themajor

Now now children. Stop throwing the toys out of the pram

Grayling

That's Bud for you....he has been trolling this part of the forum for years....the same old stuff over and over again....he then gets pissed off if anyone challenges him

Strange how some people amuse themselves isn't it?

formula

If people have a good degree from a good university, then they will get a graduate type job. These are the type of UK educated international students the UK now keeps by making it easier for them to get a job. The UK now make it harder for the ones that no employer wants as a graduate, to stay.

If they got a degree outside the UK then they will need expereince as well as a good degree to get a visa. It will get harder for these as it looks like the UK is looking a raising the minimum salary required for a work visa and not allowing their dependants to work.

If an EEA citizen who got a degree outside the UK, they too will need a good degree with lots of expereince to be offered a graduate job in the UK. The ones doing with a degree doing low skilled work often find their degree isn't worth the paper it is written on.

Giantaxe

Says the person who introduced Beeching and the Romans into this thread

Bud the Wiser

Whooooooooooshhh. 'twas nowt but a touch of humour, do lighten up. ,

Anyway, how can I take what you post seriously when, according to some, you have to actually live in England to have an opinion about the place .

C'est la vie.

Actually, I do take on board your comments, I just don't agree with all of them.

P.S. I still maintain the general principal of the OP, in that mass uncontrolled immigration is putting tremendous strain on the infrastructure and services. Not all the fault of immigration, and in some cases, such as the NHS, not the primary cause, but it certainly adds to the burden.

That's all I've been trying to say. Simples.

Editha

Actually Bud, living in 'the sunshine state' does put you at a disadvantage when commenting on the state of Britain's infrastructure.

For example, just at this moment, I'm having breakfast in a hotel overlooking the Thames, courtesy of a TV company. I travelled into London yesterday, using a transport infrastructure that seemed to be working fine to me. I'm being served by waiters, who from their complexions and accents, are all immigrants, as was the taxi driver I who brought me here. They don't appear to be 'putting a strain on infrastructure and services'; in fact they appear to be the infrastructure and services.

Shard

To be fair to Bud, it's fairly widely acknowledged by the politicians that the schools and health services are currently strained by the increased immigration. Whether that means pulling up the drawbridge or building more services is a different argument.

themajor

Everyone on here has there own oppinions. Thats healthy. However what ever we say it all boils down to the fact the our tiny Island of Great Britain is full to bursting. Not enough beds in Hospitals, not enough Dr's or nurses, not enough schools, not enough housing. So what has caused all this.
Simple realy..Too many people and the fact is that it is all down to mass immigration.

There that is my oppinion.

Shard

Why is your opinion not, "we aren't building enough hospitals and schools"? There's plenty of space on this small island; its not mountainous in the way Japan is for instance. Even in the SE there is plenty of space for new buildings (not that I think it should be used when there are even more vast tracts up north).

themajor

Troll?

Shard

No thanks, I already had a few for breakfast.

You could stop to think about your flimsy position when asked though. Whether it belies a general misunderstanding on population growth or is just gut xenophobia.

Bipat

While I agree that border controls and an immigration programme are very necessary. I think you have chosen a wrong example!!
There are not enough doctors and nurses because not enough are being trained in the UK. Since the 1940s, the NHS has too long relied on saving money by recruiting overseas staff. A point not often mentioned is that the children of nurses and doctors often also train to become doctors and nurses, the statistics don't take this into account.

Figures show extent of NHS reliance on foreign nationals | Society | The Guardian

Shard

Plus quite a number of British doctors and nurses vacating these shores for sunnier or snowier climes.

themajor

If the population was several million less then there would be enough beds,dr's,nurses,teachers,schools, etc etc. Just think back in time before all the MILLIONS of imigrants came here. Remember how we saw the Dr when we went the surgery, we did not have to make an appointment. Remember how when you were refered to a Consultant you saw him within a few days not several months. Remember when the school class rooms were only 12-15 pupils per lesson. The schools of nursing had waiting lists. All before the MILLIONS of immigrants came. Whem accident and Emergency was what it was for and not for patients who cannot get to see the Dr. remember when there was FREE dental care for everyone.

Bipat

As I have said above I agree that stricter controls are necessary but if I may say so the sort of exaggeration in your post is liable to cause ill feeling against 'immigrants', now British, who have and still do, work hard for the UK. Net migration per year is in thousands not millions.
What is your solution? Deport those foreign born???

(Many of the problems of the NHS are because there is so much more that can be done now in medicine and dentistry and it all costs time and money---Although a great many advances and innovations have been due to research and work by immigrants!!!!)