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Is the situation in the UK really that bad?

Old Feb 3rd 2014, 8:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser View Post

I did read somewhere that the 'Liverpool care pathway' had been terminated or at least was under review.
The 'Liverpool care pathway' is an approach to treatment adopted worldwide. It was developed in Liverpool but has since been used extensively in many countries. it is not restricted to the UK and it is not a geographical description.....at least talk about something you understand

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Old Feb 3rd 2014, 8:56 pm
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Default Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?

Originally Posted by Grayling View Post
The 'Liverpool care pathway' is an approach to treatment adopted worldwide. It was developed in Liverpool but has since been used extensively. it is not restricted to the UK and it is not a geographical description.....at least get your facts right
You're clutching at straws and trying to point score. Nowhere did I say it was restricted to the UK, nor did I refer to it as a geographical description.

Obviously there are concerns about it in the UK or there wouldn't have been independent reviews.

http://www.mariecurie.org.uk/en-GB/C...-care-pathway/
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Old Feb 3rd 2014, 8:59 pm
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You're clutching at straws and trying to point score.
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Old Feb 3rd 2014, 10:18 pm
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Originally Posted by old.sparkles View Post
The GP surgery we left in the UK would only let you make an appt on the day you were calling. To get an appt on the day involved ringing repeatedly once the phone lines opened at 08.15. If by the time you got through there were no appts left that day, you still couldn't book an appt for the following day - just try again at 0815 the following morning. Rinse and repeat until either you got lucky and got through in time, or you got better - or you got so sick you ended up in hospital
My SIL tells me exactly the same thing, almost to the letter. I believe there is a clinic that she could go to that would give you something to 'tide' you over and tell you to try again for a doctors appointment, or tell you to go to the ER. Berks/Bucks border.

Do GP's do home visits still? I can recall several times having the doctor around at our house and even going to his/her private residence. Once even had him out on Christmas day as my two year old went into some sort of shock with over excitement. Bless him

Slough by the way, is one of the few places in the UK where I felt uncomfortable walking around in the daylight.
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Default Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?

Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser View Post
My SIL tells me exactly the same thing, almost to the letter. I believe there is a clinic that she could go to that would give you something to 'tide' you over and tell you to try again for a doctors appointment, or tell you to go to the ER. Berks/Bucks border.

Do GP's do home visits still? I can recall several times having the doctor around at our house and even going to his/her private residence. Once even had him out on Christmas day as my two year old went into some sort of shock with over excitement. Bless him

Slough by the way, is one of the few places in the UK where I felt uncomfortable walking around in the daylight.
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Old Feb 3rd 2014, 10:29 pm
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When I was in England last year I had a couple of things which needed attention. I made three appointments with a GP practice in Cambridgeshire and ech time I was seen the same day within a few hours.

I also had to go to an Emergency department in Mansfield and was seen within half an hour and saw a specialist the same afternoon with a follow up in a couple of days.

When I lived in Derbyshire our GP practice had a policy of same day appointments guaranteed.

Three different places...all excellent service.

Seems some people are just unlucky.
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When I was in England last year I had a couple of things which needed attention. I made three appointments with a GP practice in Cambridgeshire and ech time I was seen the same day within a few hours.

I also had to go to an Emergency department in Mansfield and was seen within half an hour and saw a specialist the same afternoon with a follow up in a couple of days.

When I lived in Derbyshire our GP practice had a policy of same day appointments guaranteed.

Three different places...all excellent service.

Seems some people are just unlucky.
So why the inconsistencies between the quality of service in different parts of the country? Surely, if it is indeed a national service, there should be, a best only minor discrepancies in the quality of care. Luck should not come into providing a national health care service.
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Old Feb 3rd 2014, 10:43 pm
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Default Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?

Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser View Post
So why the inconsistencies between the quality of service in different parts of the country? Surely, if it is indeed a national service, there should be, a best only minor discrepancies in the quality of care. Luck should not come into providing a national health care service.
I have never found the inconsistency....have you or are you just repeating anecdotes that suit your agenda.

I also worked for the health service, in several places, and never saw any inconsistency.

My mother lived in Oxford until she died last year and her GP regularly visited her at home......things are a lot bett than you seem to like to portray them
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Default Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?

Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser View Post
So why the inconsistencies between the quality of service in different parts of the country? Surely, if it is indeed a national service, there should be, a best only minor discrepancies in the quality of care. Luck should not come into providing a national health care service.
I presume individual GPs have a reasonable amount of autonomy in how they run their practices. Having said that, allowing appointment scheduling for the current day only seems gratuitously unhelpful for patients.
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Old Feb 3rd 2014, 10:53 pm
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I presume individual GPs have a reasonable amount of autonomy in how they run their practices. Having said that, allowing appointment scheduling for the current day only seems gratuitously unhelpful for patients.
They do......they are, effectively, independent practitioners.
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I have never found the inconsistency....have you or are you just repeating anecdotes that suit your agenda.

I also worked for the health service, in several places, and never saw any inconsistency.

My mother lived in Oxford until she died last year and her GP regularly visited her at home......things are a lot bett than you seem to like to portray them
Thanks for reassuring me that GP home visits are still part of national health care.

The inconsistencies are well documented. I try not to portray any thing other than what anyone else can access with a bit of research. You can't ignore what happened at mid-staffs for example.
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Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser View Post

The inconsistencies are well documented. I try not to portray any thing other than what anyone else can access with a bit of research. You can't ignore what happened at mid-staffs for example.
There have been healthcare scandals across the world. Selective focussing on them does not give the true picture in any country....we have had issues here in Australia and I am sure they have also happened in America.

Do you want us to start googling them?
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I am sure they have also happened in America.
Just the odd one or two
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Just the odd one or two
The reason why the NHS comes under such scrutiny is because of it's nature as a political football.....just look at the focus on problems in the NHS in America promoted by the opponents of Obamacare...as a dire warning of what might happen.

Just take the example of MRSA....we were given the impression that it was solely a UK problem....It was quietly overlooked that is was a worldwide problem just as prevalent in countries like the US and Australia and many more
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The reason why the NHS comes under such scrutiny is because of it's nature as a political football.....just look at the focus on problems in the NHS in America promoted by the opponents of Obamacare...as a dire warning of what might happen.

Just take the example of MRSA....we were given the impression that it was solely a UK problem....It was quietly overlooked that is was a worldwide problem just as prevalent in countries like the US and Australia and many more
Spot on.

Stephen Hawking would have died under the NHS
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