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Old Feb 26th 2010, 6:28 am
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Originally Posted by jasper123
Hi Ed, yes the accent does kind of pull us down a bit over there, all us expats have that problem over there, we just sound so different, we cant try and pronounce our words like the Brits we would have to concentrate too much, and do we even really want to?
No, I do not believe I would want to, my accent is part of who I am, and part of who I was. I cannot change the past but I hope they will see through the accent and the age and see what I can offer employers.

I am still seething, not that I was not offered the position but the sneaky way they can get away with elimating those that do not fit their corporate image.
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Hi Ed, yes the accent does kind of pull us down a bit over there, all us expats have that problem over there, we just sound so different, we cant try and pronounce our words like the Brits we would have to concentrate too much, and do we even really want to?
The first time I left England to emigrate to Melbourne Australia was 1965, I was 19 and pipe smoking Harold Wilson from the labour party was the prime minister, remember him? well at that time in Britain it was a very socialistic
country, remember? british gas, british electricity, british water board, british telecom, the government controlled and ran all utilities etc etc, OH and lets not forget british rail, well the system to me at that tender age felt almost like communism with the difference that we did have freedom in that we could travel outside the country and even emigrate to another country, so I did,
and I really could not wait to get out of there,
then later I emigrated to Canada and that to me was a great place to live,
When I finally came to live in USA in 1977 ----- this way of life that was so different to UK suited me to a T, everything about the life here excited me, and right away I knew that I would fit in here just fine, I have had my ups and downs like everyone here on this thread but I love the life here,
So why am I going back to England? in a nutshell ------ my Mum, thats it, now I am being honest with everyone here, I have no love loss for England, my home is America, and my birthplace and the place where I was raised and went to school is England,
I need to spend time with my Mum before she passes on, and I hope she lives another 10 years or more till she's 100 or more and I will stay over there till the very end, and at that time when my Mum passes on and if I am still alive then I will probably come back to America or who knows I may even be so used to UK by then and got into the lifestyle more and who knows even have friends, for the first time in my life I may even find that I even like living there, and in that case I would probably just stay there,
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But life is great you know, no matter what happens to us all we all need to keep our hopes up, and keep our spirits up, and never loose the passion for life,
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Originally Posted by Easterndawn
No, I do not believe I would want to, my accent is part of who I am, and part of who I was. I cannot change the past but I hope they will see through the accent and the age and see what I can offer employers.

I am still seething, not that I was not offered the position but the sneaky way they can get away with elimating those that do not fit their corporate image.
Ed I know you are still seething, and of course you are hurting, so would I be if that happened to me, and your right our accents are a part of who we are, so of course we must keep them,
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Ed, I still feel bad for you, it was on my mind all day, I realise you will never know the truth, of course we can all asume what may have happened.
The age issue had come up in my mind before you went for the interview, I figured they wouldnt be giving you the interview unless they were truly interested in you, maybe I was wrong, maybe they like applicants of all ages to keep someone happy, As I said earlier its their loss, you have so much to offer in my opinion, Id want you working for me, Why not hire you and see how you do, what did they have to lose? FOOLS, That's the trouble with the younger generation, they haven't had life experience, they lack wisdom, its not their fault, but it is a bad situation for us with our future in their hands.

I feel bad that we were so sure the job was yours, I think our hopes and expectations maybe have added to your disappointment, be sure that not everyone in the UK is so narrow minded and see's the value in a wise mature employee.

20 years ago while in the UK I applied for a job in Retail management, At that point Id had 12 years in retail, Right there and then I was told with my experience I had the job, I was told to wait for a phone call for future training, the store was 4 months from opening, time went by, I tried numerous times to contact the person who had interviewed me, (My future boss) I was told he would call me but he didn't return my calls, the location opened without me, My future boss had only 6 years in the trade, I later thought I may have been a threat to him, who knows. I sat there jobless for 4months waiting for a job that never came. Huhhhh...

Rodney was right about age, 20 years ago when I went back they discriminated over age, in the want ads they would ask for car salemen between 18 and 25, I was 33 and knew it was pointless answering the ad.

I also know the "Yank" accent did me no favors when I was job hunting, and just 8 miles from where I was born, People do discriminate its just a fact of life, I think we have to use the accent to our advantage, I know it fascinates some people.

I have to agree with a previous poster that said something better will come along, I sure hope that's true in your case Ed, I truly believe things happen for a good reason.

I really like the idea of working for a temp agency, my sister landed a couple of jobs that way, It seems like an easy way in.
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Hello Trottytrue.

I was disappointed to read your post #1634 were you told us your plans to return to the UK have changed, I feel sad for you especially as you started this wonderful thread, I sure hope your Husband is OK, I commend you as I think you are doing the right thing, as we get older things do get more difficult, I want to return to the UK, I'm 53 and at my age it seems like a large challenge/project, I keep telling myself to look at everything as small steps, the big picture is very so overwhelming.

My Mother had mini strokes so I can certainly understand the reason for your decision, up to that point I was trying to convince my parents to return to the UK.

I know its rude to ask age but I'm guessing you are close to your husbands age and thinking you are in Canada, Please correct me if I'm wrong, How long since you emigrated from the UK?

I think your advice is first class, we never know what is around the corner, that is so true.

Thursday was a day of disappointment, lets have a Great Friday.

Good Luck Dear Lady.
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I recieved an e-mail from HSBC telling me that I was not being offered a positon at their HSBC centre in Hamilton. I was so surprised and shocked that I called them as per their e-mail to find out what had gone wrong in the interview. The answer to the question was that I had "failed the role playing part of the interview", I have never heard anything so stupid in my whole life and told them so. When I asked about the other parts of the interview I was informed that I had sailed through everything else.

I have called their head office in England and I am currently waiting to hear back from them in regards to this matter. I am no longer interested in working for the company but feel that failing an interview because of this "roll playing part" is demoralizing and very unecassary for the hiring of the position.

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I'm so sorry to hear you didn't get the job ED. This role playing seems to reign supreme when it comes to jobs in call centres. I have been for quite a few jobs with agencies in my time and these stupid "games" always come into it. This was in Oz BTW.

And you are right, most who work in call centres are in their 20's or 30's, not so many older people on the whole.

I actually hated my few stints working in call centres doing temp work.

Something better is just around the corner for you ED. Just keep applying for everything, it's just a numbers game at the end of the day.

BTW I do not have my DOB on my CV, nor do I ever give my age at interviews - I have done this for YEARS - nobody is allowed to ask you anyways - so there!!!!!!

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We started this thread to give all those over 50 insights on why some of us wanted to go back home and the good and bad of it. You have see that some make it back and our very happy, a few have gone home and thought it was a mistake, others who have wanted to sell property have finally sold it others are still waiting.
I am going to give you another reason why those of you on the fence need to make your mind up and decide one way or the other before its too late. Age. This is relative to those over 50's and 60's and whose husband maybe quite a few years older than you.

I have come to the conclusion and the reality that I will not be going home. Sometimes its just not possible no matter how much you want it and there is nobody wanted more than me, from almost the first few years I was here.
If you are like me you kept putting it off either because others didnt want to do it at that time or you thought it would not be good for your family. Well I did all those things and now I am at the point where I know I cannot go. My husband is 74 and although he does not have some awful illness his age has finally caught up with him and I see him fading. Not able to do what he did let alone make a move to the UK. We where at the hospital last night and they think he might be having mini strokes but they are not sure. to put him through all the mental and physical issues that moving would bring would just not be fair.

I never thought I would be in this position but I am. I dont know what my next move will be but I am afraid at the moment selling my house and moving home will not be my top priorty. I have to put my husband first.

So as I have said before don't sit on the fence, make a decision one way or the other.

I will continue to post and if I find things helpful to you I will post them and I will read with interest postings by those of you who do make it back home.
I'm so sorry to hear of your husbands ill health TT. Wishing you all the very best and am heart felt sorry that you are not able to move, but as you say his health is the most important thing in your life right now. Take care.
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Denise your right about Canada being much more forward thinking on that issue, and so is USA at my Job there are many people in there late 60,s and 70,s there is also a man and a woman over 80 where I work, all full time employees, the longest time anyone of these people have been working there is 4 years, so my point is these are not people that joined the company like 30 years ago when they were way younger, so over in USA just like Canada age is not an issue, I think it all boils down to this, both the UK and Canada and USA have Anti age discrimination laws in place, and USA & Canada companies in the past have been taken to court and sued on a wide scale, and the courts here in our countries tend to side with the person that was discriminated against and so the companies over in north America are quite scared not to hire a qualified older person, where in U.K I may be wrong but just going on what my family over there have told me over the years that companies over there seem to most always get away with it, the courts there I think are mostly siding with the companies that discriminate, so I think that unlike North America the U.K. does not enforce the age discrimination law, and as far back as I can remember when I was younger and used to work over there it has always been the same, and heres an example that I have just thought of, the last time I was in the UK was only 5 years ago for a 3 week holiday, and I know the UK has had the age anti discrimiation law for a lot longer then that, for many years, and anyhow I always read the local newspaper in Portsmouth that my Mum has delivered every day, and I always for interest sake look at the classified job listings and I have always noticed that so many of the companies when advertising say this ----- prefer applicants to be between 25 to 35, ---- now my point is that in North America ever since I have been here 36 years I have NEVER EVER seen that in a job ad, thats the difference you see, the UK has a completely different idea of what makes a good employee, ----- the older you are the more experience you have in your field so that alone makes a whole lot of sense to employers over here, and then of course they also quite rightly take into consideration that in most cases older people are more reliable in that they show up for work every day unless they are extremely sick, and they dont believe in going from one job to another, they find a job they like and they stay put,
I dont work in a store but think of all the times you have walked into any Walmart over here in North America anywhere you go, notice how many people there are in there 60,s & 70,s that work in there stores, now this is my point, Walmart is the very biggest retail giant in the whole of the world, and they hire all these hard working reliable older people, from so many ethnic groups it sometimes looks like the united nations,
But in the UK it seems to me that the majority of all large companies look at one thing and one thing only, say just for an example a firm is looking for only one person to fill the job opening, and only two people apply for the job both on the same day, now they both have equal qualifications for that position, one is 25 and the other is 55, now the company chooses the 25 year old, and there sole reasoning for there decision is that they can get there pound of flesh from the younger one, if he or she works out and stays with the company they can get maybe 30 years service from the person right up until they reach the what they look at as the over the hill age of 55,at that point the company would make the decision to put the old horse out to graze and offer a small severance package and say cheerio, and then turn around and replace the old horse with a nice young new one of the age of 25,and so the cycle starts all over again,
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PS so sorry everyone but sometimes I do go on dont I, will have to try and keep my posts shorter in future,
Ha Ha, Rodney, it's good to get other people's viewpoints I feel!

And you are so right about the employers not taking into consideration the stability and sheer work ethic of the older employee.

At my last job in Oz our boss actually didn't want to take on any more younger staff because of their attitude, though of course he was not allowed to say this in ads, etc.

We had guys and girls that just didn't turn up for work because they had been out partying the night before, one young guy went AWOL for 3 days - said he had been away and was out of phone range , another girl just never came back anymore left her personal belongings in her desk nobody ever heard from her again!

The final one (last straw?) was the guy who resigned by text (!!!) and he never showed up for work ever again either.

In my case when I was leaving to come back here, I gave in a month's notice and worked it. Bit of a difference to the young 'uns!!

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Hello everyone I thought I would pass this info onto you all.....last year I spent 2 long months digitizing all my photos and slides, all those old dusty unorganized albums and slide wheels are now all gone out into the garbage. I bought a slide scanner and regular printer/scanner/copier and went to work. Many of the old photos that were faded or scratched I was able to bring back to life, actually saving them from a slow death. By the time I was finished I had copied over 5000 photos, now they are all sorted in specific folders i.e. date/trip/year/family over a hundred different folders. I have made multiple backups onto DVDs' external hard drives etc. I have copied them onto a memory stick and placed it in my safety deposit box in case the house burnt down, I even have them all on my ipod so that at any one time I could show someone that special memory and in very short order. To me this was a win-win situation...photos are restored and safe and best of all we don't have to lug all those heavy albums etc. when we move next year. Furthermore at the present moment I'm digitizing all my old personal videos ..all those bulky vhs and 8mm tapes that too only have a short shelf life....

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The first time I left England to emigrate to Melbourne Australia was 1965, I was 19 and pipe smoking Harold Wilson from the labour party was the prime minister, remember him? well at that time in Britain it was a very socialistic
country, remember? british gas, british electricity, british water board, british telecom, the government controlled and ran all utilities etc etc, OH and lets not forget british rail, well the system to me at that tender age felt almost like communism with the difference that we did have freedom in that we could travel outside the country and even emigrate to another country, so I did,
and I really could not wait to get out of there,
then later I emigrated to Canada and that to me was a great place to live,
When I finally came to live in USA in 1977 ----- this way of life that was so different to UK suited me to a T, everything about the life here excited me, and right away I knew that I would fit in here just fine, I have had my ups and downs like everyone here on this thread but I love the life here,
So why am I going back to England? in a nutshell ------ my Mum, thats it, now I am being honest with everyone here, I have no love loss for England, my home is America, and my birthplace and the place where I was raised and went to school is England,
I need to spend time with my Mum before she passes on, and I hope she lives another 10 years or more till she's 100 or more and I will stay over there till the very end, and at that time when my Mum passes on and if I am still alive then I will probably come back to America or who knows I may even be so used to UK by then and got into the lifestyle more and who knows even have friends, for the first time in my life I may even find that I even like living there, and in that case I would probably just stay there,
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But life is great you know, no matter what happens to us all we all need to keep our hopes up, and keep our spirits up, and never loose the passion for life,
I like your last statement, Rodney. Feeling down myself today. Not sure if you can all join me in Malta after all! Now I am really being negative, but my house hasn't sold yet, and I don't know if I can even afford to leave it empty now. Still have flight booked for March 24, I hope the fact that I got a return trip (cheaper that way) doesn't mean I am cursed to come back end April. I have already given in notice at work, sold some items, shipped stuff to the UK..........plan A is falling apart, and I have no plan B yet. Help!! How come so many of us are not getting where we want to be yet??
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Hi Everyone, Well, had a much better day today, went to the Open Day at Holiday Haven near Dunure, Ayrshire. Used to be the old Butlins Camp way back. They had busses running out to the holiday camp for free, so many young people that I wondered on the trip out there if I was jsut wasting my time, but decided to persevere. Filled out application for Reception and Resturant Supervisor. Waited to be seen at the Reception interview table, was interviewed by the front end Manager. Thank goodness I had taken to the time to do some homework on the company, by reading about them on internet. The first question was, what did I know about Holiday Haven, the interview only got better from there. He told me at the end of the interview that he was very interested in me and will be calling me on Tuesday to speak with me on phone and then will have me to come back to talk with him and see the site. The interview ended on a very positive note, as he even wrote down his personal number so that I can reach him if I have any questions before Tuesday. I decided to continue on to the resturant position. The questions were similiar to the other interview but geared to resturant work, I told her that I almost did not come as so many young people there, she said she actually preferred to hire mature workers as they do a much better job and are always there on time. So again ended on a positive note. Just as I was leaving the resturant job interview table, she introduced me to the chief and another manager who asked me what my accent was, told him I was born in Ayr, but had spent some time in Canada, he said he loved my accent and hopes to hear more of it.

Left there feeling much better about myself and my abilitiies. The job would start in march and would last till November.

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Ed, Thats wonderful. youve made my day.

If its meant to be it will happen for you.

See how you are, Negative news one day and you go out the next for an Interview, Nothing can keep you down.
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This all sounds great! It certainly appears that you're in with a super chance -yeah
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Hi Everyone, Well, had a much better day today, went to the Open Day at Holiday Haven near Dunure, Ayrshire. Used to be the old Butlins Camp way back. They had busses running out to the holiday camp for free, so many young people that I wondered on the trip out there if I was jsut wasting my time, but decided to persevere. Filled out application for Reception and Resturant Supervisor. Waited to be seen at the Reception interview table, was interviewed by the front end Manager. Thank goodness I had taken to the time to do some homework on the company, by reading about them on internet. The first question was, what did I know about Holiday Haven, the interview only got better from there. He told me at the end of the interview that he was very interested in me and will be calling me on Tuesday to speak with me on phone and then will have me to come back to talk with him and see the site. The interview ended on a very positive note, as he even wrote down his personal number so that I can reach him if I have any questions before Tuesday. I decided to continue on to the resturant position. The questions were similiar to the other interview but geared to resturant work, I told her that I almost did not come as so many young people there, she said she actually preferred to hire mature workers as they do a much better job and are always there on time. So again ended on a positive note. Just as I was leaving the resturant job interview table, she introduced me to the chief and another manager who asked me what my accent was, told him I was born in Ayr, but had spent some time in Canada, he said he loved my accent and hopes to hear more of it.

Left there feeling much better about myself and my abilitiies. The job would start in march and would last till November.
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I like the sound of the Butlins one ED..it sounds like this could be a very interesting job

I only just went back to read your post Trottytrue and am sad that your husband is not in good health and that you will not be able to come to Uk after all

AES1 I hope that you can overcome this week too..whats going on with your house that you cant afford to leave it empty ..will you have to find full time work and stay there or what?

All my legal paperwork is now signed and I must wait now for the final financing condition to be removed which is March 3rd next Wednesday..after that I will finally be able to say its sold..hopefully sooner..

My boss saw my notice yesterday. He came to see me and was great about it and said he would personally write the reference himself ha ha we had a good laugh about travelling and he said he would like to see the Pyramids before he dies too! so it was all ok and I felt good that another tricky part was over.I will feel I am on solid ground by Wednesday and in the meantime just packing, throwing out and selling
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Taffy, Photo Copying, A Great subject.

I Love Music and Photo's, they put me in a time and a place.

I have boxes of photos, I intend to do the same thing as you making numerous copies, DVD's, Ipod and external drives, you cant be too careful and they mean so much to me. My parents recently passed and I have all of their photos too, some of there's are Very old, truly irreplaceable, those I will duplicate for my sisters on DVD.

I have over 300 LP's, hundreds of 45's and just over 400 CD's, I want to copy all of those too, there is no way I am hauling the LP's and 45's back to the UK Again!. You forget how heavy they are, Some LP's I could replace in CD form but some are not available plus it would cost a small fortune.

I have hundreds of cassettes too, Many are copies of albums/CDs, some are old British radios shows, I have to save the Radio shows, I sometimes listen to my old cassettes when in my garage, its better than most things on the radio these days, I love talk radio but politics seems to have taken over and it gets on my nerves, its always Negative and I have no room for that in my head, Negativity breeds Negativity.

VHS tapes I made myself, Hundreds of those too, I have a VHS to DVD copier, it works well but I have to baby sit it so as to only save what I want, its a very time consuming process with a 6 hour VHS tape.

I'm not super savvy on the computer so I have to learn how to do some of these things, I'm self taught, No kids, First I need to replace my computer, its 7 years old, my DVD has problems and wont make copies, last year I bought a small device that allows me to copy the LP's from my record player to the Computer, its supposed to remove pops an clicks, I hope it works well.

I plan on taking all Photo's and CDs with me, I like the real thing in my hands, maybe I will take a few LP's and 45's too, just because.

The Photo's are the most important, I suppose I should copy those first.

Now you've brought up the subject.

How did you copy the 8 MM film to DVD? I know I could have someone do this for me, is there a way I can do it myself, I just had to clean out my parents home, I found an old 8 mm movie camera and 7 8 mm films, one was taken at my wedding, one at my sisters, I don't even remember my Dad doing this, what a find.

I also have a few of my parents 78's, heavens knows what I will do with those, I cant chuck them away, plus an LP of my Dad playing bugle in his old Colliery band.

MEMORIES..........
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