truly confident in its beliefs would not feel threatened by other belief systems and thus would allow this. |
Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by pauldxb
(Post 6380261)
As the moderator for this thread (HA HA HA) I must say questions like this are blasphemous.....
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Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by Meow
(Post 6392088)
I have heard that. None in UAE though.
A family friend teaches English to Emirati kids through a private institute - she relayed to us over dinner that one day they finished class early so she asked each child to tell the class what they would to do if they had a million dollars to encourage them to express themselves but was completely dismayed when the first boy got up and said he would buy lots of bombs to kill the Jews... Probably for the best that there are no synagogues in the UAE! N. |
Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by Meow
(Post 6391958)
I await the day when the UAE, and other Arab countires, admit that Judaisim exists...
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Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by Squirty Cream
(Post 6591699)
During IMF/World Bank meetings Israelis attended, Jewish people attended, and the same at the Arabian Press Awards event thingy
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Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by The Dean
(Post 6591844)
Yes - and doesn't that commemorative pillar thing down by the World Trade Centre include the Israeli flag?
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Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by Norm_uk
(Post 6593087)
No idea...you'll go blind trying to find flags on that thing as it spins at .25mph. Would be silly to have the Israeli flag up there in a country that doesn't recognise it exists.
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Re: Questions for BEARD MAN ????????????
Originally Posted by Norm_uk
(Post 6591222)
None in the UAE and I know an American couple who were detained at Dubai aiport for 9 hours because they suspected them of having Jewish surnames (turned out to be German but whoever was waiting to pick them up probably had a very big parking fee to pay!).
-----snip ---- N. Stopped for having a Jewish surname? How ridiculous. I have never been stopped & I have a Jewish surname (albeit not an obvious one if you aren't 'in the know' ) and a Hebrew/Israeli first name. |
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