B Vaughan

On Wed, 11 May 2005 17:55:29 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
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    >On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:20:55 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >>nitram writes:
    >>> A microwave is only necessary if you insist on living on deep frozen
    >>> junk food.
    >>There aren't a lot of foods that can be consumed raw.
    >What can't you consume raw?

Potatoes.
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On 2005-05-11 18:20:55 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:

    > There aren't a lot of foods that can be consumed raw.

Apart from fruit and vegetables, you mean?

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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    > chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
    > writes:
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    > > I don't need a/c, but my food won't keep without a refrigerator ...
    >
    > You don't need to buy food that is perishable without refrigeration. In
    > many parts of the world, people do without power-wasteful refrigerators.

Indeed, but the kind of diet I have, given that I can't shop at the
market _every_ day requires food refrigeration. I think it's a
worthwhile sacrifice. I also have a very energy efficient fridge.

    > > ... and I can't work at night without a light, etc.
    >
    > In many parts of the world, people simply sleep at night, or in any case
    > they do things that don't require power-wasteful electric lights.

Yawn.

    >
    > > Oh, back to that one again. If you have a shower once a day, you'll be
    > > fine.
    >
    > Not in hot weather, and not when dressed for cold weather.

Maybe you just stink abnormaly?

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    > nitram writes:
    >> A microwave is only necessary if you insist on living on deep frozen
    >> junk food.
    > There aren't a lot of foods that can be consumed raw.

Almost all vegetables and fruits can be consumed raw,
indeed most are more nutritious that way.

Keith

Bb

On Wed, 11 May 2005 17:55:29 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
    > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>There aren't a lot of foods that can be consumed raw.
    >
    > What can't you consume raw?

Big Macs

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Magda wrote:

    > On Wed, 11 May 2005 17:55:29 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Deep Foiled Malls
    > <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
    > this :
    >
    > ... [...]
    > ... What can't you consume raw?
    >
    > Kidneys ?

Rocky Mountain oysters? Nettles? Couscous?
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BB <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Wed, 11 May 2005 17:55:29 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
    >> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>There aren't a lot of foods that can be consumed raw.
    >>
    >> What can't you consume raw?
    >Big Macs

But are they food?

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Mxsmanic

poldy writes:

    > Here's the article:
    >
    > http://slate.com/id/2115114
    >
    > Nice shiny maglev trains in Shanghai. And there's no way they're not
    > taking a bath on them.

Maglev continues to be mostly a laboratory curiosity. Besides, TGVs can
handily exceed 270 mph, although they don't do so in regular service.

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Keith W writes:

    > This is of course a completely bogus analysis. To make a meningful
    > comparison you have to compare not only the power ratings
    > but the hours per day each operates and the relative CO2 emissions.
    > and efficiencies of each machine

The car only has to operate an hour or so a day to exceed the power
consumption of the air conditioner.

    > Most people average less than 15,000 miles per year
    > even assuming they are only doing 30 mph that equates
    > to around 500 hours of operation per year

See above.

    > Assuming you use an AC unit for 100 days per year
    > and 10 hours per day you are using it for 1000 man hours

See above.

    > So your room AC is equivalent to 1/3 car assuming the
    > same fuel BUT in most countries the fuel of choice for
    > electrical generation is coal which produces much more
    > Co2 per kw of energy that petrol or gasoline

Sorry, but introducing irrelevant factors isn't going to work. The fact
is, power consumption for air conditioning is much lower than power
consumption for motor vehicles. If you are really worried about the
environment, concentrate on getting rid of the motor vehicles.

    > Now in Paris of course you are using mainly nuclear energy
    > so thats not a real contributor but running the same AC unit
    > in Ohio would generate more CO2 per annum than a
    > mid sized car used for commuting

They can build nuclear plants, too. Eventually, they'll have to.

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The Reids writes:

    > either are unacceptable. Same for frequent air travel.

A lot of people seem to disagree, given the number of cars and airmiles
one sees.

    > Do you mean per week or a car being driven v. a home sitting
    > there?

At any given instant. But even with a car driven occasionally and an
air conditioner used continuously, the car still uses more power. Motor
vehicles represent the bulk of per capita power consumption in developed
countries.

    > Power isn't the only issue anyway.

Really? What are the other issues?

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The Reids writes:

    > you work in the early morning, you work in the evening, what
    > siesta is 7 hours?

In extremely hot climates, without A/C, you must sleep for most of the
day, as it is simply too hot to do anything else.

    > As long as you do the hours (preferably
    > when its easy to be alert) what does it matter when?

I don't know. Why do all employers seem to require everyone to start at
8 or 9 AM, and finish at 5 or 6 PM?

A vast amount of energy could be saved by staggering working hours, but
nobody wants to do that.

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The Reids writes:

    > how come the conquistadors were adapted to heat, or did
    > adaptability die out when aircon arrived?

They weren't. They simply suffered instead.

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nitram writes:

    > There are simpler ways of cooking a meal than using a microwave

I can't think of any. Microwaves use a lot less energy than
conventional cooking, too.

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The Reids writes:

    > some people only eat raw food.

Some people carry parasites.

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Deep Foiled Malls writes:

    > What can't you consume raw?

Most animal products, some vegetables, baked goods.

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