Jim Ley

On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:51:25 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Jim Ley writes:
    >> Maybe you should get back in the European job market, it's obviously
    >> very different to your conceptions, you might enjoy it.
    >I'm in it already.
    >> No, not really, as you'd decrease the efficiency of work, which
    >> will rarely save energy.
    >How do flexible hours decrease the efficiency of work?

Because other people you need to talk to in your job are not available
at the same times as you...

Jim,

Dgs

Mxsmanic wrote:

    > chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
    > writes:
    >
    >>Indeed, but the kind of diet I have, given that I can't shop at the
    >>market _every_ day requires food refrigeration.
    >
    > Then perhaps you should adopt a less decadent lifestyle and stop wasting
    > energy on refrigeration.

Utter hypocrisy.

Maybe you should practice what you preach, instead of wasting energy
running your air-conditioner.
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Dgs

Mxsmanic wrote:

    > The Reids writes:
    >
    >>so aircon is OK but fridges are "wasteful"
    >
    > Both are okay for me.

So, then, why did you post this, in response to another poster who
uses a refrigerator:

    > Then perhaps you should adopt a less decadent lifestyle and stop wasting
    > energy on refrigeration.

Also, personal attack ("you should adopt a less decadent lifestyle")
noted, and particularly hypocritical coming from someone who whines
about such things.

    > I'm just illustrating the inconsistencies in the
    > positions of others, who consider technologies "wasteful" when they have
    > an emotional objection to them, but willingly waste energy to a much
    > greater degree for their favored technologies.

Like people who run air-conditioning when it's unnecessary, for
instance. That's what you mean, right?
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Mxsmanic

Keith W writes:

    > Incorrect, the power requirement of any gadget effects
    > the CO2 missions.

Not if the power isn't generated with fossil fuels.

    > Says you

There won't be any choice.

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Jim Ley writes:

    > Because other people you need to talk to in your job are not available
    > at the same times as you...

How do you explain international commerce, then?

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Deep Foiled Malls writes:

    > How will that eliminate traffic?

Instead of everyone trying to go the same place at the same time twice a
day, traffic will flow in all directions at all times at a much lower
rate. It won't be necessary to build everything to accommodate peak
loads, and there will be less stopping and starting and pollution, and
fewer delays.

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nitram writes:

    > Where do you get your electricity from?

About 75% nuclear power, the rest from mostly fossil fuels and some
hydroelectric, I think.

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Keith W writes:

    > Which means it uses 36 times more power than a fridge

And 240 times less than a car.

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dgs writes:

    > So, then, why did you post this, in response to another poster who
    > uses a refrigerator:
    >
    > > Then perhaps you should adopt a less decadent lifestyle and stop wasting
    > > energy on refrigeration.

I was illustrating the contradictions inherent in that argument.

    > Also, personal attack ("you should adopt a less decadent lifestyle")
    > noted, and particularly hypocritical coming from someone who whines
    > about such things.

See above.

    > Like people who run air-conditioning when it's unnecessary, for
    > instance. That's what you mean, right?

I suppose so, although nobody has described running air conditioning
when it's unnecessary.

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Deep Foiled Malls writes:

    > What do you mean by 'not abnormal'?

Normal.

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dgs writes:

    > Maybe you should practice what you preach, instead of wasting energy
    > running your air-conditioner.

I'm not wasting energy. I use the A/C when I need to cool the
apartment.

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Jordi writes:

    > So? It is re-used after cooling, you don't waste it, just give it a use
    > before sending it back to the system.

What if you don't have any other use for it?

    > And, anyway, many hot climates have access to seawater which has a
    > virtually unlimited supply.

Many? I don't think so. Most hot climates are quite a distance from
water, otherwise they typically aren't that hot (or cold--oceans have a
moderating effect on weather).

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nitram writes:

    > How about a swim in the Seine?

I don't see your point.

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Keith W

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    > Keith W writes:
    >> Which means it uses 36 times more power than a fridge
    > And 240 times less than a car.

Lots of luck trying to drive to the seaside in a fridge

Keith

Jordi

Mxsmanic ha escrito:
    > Jordi writes:
    > > So? It is re-used after cooling, you don't waste it, just give it a
use
    > > before sending it back to the system.
    > What if you don't have any other use for it?

First you say water is scarce, so it can't possibly be used for
refrigeration (despite evidence from the contrary), now you say there
is no other use for water. What is your point, exactly? (if one)

    > > And, anyway, many hot climates have access to seawater which has a
    > > virtually unlimited supply.
    > Many? I don't think so. Most hot climates are quite a distance from
    > water, otherwise they typically aren't that hot (or cold--oceans have
a
    > moderating effect on weather).

If there is a human community means there is water around, there are
not many skyscrapers or universities in the middle of the Sahara, you
know.


J.