EU migrant crisis
Sep 3rd 2015, 5:28 pm
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Re: EU migrant crisis
Just a few of the things Britain did for India during its Colonial rule (yes I copied this from and interesting article written by an Indian Gentleman)
1. Sati or Suttee: William Bentinck abolished it finally after collecting data that 800 died in Sati in Bengal alone that year. It took an iron hand from the British to abolish this ghastly custom.
2. Female Infanticide: Banned by the British. Unfortunately, it is still practiced heavily in India especially in Haryana and Punjab where female to male ratio is at an all time low.
3. Burying of Lepers alive: "Thou shalt not burn thy widows; Thou shalt not kill thy daughters; Thou shalt not bury alive thy lepers." were the commandments issued in 1846.
4. Anti Slavery act: Result of Christian Abolitionists like Zachary Macaulay and William Wilberforce who waged a 20 year 'Am I not a man and a brother' campaign.
Technology:
1. Dams: The British built dams of remarkable technological feat. These have helped India in making more dams after independence. You can still see 'Made in England' signs on these dams built during the colonial era.
2. Railways: By 1929, 66000 km of railway was constructed carrying 620 million passengers and 90 million tons of goods per year.
3. Electricity: The first demonstration was done by PJ Fleury in 1879 during the colonial era. London controlled Kilburn and Co. till 1970. First hydroelectric installation was done in 1870 and the first electric train in 1925. All under the colonial rule.
4. Modern Bridges: For example - One of the bridges (Howrah Bridge) is the most iconic landmark of Calcutta. When commissioned in 1943, it was the 3rd longest cantilever bridge in the world.
5. Canals and irrigation: 75000 miles of canals were constructed in the colonial era. Now that's something! Waters of five rivers (the Jhelum, the Chenab, the Ravi, the Sutlej, and the Beas) were harnessed to transform 6 million acres of desert into richest agricultural regions in asia (Punjab). Punjab was chosen for green revolution later on for its abundant water supply. Plenty of irrigation works in Ganges and Godavari by Proby Cautley and Arthur Cotton.
6. Telecommunication (Telephone, Telegraph etc.): First started in 1850 with construction and opening of telephone exchanges in 1882 (Bombay, Calcutta and Madras)
7. Transatlantic telegraph cable: First to connect Bombay to rest of the world 1870
8. Great Trigonometrical Survey of India: (1802) Among the many accomplishments of the Survey were the demarcation of the british territories in India and the measurement of the height of Everest, K2 and Kanchenjunga. The Survey had an enormous scientific impact as well, being responsible for one of the first accurate measurements of a section of an arc of longitude, and for measurements of the geodesic anomaly.
9. Power Stations: First one built in 1897 followed by many more.
10. Coal industry in India: Started from scratch by the British.
Government:
1. Democracy, Common law and Order
2. Postal Service: Started by the British.
3. Parliament (Lutyens Delhi): Built.
4. President's Building (Lutyens Delhi): Built.
5. Municipal Corporation: Started by the British.
6. Indian Civil Service (despite knowing that they will ultimately threaten their rule). Absolutely Incorruptible. Look at the corruption in civil services after independence!
7. Forestry: Created Forestry department to preserve forests. The magnificent Forest Research Institute in Dehradoon and Jim Corbett's tireless effort in saving tigers. Jim Corbett National park bears testimony to his efforts.
8. Modern Universities and Education: 186 universities till 1911 including Uni of Bombay, Madras and Calcutta. Schools and education for males and females.
9. Created, Designed and Developed New Delhi
10. Indian National Congress : Founded by A O Hume joined by Annie Besant.
11. Created Indian Army: By 1945, trained Indian Army was 2+ million strong. Indian army fought alongside the British and supplied the second largest army with Australia and Canada to save the world.
12. Created Indian Air force: By 1945, Nine trained squadrons existed (28000+ personnel) that helped the empire fend off the Axis.
13: Created Archaelogical Survey of India department: Without this ancient and medieval era civilization like Indus valley would be unknown.
14: Created Geological Survey of India
15: Created Botanical Survey of India
16: Created Survey of India
17: Created Zoological Survey of India
18: Created Indian police Service and Criminal Investigation Department (C.I.D.)
19: India's central bank i.e. Reserve Bank of India established in the colonial era. Also India's largest bank State Bank of India traces its roots to 1806.
20. Indian Council of Agricultural Research 1929
21. Medical Council of India 1934
22. Commercial production of Tea (India is now one of the world's largest producer of tea)
23: National Archives of India 1891: Holds records of governments.
24. Modern Indian Navy: In 1947, the navy consisted of 33 ships, and 538 officers to secure a coastline of more than 4,660 miles and 1,280 islands
25. Modern census: First conducted in 1872 and then every 10 years (under Ripon)
26. Factory act (1881): Under Ripon to improve condition of workers. He was very popular and liked.
27. Ancient Monuments preservation Act 1904
28. Indian Meteorology Department 1875: Henry Francis Blanford was the first director. (Weather, Seismology etc.)
29. National Library (formerly Imperial library): The Calcutta Public Library had a unique position as the first public library in this part of the world. Such a well-organized and efficiently run library was rare even in Europe during the first half of the 19th century. Because of the efforts of the Calcutta Public Library, the present National Library has many extremely rare books and journals in its collection. Curzon made it for public use to promote education.
30. Indian Marine Survey Department (1874)
Tourism:
1. Hill Stations: It is said that 50 out of 80 hill stations were created by the British in India (even though to escape from blistering summer heat). These remain for Indians to enjoy - Mussorie, Ooty, Darjeeling Dalhousie, Simla etc.
2. Architecture: Victoria terminus in Bombay is a world heritage site. Edwin Lutyens and Herbert Baker designed New Delhi and the magnificent Parliament and President's building (Rastrapati Bhawan) stands tall. India Gate and Gateway of India along with Forest research Institute are all there for everyone to enjoy. Many glorious buildings are in Calcutta and Bombay.
3. Historical places: Plenty of them.
4. Indus valley civilization: Bronze age Harrapa, Mohenjo Daro etc. were discovered in 1842, excavated and preserved by the British (1920)
5. Restoration of Taj Mahal, Fateh Pur Sikri and many other historic buildings: Nehru recognized this preservation under Curzon.
6. Indian Museum Calcutta: It is the earliest and the largest multipurpose Museum not only in the Indian subcontinent but also in the Asia-Pacific region of the world.
Crime:
1. Thuggee: The great William Henry Sleeman destroyed thuggee cult who murdered 2 million+ Indians. He is remembered fondly in Jabalpur and a village called Sleemanabad dedicated to him.
2. Destruction of Pindaris who were supported by Marathas: Pindaris plundered, burned villages, killed people and raped women. Hastings destroyed them by organising a huge army.
Other:
1. India - created from 600+ princely states with some of them ruled by oppressive kings.
2. English: United India with a common language without which Indian would not have been thriving in software, call centres and going to America.
3. Asiatic Society: Created by William Jones where millions of manuscripts have been preserved. The holy books like Gita, Upanishads, Literature by Kalidas etc. have been translated by William Jones. The works by Madhava of Kerala School would be unknown without this fantastic department.
4. Scientists: Without the British professor Hardy, Ramanujan would be unknown to the world. Shame he died so young! Other notable scientists like CV Raman, Homi Bhabha (Nuclear Physicist), JC Bose, SN Bose, Vikram Sarabai(Space research), Radhanath Sikdar etc. belonged to the colonial era.
5. Japan and Germany's Hitler: The British empire saved the world from atrocities by fighting the Axis instead of accepting the offer from Hitler.
6. Modernisation: Brought India to the modern world. She is on the path to become the largest economy in the future.
Medicine:
1. Hospital: The first hospital in India was created by the British followed by many hospitals during the colonial era.
2. Indian Medical Association: Indian doctors are now known for their skills world wide.
3. Prevention and research in diseases like Malaria, Plague, Cholera, Small Pox: Who could forget the great Ronald Ross who is remembered fondly in India for his research on Malaria? It is said that Edward Jenner with his work on Small pox saved more lives than the work of any other man.
4. Sanitation
5. Vaccination: Population of India grew during the colonial era.
Sports:
1. Cricket (It is a rich sport in India)
2. Hockey (India's national sport)
Famous People:
1. William Jones: Started Asiatic society. WIthout him, the archaelogy work would not have received such an impetus that discovered India's past empires like Gupta, Maurya etc. Translated holy books like Gita, Upanishads etc. Even Kerala school of Mathematics was uncovered by this department.
2. Ronald Ross: Nobel prize winning research on Malaria. Roads and institutes are named after him in India.
3. Arthur Cotton: Revered in the state of Andhra Pradesh for his irrigation works in Godavari turning the area into rice bowl of the state. Museums and statues exist in India and his birthday is celebrated every year.
4. Proby Cautley: Known for irrigation works in the Ganges.
5. Charles Philip Brown: Known as promoter of Telugu language and dedicated his life to state of Andhra Pradesh with his contribution to schools and literature. He's amongst 20 great people of the state.
6. Jim Corbett: Saved the villagers from hunting man eating tigers. Later on he campaigned tirelessly to save tigers and establish the first national Park. Jim Corbett National Park is dedicated to him.
7. William Henry Sleeman: Revered in Jabalpur for eliminating thuggees and bandits. He also found the first dinosaur fossil in India. Also worked to enforce the ban on Sati.
8. Lord Curzon: Without him, preservation of monuments, archaelogical work etc. would not have received such an impetus. He was obsessed with preservation.
9. William Bentinck: Banned Sati, infanticide, thuggee etc.
10. Wilberforce and Macaulay: 20 year campaign against Slavery by abolitionists that also resulted in Indian slavery act. British empire was the first to ban slavery and also patrol the seas to enforce it.
11. Florence Nightingale: Made a comprehensive statistical study of sanitation in Indian rural life and was the leading figure in the introduction of improved medical care and public health service in India. In 1858 and 1859 she successfully lobbied for the establishment of a Royal Commission into the Indian situation.
1. Sati or Suttee: William Bentinck abolished it finally after collecting data that 800 died in Sati in Bengal alone that year. It took an iron hand from the British to abolish this ghastly custom.
2. Female Infanticide: Banned by the British. Unfortunately, it is still practiced heavily in India especially in Haryana and Punjab where female to male ratio is at an all time low.
3. Burying of Lepers alive: "Thou shalt not burn thy widows; Thou shalt not kill thy daughters; Thou shalt not bury alive thy lepers." were the commandments issued in 1846.
4. Anti Slavery act: Result of Christian Abolitionists like Zachary Macaulay and William Wilberforce who waged a 20 year 'Am I not a man and a brother' campaign.
Technology:
1. Dams: The British built dams of remarkable technological feat. These have helped India in making more dams after independence. You can still see 'Made in England' signs on these dams built during the colonial era.
2. Railways: By 1929, 66000 km of railway was constructed carrying 620 million passengers and 90 million tons of goods per year.
3. Electricity: The first demonstration was done by PJ Fleury in 1879 during the colonial era. London controlled Kilburn and Co. till 1970. First hydroelectric installation was done in 1870 and the first electric train in 1925. All under the colonial rule.
4. Modern Bridges: For example - One of the bridges (Howrah Bridge) is the most iconic landmark of Calcutta. When commissioned in 1943, it was the 3rd longest cantilever bridge in the world.
5. Canals and irrigation: 75000 miles of canals were constructed in the colonial era. Now that's something! Waters of five rivers (the Jhelum, the Chenab, the Ravi, the Sutlej, and the Beas) were harnessed to transform 6 million acres of desert into richest agricultural regions in asia (Punjab). Punjab was chosen for green revolution later on for its abundant water supply. Plenty of irrigation works in Ganges and Godavari by Proby Cautley and Arthur Cotton.
6. Telecommunication (Telephone, Telegraph etc.): First started in 1850 with construction and opening of telephone exchanges in 1882 (Bombay, Calcutta and Madras)
7. Transatlantic telegraph cable: First to connect Bombay to rest of the world 1870
8. Great Trigonometrical Survey of India: (1802) Among the many accomplishments of the Survey were the demarcation of the british territories in India and the measurement of the height of Everest, K2 and Kanchenjunga. The Survey had an enormous scientific impact as well, being responsible for one of the first accurate measurements of a section of an arc of longitude, and for measurements of the geodesic anomaly.
9. Power Stations: First one built in 1897 followed by many more.
10. Coal industry in India: Started from scratch by the British.
Government:
1. Democracy, Common law and Order
2. Postal Service: Started by the British.
3. Parliament (Lutyens Delhi): Built.
4. President's Building (Lutyens Delhi): Built.
5. Municipal Corporation: Started by the British.
6. Indian Civil Service (despite knowing that they will ultimately threaten their rule). Absolutely Incorruptible. Look at the corruption in civil services after independence!
7. Forestry: Created Forestry department to preserve forests. The magnificent Forest Research Institute in Dehradoon and Jim Corbett's tireless effort in saving tigers. Jim Corbett National park bears testimony to his efforts.
8. Modern Universities and Education: 186 universities till 1911 including Uni of Bombay, Madras and Calcutta. Schools and education for males and females.
9. Created, Designed and Developed New Delhi
10. Indian National Congress : Founded by A O Hume joined by Annie Besant.
11. Created Indian Army: By 1945, trained Indian Army was 2+ million strong. Indian army fought alongside the British and supplied the second largest army with Australia and Canada to save the world.
12. Created Indian Air force: By 1945, Nine trained squadrons existed (28000+ personnel) that helped the empire fend off the Axis.
13: Created Archaelogical Survey of India department: Without this ancient and medieval era civilization like Indus valley would be unknown.
14: Created Geological Survey of India
15: Created Botanical Survey of India
16: Created Survey of India
17: Created Zoological Survey of India
18: Created Indian police Service and Criminal Investigation Department (C.I.D.)
19: India's central bank i.e. Reserve Bank of India established in the colonial era. Also India's largest bank State Bank of India traces its roots to 1806.
20. Indian Council of Agricultural Research 1929
21. Medical Council of India 1934
22. Commercial production of Tea (India is now one of the world's largest producer of tea)
23: National Archives of India 1891: Holds records of governments.
24. Modern Indian Navy: In 1947, the navy consisted of 33 ships, and 538 officers to secure a coastline of more than 4,660 miles and 1,280 islands
25. Modern census: First conducted in 1872 and then every 10 years (under Ripon)
26. Factory act (1881): Under Ripon to improve condition of workers. He was very popular and liked.
27. Ancient Monuments preservation Act 1904
28. Indian Meteorology Department 1875: Henry Francis Blanford was the first director. (Weather, Seismology etc.)
29. National Library (formerly Imperial library): The Calcutta Public Library had a unique position as the first public library in this part of the world. Such a well-organized and efficiently run library was rare even in Europe during the first half of the 19th century. Because of the efforts of the Calcutta Public Library, the present National Library has many extremely rare books and journals in its collection. Curzon made it for public use to promote education.
30. Indian Marine Survey Department (1874)
Tourism:
1. Hill Stations: It is said that 50 out of 80 hill stations were created by the British in India (even though to escape from blistering summer heat). These remain for Indians to enjoy - Mussorie, Ooty, Darjeeling Dalhousie, Simla etc.
2. Architecture: Victoria terminus in Bombay is a world heritage site. Edwin Lutyens and Herbert Baker designed New Delhi and the magnificent Parliament and President's building (Rastrapati Bhawan) stands tall. India Gate and Gateway of India along with Forest research Institute are all there for everyone to enjoy. Many glorious buildings are in Calcutta and Bombay.
3. Historical places: Plenty of them.
4. Indus valley civilization: Bronze age Harrapa, Mohenjo Daro etc. were discovered in 1842, excavated and preserved by the British (1920)
5. Restoration of Taj Mahal, Fateh Pur Sikri and many other historic buildings: Nehru recognized this preservation under Curzon.
6. Indian Museum Calcutta: It is the earliest and the largest multipurpose Museum not only in the Indian subcontinent but also in the Asia-Pacific region of the world.
Crime:
1. Thuggee: The great William Henry Sleeman destroyed thuggee cult who murdered 2 million+ Indians. He is remembered fondly in Jabalpur and a village called Sleemanabad dedicated to him.
2. Destruction of Pindaris who were supported by Marathas: Pindaris plundered, burned villages, killed people and raped women. Hastings destroyed them by organising a huge army.
Other:
1. India - created from 600+ princely states with some of them ruled by oppressive kings.
2. English: United India with a common language without which Indian would not have been thriving in software, call centres and going to America.
3. Asiatic Society: Created by William Jones where millions of manuscripts have been preserved. The holy books like Gita, Upanishads, Literature by Kalidas etc. have been translated by William Jones. The works by Madhava of Kerala School would be unknown without this fantastic department.
4. Scientists: Without the British professor Hardy, Ramanujan would be unknown to the world. Shame he died so young! Other notable scientists like CV Raman, Homi Bhabha (Nuclear Physicist), JC Bose, SN Bose, Vikram Sarabai(Space research), Radhanath Sikdar etc. belonged to the colonial era.
5. Japan and Germany's Hitler: The British empire saved the world from atrocities by fighting the Axis instead of accepting the offer from Hitler.
6. Modernisation: Brought India to the modern world. She is on the path to become the largest economy in the future.
Medicine:
1. Hospital: The first hospital in India was created by the British followed by many hospitals during the colonial era.
2. Indian Medical Association: Indian doctors are now known for their skills world wide.
3. Prevention and research in diseases like Malaria, Plague, Cholera, Small Pox: Who could forget the great Ronald Ross who is remembered fondly in India for his research on Malaria? It is said that Edward Jenner with his work on Small pox saved more lives than the work of any other man.
4. Sanitation
5. Vaccination: Population of India grew during the colonial era.
Sports:
1. Cricket (It is a rich sport in India)
2. Hockey (India's national sport)
Famous People:
1. William Jones: Started Asiatic society. WIthout him, the archaelogy work would not have received such an impetus that discovered India's past empires like Gupta, Maurya etc. Translated holy books like Gita, Upanishads etc. Even Kerala school of Mathematics was uncovered by this department.
2. Ronald Ross: Nobel prize winning research on Malaria. Roads and institutes are named after him in India.
3. Arthur Cotton: Revered in the state of Andhra Pradesh for his irrigation works in Godavari turning the area into rice bowl of the state. Museums and statues exist in India and his birthday is celebrated every year.
4. Proby Cautley: Known for irrigation works in the Ganges.
5. Charles Philip Brown: Known as promoter of Telugu language and dedicated his life to state of Andhra Pradesh with his contribution to schools and literature. He's amongst 20 great people of the state.
6. Jim Corbett: Saved the villagers from hunting man eating tigers. Later on he campaigned tirelessly to save tigers and establish the first national Park. Jim Corbett National Park is dedicated to him.
7. William Henry Sleeman: Revered in Jabalpur for eliminating thuggees and bandits. He also found the first dinosaur fossil in India. Also worked to enforce the ban on Sati.
8. Lord Curzon: Without him, preservation of monuments, archaelogical work etc. would not have received such an impetus. He was obsessed with preservation.
9. William Bentinck: Banned Sati, infanticide, thuggee etc.
10. Wilberforce and Macaulay: 20 year campaign against Slavery by abolitionists that also resulted in Indian slavery act. British empire was the first to ban slavery and also patrol the seas to enforce it.
11. Florence Nightingale: Made a comprehensive statistical study of sanitation in Indian rural life and was the leading figure in the introduction of improved medical care and public health service in India. In 1858 and 1859 she successfully lobbied for the establishment of a Royal Commission into the Indian situation.
Sep 3rd 2015, 5:32 pm
#77
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Re: EU migrant crisis
Ok - so we may have taken a few rocks too. But the truth is that we were able to abuse the natives as they were all busy hating each other. It made the divide and conquer so much easier. Nowadays there are no excuses for the lack of progress - of course you could blame the bureaucracy the english left behind but the obvious answer is that it doesn't need to be kept - it just happens that its very effective at allowing people to shaft each other. Consider these case studies:
One country in the world has just other 1bn people. They have developed a nuclear program but have huge social issues mostly due to their inability to distribute opportunity fairly and work together. There are deep trust issues in society. Social and economic development is a challenge.
Another country in the world has just other 1bn people. They have developed a nuclear program and have managed to pull millions of people out of poverty, improved sanitation, water and far less social issues than the other country. As a group they mostly work together towards a common goal. Social and economic development has been a challenge but many issues are solved quickly.
Name the two countries. Having worked with governments of both countries I can honestly say that the inability to work together and constant "shafting" of each other is why the first country will never develop. Shame, as it has the better food.
Now... back to the EU block... I honestly think (and hope) this could start to signal the end of the EU.
One country in the world has just other 1bn people. They have developed a nuclear program but have huge social issues mostly due to their inability to distribute opportunity fairly and work together. There are deep trust issues in society. Social and economic development is a challenge.
Another country in the world has just other 1bn people. They have developed a nuclear program and have managed to pull millions of people out of poverty, improved sanitation, water and far less social issues than the other country. As a group they mostly work together towards a common goal. Social and economic development has been a challenge but many issues are solved quickly.
Name the two countries. Having worked with governments of both countries I can honestly say that the inability to work together and constant "shafting" of each other is why the first country will never develop. Shame, as it has the better food.
Now... back to the EU block... I honestly think (and hope) this could start to signal the end of the EU.
Not sure which two countries you are referring to? I was referring to India (Occupied until 1947) now the world's fastest growing economy. Poverty gradually being reduced, the middle class now 60%. People are better dressed, fed, educated, they travel. I have watched it happen.
Democracy leading to a new Government etc. etc.
(Puzzled though what you mean as the food is generally good)
Agree that UK should leave the EU
Sep 3rd 2015, 5:41 pm
#78
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Re: EU migrant crisis
Could go through your quote and refute much of it. This thread is not the place. Most of it was done by the British for themselves.
Sep 3rd 2015, 5:55 pm
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Re: EU migrant crisis
Sep 3rd 2015, 6:04 pm
#82
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Re: EU migrant crisis
Alternative views are great, and refreshing as long as they are factually correct !
Your own home, so what you doing on here?? Nothing to do with the great British Passport is it?
Sep 3rd 2015, 6:05 pm
#83
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Re: EU migrant crisis
I have before discussed this idea in great details in this forum. It mimics the model that brought Hong Kong into existence. A model that has proved its worth and is very much viable in all times.
Sep 3rd 2015, 6:21 pm
#85
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Re: EU migrant crisis
Egyptian billionaire wants to buy an island from Greece or Italy and create an independent society there for the refugees.
Egypt billionare offers to buy Med island for refugees
Why doesn't he buy large tract of land in the Sinai and develop it for the refugees?? Sinai is a large area that is sparsely populated.
Egypt billionare offers to buy Med island for refugees
Why doesn't he buy large tract of land in the Sinai and develop it for the refugees?? Sinai is a large area that is sparsely populated.
Sawiris said in a television interview that he would approach the governments of Greece and Italy about his plan.
Asked by AFP whether he believed it could work, he said: "Of course it's feasible."
"You have dozens of islands which are deserted and could accommodate hundreds of thousands of refugees."
Sawiris said an island off Greece or Italy could cost between $10 million and $100 million, but added the "main thing is investment in infrastructure".
Asked by AFP whether he believed it could work, he said: "Of course it's feasible."
"You have dozens of islands which are deserted and could accommodate hundreds of thousands of refugees."
Sawiris said an island off Greece or Italy could cost between $10 million and $100 million, but added the "main thing is investment in infrastructure".
Sep 3rd 2015, 6:23 pm
#86
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Re: EU migrant crisis
I know, it's not my thread and you can tell me to cock off - but this is a dull spat / hijack....
Sep 3rd 2015, 6:24 pm
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Re: EU migrant crisis
And will he support them for ever and ever? Smells like BS.
Sep 3rd 2015, 6:24 pm
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Re: EU migrant crisis
I've got finger friction burns from scrolling down and down and ....
Sep 3rd 2015, 6:32 pm
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Re: EU migrant crisis
Yes, I have a British passport I also have an OCI card.
What are you trying to imply? are not all holders of British passports British?? Are there some not allowed on BE in your view?
I am British born, bred and I have to say it as apparently important on BE --White!! Member of Indian family for nearly 50 years so must have learned some facts.
We have always divided our time between the two homes so Bipat/Duopat not expat.
It may surprise you that Indian people --many now departed--do actually talk about the days when the British ruled.
Yes back to the immigrant problem, but the subject cannot be separated from West/East relationships and perhaps some humility from the West.
Last edited by Bipat; Sep 3rd 2015 at 6:36 pm.
