Moving back to England was a mistake
#151
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Re: Moving back to England was a mistake
Originally posted by goldy
We returned to England after 3 years living in the south of France. It has been a complete nightmare being back here and I'm afraid to say England is not the England that I grew up to know and love.
For those of you planning to return to England after a few years, you don't realise that things here have deteriorated quite markedly while you have been away.
Reasons why we will never live in England again and are already planning our escape:
(1) How much time do we waste stuck in traffic? On the M25? It really is a joke.
(2) We are worried about the safety of our children. You read stories all the time about crime rising. On the news the other day was a feature explaining how crime is alot worse here in most categories than in the USA!
(3) People here are not friendly. Noone offers to help round here anymore - not like back when I was a child. England has become an uptight, cold country where people's only concern is to rush around looking after their own interests.
(4) Illegal immigrants have got out of control and are wanting all sorts of things at the cost of taxpayers.
(5) You spend so long travelling to beaches yet when you get to them most have rubbish, needles and are very unattractive places to visit. Pathetic really.
(6) The weather. For 9 months of the year it's cold and miserable.
(7) Now they're worried about terrorism threats. Bin Laden has named England as a target and my guess is the unthinkable will happen here sooner or later.
(8) Cost of housing is astranomical. For those of you returning to England, you'll be in for a huge shock and will probably have to buy in a crime-infested area.
We returned to England after 3 years living in the south of France. It has been a complete nightmare being back here and I'm afraid to say England is not the England that I grew up to know and love.
For those of you planning to return to England after a few years, you don't realise that things here have deteriorated quite markedly while you have been away.
Reasons why we will never live in England again and are already planning our escape:
(1) How much time do we waste stuck in traffic? On the M25? It really is a joke.
(2) We are worried about the safety of our children. You read stories all the time about crime rising. On the news the other day was a feature explaining how crime is alot worse here in most categories than in the USA!
(3) People here are not friendly. Noone offers to help round here anymore - not like back when I was a child. England has become an uptight, cold country where people's only concern is to rush around looking after their own interests.
(4) Illegal immigrants have got out of control and are wanting all sorts of things at the cost of taxpayers.
(5) You spend so long travelling to beaches yet when you get to them most have rubbish, needles and are very unattractive places to visit. Pathetic really.
(6) The weather. For 9 months of the year it's cold and miserable.
(7) Now they're worried about terrorism threats. Bin Laden has named England as a target and my guess is the unthinkable will happen here sooner or later.
(8) Cost of housing is astranomical. For those of you returning to England, you'll be in for a huge shock and will probably have to buy in a crime-infested area.
It's just not safe for the kids in so many places - it really limits our lifestyle.
#152
Originally posted by ontheball I rest my case.
As for arguing with facts, you seem to miss one important part of that process - presenting ALL the facts and being able to acknowledge and see facts that do not support your argument. Throughout my posts I have presented information that supports both sides. You, on the other hand, hide (from) contradictory facts and do not respond to questions relating to these contradictory "facts" - just one example: go and look back at my earlier post and see the line in red....
Damn it! Hooked again! Why do I do that?
#153
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Originally posted by dunroving
I'll believe it when I see it.
As for arguing with facts, you seem to miss one important part of that process - presenting ALL the facts and being able to acknowledge and see facts that do not support your argument. Throughout my posts I have presented information that supports both sides. You, on the other hand, hide (from) contradictory facts and do not respond to questions relating to these contradictory "facts" - just one example: go and look back at my earlier post and see the line in red....
Damn it! Hooked again! Why do I do that?
I'll believe it when I see it.
As for arguing with facts, you seem to miss one important part of that process - presenting ALL the facts and being able to acknowledge and see facts that do not support your argument. Throughout my posts I have presented information that supports both sides. You, on the other hand, hide (from) contradictory facts and do not respond to questions relating to these contradictory "facts" - just one example: go and look back at my earlier post and see the line in red....
Damn it! Hooked again! Why do I do that?
As for the red line so what? I'm not going to go back into the report to verify it but can easily reply back by saying what I posted earlier:
"Grand total of recorded crimes" - the last year where both countries have a statistic is 1999. The rate per 100,000 for the USA is 8,517 while for England it's 9,766."
#154
Originally posted by ontheball
As for the red line so what?
As for the red line so what?
That typifies your consistent attitude. Whereas people on this site typically are able to acknowledge facts that contradict their argument, you just are unwillng to go there. I've acknowledged the contradictory evidence several times - for example, that the pattern of
prosecuted crimes (i.e., proven in court) in the UN report is not the same as the figures for recorded crimes (i.e., in the police system, before prosecution). No, England is not perfect regarding crimes. Some of the evidence indicates that for some crimes, it is worse than the US. Other evidence (such as the UN survey facts I reported, regarding prosecutions for severe violent crimes) indicates that the US rate for these crimes is 25 times the rate in the U.K. You've never once said "Oh yes, I see, maybe I was wrong when I said the rate of violent crimes is higher in the UK". You just harp on about the parts of the survey that support your assertion that the UK is more violent than the US, and dismiss the other evidence in the same report - see the page numbers in my previous posts as if it doesn't exist.
Since you joined this site, you've spent most of your efforts arguing with and insulting people on this thread. The people you are almost obsessively arguing with post on a whole range of topics, sometimes negatively, sometimes positively, but I'm beginnning to think from your obsessive negativity that you are what Jean said - a troll. I give you less than 6 months before you just disappear and we stop hearing from you.
#155
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Originally posted by dunroving
prosecuted crimes (i.e., proven in court) in the UN report is not the same as the figures for recorded crimes (i.e., in the police system, before prosecution). No, England is not perfect regarding crimes. Some of the evidence indicates that for some crimes, it is worse than the US. Other evidence (such as the UN survey facts I reported, regarding prosecutions for severe violent crimes) indicates that the US rate for these crimes is 25 times the rate in the U.K. You've never once said "Oh yes, I see, maybe I was wrong when I said the rate of violent crimes is higher in the UK".
prosecuted crimes (i.e., proven in court) in the UN report is not the same as the figures for recorded crimes (i.e., in the police system, before prosecution). No, England is not perfect regarding crimes. Some of the evidence indicates that for some crimes, it is worse than the US. Other evidence (such as the UN survey facts I reported, regarding prosecutions for severe violent crimes) indicates that the US rate for these crimes is 25 times the rate in the U.K. You've never once said "Oh yes, I see, maybe I was wrong when I said the rate of violent crimes is higher in the UK".
As for me not being here in 6 months, try 1 month. By then, I'll be back in Italy enjoying my life with my family. Can't wait to leave the mess that England has become.
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What are you looking for ontheball? Or are you just running from place to place?
#157
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Originally posted by bondipom
What are you looking for ontheball? Or are you just running from place to place?
What are you looking for ontheball? Or are you just running from place to place?
#158
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Originally posted by ontheball
I'm not looking for anything. Happily married with 2 beautiful children and an excellent job in Italy.
I'm not looking for anything. Happily married with 2 beautiful children and an excellent job in Italy.
Arrivederci tw@t
Scottm
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Originally posted by scottm
Arrivederci tw@t
Scottm
Arrivederci tw@t
Scottm
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unbelievable the comment about illegal immigrants... jesus... did you poll every "non English person" you saw just to make sure of their immigration status?
What's with you and your collonial perspective... its nice that middle-aged whiteys with kids can jet all over Europe compairing it to their home country then come back and complain about immigrants!
SHARE THE PLANET YOU UNGRATEFUL FACIST
why can't we all just get along... jesus... attitiudes like that make the world a dangerous place....
What's with you and your collonial perspective... its nice that middle-aged whiteys with kids can jet all over Europe compairing it to their home country then come back and complain about immigrants!
SHARE THE PLANET YOU UNGRATEFUL FACIST
why can't we all just get along... jesus... attitiudes like that make the world a dangerous place....
#161
Originally posted by ontheball
Incorrect. I have disassociated myself from that original post at least three times How many times do I have to do it before it sinks in? So nothing you have said has contradicted my subsequent argument.
As for me not being here in 6 months, try 1 month. By then, I'll be back in Italy enjoying my life with my family. Can't wait to leave the mess that England has become.
Incorrect. I have disassociated myself from that original post at least three times How many times do I have to do it before it sinks in? So nothing you have said has contradicted my subsequent argument.
As for me not being here in 6 months, try 1 month. By then, I'll be back in Italy enjoying my life with my family. Can't wait to leave the mess that England has become.
#162
Re: Moving back to England was a mistake
Originally posted by sharpener
I agree with what you say goldy especially most people being unfriendly these days. My sister was mugged last month walking through their local park in the middle of the day!
It's just not safe for the kids in so many places - it really limits our lifestyle.
I agree with what you say goldy especially most people being unfriendly these days. My sister was mugged last month walking through their local park in the middle of the day!
It's just not safe for the kids in so many places - it really limits our lifestyle.
#163
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Originally posted by ontheball
Siete un perdente amaro triste
Siete un perdente amaro triste
Your the sad loser, on this forum, offtheball:lecture:
Scottm
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Originally posted by muppetking
Have you ever heard of labouring the point? We are not all obtuse so thanks, you've made your point (with help from some tedious statistics), feel free to head off to Italy where crime, corruption and bigotry are unheard of. Give my regards to Berlusconi!
Have you ever heard of labouring the point? We are not all obtuse so thanks, you've made your point (with help from some tedious statistics), feel free to head off to Italy where crime, corruption and bigotry are unheard of. Give my regards to Berlusconi!
#165
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Originally posted by scottm
Your the sad loser, on this forum, offtheball:lecture:
Scottm
Your the sad loser, on this forum, offtheball:lecture:
Scottm
Some of you sad people seem to live on this forum - for me it's a brief visit until family matters here are resolved.