shiva

Saying as my body clocks farked and I'm readjusting to the middle englandshire mindset I leave this here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...UK-cities.html

littlejimmy

FFS. Choudary is completely mental.

Patsy Stoned

" Religion is like a penis..it's fine to have 1, it's fine to be proud of it.
But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around....and don't try to shove it down people's throats!!"

Boomhauer

One almost wonders if the guy isn't a false flag operation, cause theres a picture of him (shown below) in his 20s or 30s having a drink and smiling next to a titty mag.
http://thefinalredoubt.blogspot.com/...with-life.html

Charismatic

Actually they don't need a "Zone" to operate in.

I think this needs some clarification, English law states that any third party can be agreed by two sides to arbitrate in a dispute.

So for example the Beth Din has been operating in London for hundreds of years now. However those who appear must do so voluntarily, the cannot be compelled to do so and according to their own rules both sides must be Jewish. Both sides have to accept the outcome as well.

Just think it's worth noting we have had parallel legal systems for a long time .

littlejimmy

I am starting to think there's some kind of arrangement between them. They obviously love each other. Choudary gets all the publicity for his nonsense and the Mail get to stoke up their brand of fear and hatred.

Norm_uk

Morrissey also said Chinese people are sub-human because of what he thinks they do in their zoos and circuses....

http://www.metro.co.uk/showbiz/83997...-a-sub-species

It's always easy to pick on people who don't blow you up for saying bad things about them. Let's see him comment on halal slaughter and see how much longer his worthless career lasts.

N.

Paracletus

I personally have no problem with this method. Quite the same as the Jews do it. Anyway, Morrisey could go away tomorrow and the world would instantly gain 10 karma. Such a negative self-righteous arsehole with crap music.

The Dean

Yes - and I don't believe in having any religion....... er....... no, hang on..... er.......

Norm_uk

I share more in common with men like Douglas Murray, Col. Allen West, and Christopher Hitchens than with any of the groups you mentioned. A little less of the name calling and false association please.

The Labour party isn't the only party in the UK who has brought Muslims as you put it. The Tories have also been in on the scam of importing voters and passing the buck to the next generation to avoid any uncomfortable debates which might offend people or cause people like you to start telling them they are racist thugs who play on fear but offer no solutions that are not based on fear. Not that fear is always unfounded. Under threat from who? The US is a different animal to the UK and Europe. It's one thing to say or feel government has betrayed it's people/values and another to take up arms. The US was actually founded with the provision that revolution against government was acceptable - the right to bear arms is not just about self defense against burglars.

Anger from whom towards which changes in which society?

Understanding why the percieved Islamisation of Europe is happening is of course the first step in dealing with it by raising it in political debate, exposing the lie of cultural relativism to the voters and having the politicians wake up. This is already starting to happen and it's scaring the established order...one only has to see how the peacefully elected Geert Wilders was put on trial in order to silence him. Of course he's a racist nazi right wing zionist too - even if some of what he says is perfectly true.

This is always a concern when immigration becomes significant in any country. What the solution to this is is another matter though. Simply not giving citizenship and benefits to people who do not speak the host nations language and who are not prepared to swear publicly to put their host culture and values before others is enough there. The Japanese do this as do a number of other countries with lower crime and fewer social problems than Europe. Note: Not giving citizenship does not me mass deportations, or refusing to let people work, visit etc. it means not giving citizenship.

Europe has been on the defensive against Muslim invasions since the 7th century. The last open one came from the Ottomans only 250 years ago. Several Islamist groups and not a few leaders in the Muslim world have declared Europe will be taken over demographically because Europeans are weak now, ashamed of their past empires and are barely having enough children etc...I agree with them very generally on that, we are weak and have no pride.



As to if they are actually going to take over - well birthrates say some EU states will have whites as minorities in the next 50 years or less...this assumes a lot (like a continuation of current trends which I find is speculative) and is often used to play up fears, often by oppurtunitists - which harms proper debate on this topic.

Oh the irony of this statement...shooting the messenger is something you've been doing a lot with me.



N.

Meow

And in Manchester too, but it is on a more private basis, not as a replacement for the UK legal system.

I think an important distinction is that the Jews in the UK have never demanded that the rest of the population should fit in with them, observe their religious laws. They largely have a live and let live attitude. I am sure most Muslims are the same, but we do hear some Muslims demanding otherwise and all that does is annoy people, and rightly so.

Meow

A fine analogy

Norm_uk

Jews haven't blown up any trains and buses in the UK to my knowledge. I haven't seen Jews in the UK calling for the death of novelists who write unkind things about Judaism either.

I'm still against infant genital mutilation and inhumane animal slaughter methods but strangely I feel few people will call me a racist BNP member for highlighting Jewish religious practices which are have no place in the modern world than I do about standing against the religious practices of another Abrahamic religion that don't belong in the 21st Century. Odd that

N.

Charismatic

The only case that springs to mind is the attack on Professor Zeev Sternhell (who writes books and for a popular newspaper) in 2008. However can it still count because he was attacked by fellow Jews who didn't share his political opinions?

After all if we are going to apply this standard across religions Christians, Muslims etc. will actually end up looking much worse. I know it does rather undermine my own argument for Jewish terrorism .

Norm_uk

Most extremist Jews will only want to see Jews safe and running the show in Israel, perhaps within it's historical borders (pre-Roman invasion and certainly pre-Arab invasion). There are so few groups who promote violence in the name of Judaism when compared to Christianity and Islam. I don't want to get into a debate on that but it's just not as frightening to most people as groups who want to stamp religious fascism onto the rest of the planet...with force if needed. There's a reason Christianity and Islam are the biggest religions in the world and not Judaism...and I'm sure it's not all due to convincing preaching and missionary work.

N.