shiva

whilst i can see what people are getting at it totally ignores the actual reality.

3.5 million kids were evacuated and relocated in the UK that's just as an aside.

There was 1 single state run military system to join to fight 1 unified enemy in the Uk during WW2.

I started to add up the different factions in Syria and gave up, so here's a ridiculous wiki link listing them all instead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rian_Civil_War

Ba'athist Syria and allies

Syria Syrian government forces
Syrian Armed Forces
National Defence Force
Jaysh al-Sha'bi
Suqur al-Sahara
Allied armed groups:

Liwa Abu al-Fadhal al-Abbas[1]
Badr Organization[2]
Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq[2]
Kata'ib Hezbollah[3]
Peace Companies[4]
PFLP–GC[5]
Syrian Social Nationalist Party[6]
Jaysh al-Muwahhideen[6]
Forces of Abu Ibrahim[7]
Liwa Fatemiyoun[8]
Palestine Liberation Army[9]
Syrian Resistance [10]
Ba'ath Brigades[11]
Fatah al-Intifada[12]
Liwa Al Quds
Arab Democratic Party[13]
Houthis[14]
RPLP-F[15]
Patriotic Party (Turkey)[16]
Mavros Krinos
Sootoro
Arab Nationalist Guard[17]
Liwa Dhu al-Fiqar[18][19]
Jaysh al-Wafaa[20]
Faylak Wa’ad al-Sadiq[21]
al-Berri clan[22][23]
Tayy tribe militias[24]
al-Jihesh tribe militias[25]
Maghawir Forces[26]
Kata'ib Sayyid al-Shuhada
Popular Committees (2012)
Syria Slavonic Corps[27][28] (2013)
InfoboxHez.PNG Hezbollah[29]
Iran[30][31][32]

Quds Force[33]
Basij[34][35][36]
Revolutionary Guards[37]


Syrian Opposition, al-Qaeda network and allies

Free Syrian Army
Southern Front
Syria Revolutionaries Front
Jarabulus Brigade
Al-Qassas Army
Liwa Thuwwar al-Raqqa[55]
Jihad in the Path of God Brigade[56]
Dawn of Freedom Brigades
Northern Sun Battalion[57]
Knights of Justice Brigade
Thuwar al-Sham Battalions[58]
Homs/Hama Liberation Movement[59][60]
Shields of the Revolution Council
Falcons of al-Ghab
101st Division
13th Division
16th Division[61][62]
46th Division[63][64]
111th Division[65][66]
Jabhat Ansar al-Islam
Falcons of Mount Zawiya Brigade
1st Infantry Brigade
1st Coastal Division
al-Rahman Legion
Farouq Brigades
New Syrian Forces (30th Division)[67][68]
Allied armed groups:

Islamic Front
Ahrar ash-Sham
Jaysh al-Islam
Al-Tawhid Brigade
Al-Fawj al-Awal[69]
Northern Storm Brigade
Ansar al-Sham
Junud al-Sham
Abu Amara Battalions[70]
Abu Jaafar Battalion[70]
Liwa al-Fatah[71]
Liwa Usud al-Jadoor[72]
Army of Mujahedeen
Authenticity and Development Front
Jaysh Usud al-Sharqiya
Harakat Nour al-Din al-Zenki
Fastaqim Kama Umirt
Ajnad al-Sham Islamic Union[73]
Sham Legion[74]
Criterion Brigades
Mustafa Martyrs Brigade
Syrian Turkmen Brigades
Sultan Murad Brigade
Sultan Mohamed Fatah Brigade
Muslim Brotherhood of Syria[75]
Hamas[76][77]



Kurdish self-administration and allies

Kurdish Supreme Committee
People's Protection Units Flag.svg People's Protection Units (YPG)
YPJ Flag.svg Women's Protection Units (YPJ)
Asayish[130]
Self-Defence Forces (HXP)[131]
Allied armed groups:

Kurdistan Workers' Party [132]
People's Defence Forces
Yekîtî Party
International Freedom Battalion
MLKP [133]
TİKKO
United Liberation Forces
(tr:Birleşik Özgürlük Güçleri)[134]
MLSPB-Devrim Cephesi
Reconstrucción Comunista
Euphrates Volcano
Jabhat al-Akrad
Northern Sun Battalion[57]
Liwa al-Tawhid
Al-Qassas Army
Jarabulus Brigade
Liwa Thuwwar al-Raqqa
Jihad in the Path of God Brigade
Jaysh al-Thuwar[135][136]
Jaish al-Salam[80]
TKP-Kivilcim
Devrimci Karargah
Social Revolt (Sosyal İsyan)
Arab Tribes
Jaysh Al-Sanadeed [137]
Sharabiyya tribe militias
Zubayd tribe militias[138]
Iraqi Kurdistan

Peshmerga
Syriac Union Party

Syriac Military Council (MFS)[139]
Sutoro[140]
Khabour Guards



Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant and allies
Yarmouk Martyrs Brigade[149][150] (allegedly)[151]
Jaysh al-Jihad [152



just about the only option open to all syrians not currently in ISIS held areas is to not join ISIS.


As i say i can understand the sentiment of "why not stay and fight" but its a bit more complicated than that and at this stage any definition of a good side or the good guys is impossible as there simply isnt a good side anymore

scot47

Daily Mail readers like to see History and Current Affairs through their imagined collective experiences in the Blitz.

shiraz1

Given their support for the side dropping the bombs it's a little odd.
Although Dacres father was a draft dodger, he's always a bit overkeen when it comes to WWII

mikewot

shiva

Pretty much but all armed to the teeth with modern weaponry and 2000 more years of accumulated hatred.

Cluster **** doesn't come close.

DXBtoDOH

Wow.

That didn't last long, did it?

Refugee crisis: Germany to reinstate border checks with Austria | World news | The Guardian

Headline:Refugee crisis: Germany to reinstate border checks with Austria
Train traffic from Austria halted as emergency measures include sending extra police to Bavaria and allowing entry to Germany only with a valid passport

Paging Frau Merkel, paging Frau Merkel, paging Frau Merkel....

Buried inside the article is this passage:

Greek authorities, meanwhile, say 28 people have drowned, half of them children, after their wooden smuggling boat capsized in the Aegean sea.

Regardless of what one's personal views on the subject is, we certainly all agree that we're witnessing an astonishing event unfold in front of our eyes. All aspects of human nature, good and bad, is going to be sorely tested in a way that hasn't happened in the Western world since WWII.

Millhouse

Tear gas has finally been used. I'm surprised it took this long.

Bahtatboy

Didn't Angela stop to think that among those thousands coming in there were, with almost certainly, some with the intention of mischief. One huge Trojan Horse hiding in plain sight.

DXBtoDOH

What really are the reasonable options with the migrants?

Full lockdown and retreat into Fortress Europe mode or open the floodgates?

A compromise between the two seems unlikely in the short run because how do you document and register the migrants/refugees on a timely and patient basis, with proper assessment of need and risk? And then allocate them in the various countries that's "fair"? Merkel's initial announcement has only encouraged hundreds of thousands, even millions, more to start attempting the crossing. By the time a solution is achieved we're looking at the prospect of several million migrants flooding into the sacred soils of Europe.

The only silver lining I see is that the longer this impasse goes on, exposing the EU fully as the dysfunctional dictatorship it really is, the much more likely the UK will vote to leave the EU.

I know I'm going to get bitchslapped by certain posters for saying this but if you know your history you'll know about the barbarian hordes at the frontiers of the Roman Empire and the Romans initially accepted the tribes and tried to accommodate them, thinking that exposure to civilisation would transform them. But it didn't work out very well, did it? It happened over a long period and it makes me wonder if we're starting to see a similar process happen?

shiva

Given the number of Europeans who have joined Isis it's probably safe to say they are already in Europe and have been for some time. No need to send in converts when they are already there. What I'm sure more than a few will do is to try and sneak back in now they are on various lists

norsk

Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. Inequality is so great and so many countries in the world are ****ed up and dominated by war, oppression, injustice and so on. If the doors to the flow are opened, in my opinion they stay open forever. You cannot close them again. US are spared from this particular migration incident, but they have the same exact situation with people from all manner of places in Latin and South America.

The Schengen area of free movement is already finished as an experiment in my opinion. When you start closing borders that is the end of it. I'm not sure EU as a concept will disappear, but this situation may force some changes. It was always a case of being too much in the middle. Europe wanted to 'replicate' the US, but didn't have the balls to go all the way which meant we ended up with half-baked attempt.

The migrant problem has to be solved at source, but how to do that?

US/UK++ have invaded enough shit-holes over the last 25 years to 'save' the citizens to know that the current strategy doesn't work. You can't kick the current despot off the throne, walk out the door and expect the previously oppressed to fix the place up. They are as ****ed up as the despot were. Multiple chips on shoulders! My opinion (and this is by no way PC) is that history tells us that the only solution is to invade, colonise and never leave! And never grow a conscience (like Great Britain did when they started handing independence back to colonies)..

Let the flaming begin...

mikewot

What happened to your forbears when they did that? I think the Vikings got assimilated ;-)

norsk

True, but it was part of a larger disaster happening everywhere: Christianity...

shiva

invade, rule, install functioning state apparatus, load democracy, oversee elections, **** off asap

norsk

That's almost of what has been tried, tested and repeatedly in the last 25 years. I guess they didn't go far enough in terms of ruling and implementing democracy of course.

Anyway why **** off? If Europe is overrun with migrants by then I'm sure a lot of people would be happy to ship off to a slightly better climate...