EU migrant crisis
Sep 6th 2015, 5:05 am
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Sep 6th 2015, 5:40 am
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Re: EU migrant crisis
'These people', does not seem to matter what word you use to describe them, illegal immigrants, financial refugees etc then someone will take issue with it. People are very welcome to be offended because taking offence can be a bit of a pastime for some.
I am not offering solutions, nor engaging in debate, I was putting my point that I have zero empathy.
I am not offering solutions, nor engaging in debate, I was putting my point that I have zero empathy.
Have a look at all the grass-root initiatives taking place across Europe. They are all targeted at Syrians. Nobody is offering to allow 15 West Africans into their homes are they?
As for the picture of the little drowned boy it breaks my heart, but no more so than all the kids who drown every year whilst on holiday because their parents were too pissed to take care of them!
Sep 6th 2015, 5:46 am
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And for a similar reason, the parents decided to take the risk, it is their fault that the child is dead, no one else's.
Sep 6th 2015, 6:04 am
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This the problem with Britons and Europeans. We feel that empathy means we have to feel guilty and do something, often at great cost to our nations. We are terrified to not be considered tolerant and and even more terrified of being thought to be racist. So we'll happily bankrupt our countries' ethnic majority, our culture and
London is already an English minority city as is my hometown and several other places. Germany said it's going to allow the equivalent of 1% of it's population in refugees to enter where it will feed and shelter them.
My concern is these people will not go back even when Syria becomes safe (something we are doing nothing to help which baffles me). Most will form yet another separate community in native European lands based on religion and ethnicity and hyphenate their nationality (Syrian-British perhaps) and will most certainly bring their conflicts and biases with them too. And they will engage in our democracy when they get our passports, electing 'their own' and with higher birthrates we can be assured that we (and I mean native Europeans and the legal immigrants who assimilate fully) will be like the Copts in Eygpt - a persecuted minority whose ancestors used to run everything around them.
No doubt many are good people, nice and decent but that's not the issue. We are simply not the repository of the world's problems and the best way we can help is for ALL European countries to put troops on the ground, restore government with no illusions of western style democracy and let these refugees go back to their homes to rebuild.
And we should pay for this by looting Assad's wealth. Why on earth do we keep having wars and helping people for free? Uncle Same charged us interest on the aid we received in WWII! They certainly cared and they helped and they asked for payments...boo hoo.
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London is already an English minority city as is my hometown and several other places. Germany said it's going to allow the equivalent of 1% of it's population in refugees to enter where it will feed and shelter them.
My concern is these people will not go back even when Syria becomes safe (something we are doing nothing to help which baffles me). Most will form yet another separate community in native European lands based on religion and ethnicity and hyphenate their nationality (Syrian-British perhaps) and will most certainly bring their conflicts and biases with them too. And they will engage in our democracy when they get our passports, electing 'their own' and with higher birthrates we can be assured that we (and I mean native Europeans and the legal immigrants who assimilate fully) will be like the Copts in Eygpt - a persecuted minority whose ancestors used to run everything around them.
No doubt many are good people, nice and decent but that's not the issue. We are simply not the repository of the world's problems and the best way we can help is for ALL European countries to put troops on the ground, restore government with no illusions of western style democracy and let these refugees go back to their homes to rebuild.
And we should pay for this by looting Assad's wealth. Why on earth do we keep having wars and helping people for free? Uncle Same charged us interest on the aid we received in WWII! They certainly cared and they helped and they asked for payments...boo hoo.
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Sep 6th 2015, 6:16 am
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Re: EU migrant crisis
Mike -are you Dexter?
Sep 6th 2015, 6:18 am
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Sep 6th 2015, 6:20 am
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To clarify this is how it is in Norway. Not sure about the UK.
Sep 6th 2015, 6:23 am
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Sep 6th 2015, 6:24 am
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That's effectively how it works today though. They are given temporary asylum status while their application for permanent residency is considered. This can take a few years. Some say it is bureaucracy but honestly this delay is probably a good thing. The problem is that even if they are rejected it is bloody hard to get rid of them as they can appeal etc. Even worse if they burnt their papers and are less than truthful about their origins on the application, i.e. where do you send them back to?
To clarify this is how it is in Norway. Not sure about the UK.
To clarify this is how it is in Norway. Not sure about the UK.
Germany for one though states stay 6 years and you can apply for citizenship.
Sep 6th 2015, 12:26 pm
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Sep 6th 2015, 4:16 pm
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The problem is that if Assad stays on top, the refugees will say it isn't safe and no one will argue even though the Assads has been on top for decades and he didn't cleanse the Sunnis out though there was the usual issues common to a dicatatorship but then virtually all countries in the region are dictatorships .
Israel's labour party leader Herzog says Israel should take in refugees but that xenophobe Netanyahu says NO, Israel will not be submerged by refugees. Guess he forgets that Jews emmigrate out of Israel and the long history of Jews settling far and wide. Netanyahu is like the Saudis and Emiratis in his racial attitudes.
Sep 6th 2015, 4:20 pm
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I completely agree with you. Refugee status temporary visa which are renewable until such time as Syria is deemed safe again.
Don't know why we don't have renewable 3 year visas for most people to be honest. The idea that people NEED to be given a passport just for living and working somewhere is silly as all expats know. I don't advocate the Gulf system with it's sexism and racism but I'm sure European countries could come up with a suitable idea that mirrors it's better aspects.
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Don't know why we don't have renewable 3 year visas for most people to be honest. The idea that people NEED to be given a passport just for living and working somewhere is silly as all expats know. I don't advocate the Gulf system with it's sexism and racism but I'm sure European countries could come up with a suitable idea that mirrors it's better aspects.
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