EU migrant crisis
Sep 17th 2015, 6:04 am
#256
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Re: EU migrant crisis
Could be worse....
The one thing that can be said for Christianity is that it acted as a bulwark against the spread of Islam into Europe (see Charles Martel). Imagine how different things would be if the invading armies had successfully conquered the European heartland....
Between the two religions, I know which one I'd pick.
The one thing that can be said for Christianity is that it acted as a bulwark against the spread of Islam into Europe (see Charles Martel). Imagine how different things would be if the invading armies had successfully conquered the European heartland....
Between the two religions, I know which one I'd pick.
Sep 17th 2015, 6:07 am
#257
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Re: EU migrant crisis
Could be worse....
The one thing that can be said for Christianity is that it acted as a bulwark against the spread of Islam into Europe (see Charles Martel). Imagine how different things would be if the invading armies had successfully conquered the European heartland....
Between the two religions, I know which one I'd pick.
The one thing that can be said for Christianity is that it acted as a bulwark against the spread of Islam into Europe (see Charles Martel). Imagine how different things would be if the invading armies had successfully conquered the European heartland....
Between the two religions, I know which one I'd pick.
Sep 17th 2015, 6:10 am
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Re: EU migrant crisis
That's almost of what has been tried, tested and repeatedly in the last 25 years. I guess they didn't go far enough in terms of ruling and implementing democracy of course.
Anyway why **** off? If Europe is overrun with migrants by then I'm sure a lot of people would be happy to ship off to a slightly better climate...
Anyway why **** off? If Europe is overrun with migrants by then I'm sure a lot of people would be happy to ship off to a slightly better climate...
Sep 17th 2015, 6:15 am
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Sep 17th 2015, 6:29 am
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Sep 17th 2015, 6:32 am
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Re: EU migrant crisis
Exactly. It can only work if you are there for a couple of generations.
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Sep 17th 2015, 6:34 am
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I'd argue that it's a gross simplification of the two religions. Islamic society and Christian societies were very different and in no small part due to the religion.
To use as a case point is the attitude towards the role of the religion in society. While medieval Europe was very devout, it was not wholly dominated by the church the way religion dominated Islamic societies. In Islamic societies there's no formally identified and structured religious element, every aspect of the society is imbued with the religion, it is indivisible. But in Christian Europe, the church was clearly defined as a separate entity from the monarchies, for example. The church had its own laws and courts, the kingdoms had their own laws and the two were more often than not in conflict with one another.
The western world is historically defined by Christianity as well as the reaction against Christianity and that reaction against the religion has always been present in some form and to some degree, even during the darkest days. The long term evolution of the western mindset is a consequence of this, it is why Europe quickly became much more intellectually stimulating and creative, with tremendous long term implications for why we are what we are now and how we think and approach our world around us.
One cannot say that about the Islamic world.
To use as a case point is the attitude towards the role of the religion in society. While medieval Europe was very devout, it was not wholly dominated by the church the way religion dominated Islamic societies. In Islamic societies there's no formally identified and structured religious element, every aspect of the society is imbued with the religion, it is indivisible. But in Christian Europe, the church was clearly defined as a separate entity from the monarchies, for example. The church had its own laws and courts, the kingdoms had their own laws and the two were more often than not in conflict with one another.
The western world is historically defined by Christianity as well as the reaction against Christianity and that reaction against the religion has always been present in some form and to some degree, even during the darkest days. The long term evolution of the western mindset is a consequence of this, it is why Europe quickly became much more intellectually stimulating and creative, with tremendous long term implications for why we are what we are now and how we think and approach our world around us.
One cannot say that about the Islamic world.
Sep 17th 2015, 6:47 am
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Re: EU migrant crisis
Exactly. It can only work if you are there for a couple of generations.
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Sep 17th 2015, 7:06 am
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Re: EU migrant crisis
I'd argue that it's a gross simplification of the two religions. Islamic society and Christian societies were very different and in no small part due to the religion.
To use as a case point is the attitude towards the role of the religion in society. While medieval Europe was very devout, it was not wholly dominated by the church the way religion dominated Islamic societies. In Islamic societies there's no formally identified and structured religious element, every aspect of the society is imbued with the religion, it is indivisible. But in Christian Europe, the church was clearly defined as a separate entity from the monarchies, for example. The church had its own laws and courts, the kingdoms had their own laws and the two were more often than not in conflict with one another.
The western world is historically defined by Christianity as well as the reaction against Christianity and that reaction against the religion has always been present in some form and to some degree, even during the darkest days. The long term evolution of the western mindset is a consequence of this, it is why Europe quickly became much more intellectually stimulating and creative, with tremendous long term implications for why we are what we are now and how we think and approach our world around us.
One cannot say that about the Islamic world.
To use as a case point is the attitude towards the role of the religion in society. While medieval Europe was very devout, it was not wholly dominated by the church the way religion dominated Islamic societies. In Islamic societies there's no formally identified and structured religious element, every aspect of the society is imbued with the religion, it is indivisible. But in Christian Europe, the church was clearly defined as a separate entity from the monarchies, for example. The church had its own laws and courts, the kingdoms had their own laws and the two were more often than not in conflict with one another.
The western world is historically defined by Christianity as well as the reaction against Christianity and that reaction against the religion has always been present in some form and to some degree, even during the darkest days. The long term evolution of the western mindset is a consequence of this, it is why Europe quickly became much more intellectually stimulating and creative, with tremendous long term implications for why we are what we are now and how we think and approach our world around us.
One cannot say that about the Islamic world.
Sep 17th 2015, 7:13 am
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Re: EU migrant crisis
id agree that would result in a better shot at a more permanent and stable change but i think if we didn't **** around it could be done in 10 years. Then again all that aid and development money has to go missing somewhere so maybe allow 15 years so that that and all associated riches can be stolen in the 1st five.
Sep 17th 2015, 9:05 am
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Except you can't (in modern times) in certain places because dominant aspects of their culture are inviolate.
Sep 17th 2015, 10:18 am
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Re: EU migrant crisis
deemed to be inviolate by the very bloody problem people. i'm not convinced everyone in shit holes believes that then again maybe they do and that's why it never changes