Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
May 11th 2005, 4:18 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:16:49 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
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>The Reids writes:
>> explain why a siesta is more incompatible with "modern life" than
>> sleeping during darkness.
>There aren't too many employers that are willing to let employees sleep
>from noon to 7 PM.
I can think of several.
wrote:
>The Reids writes:
>> explain why a siesta is more incompatible with "modern life" than
>> sleeping during darkness.
>There aren't too many employers that are willing to let employees sleep
>from noon to 7 PM.
I can think of several.
May 11th 2005, 4:19 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
In article <[email protected]>,
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> poldy writes:
>
> > With the advent of AC, ventilation design has become a lost art.
>
> Like starting fires by rubbing two sticks together?
No there was a book review about how homes built in the South in the
19th and early 20th century just had better natural ventilation, whereas
since AC became available, buildings have become boxes which just don't
allow any kind of flow.
If they plan for AC in these buildings, they may be limiting openings so
the cooled air isn't lost.
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> poldy writes:
>
> > With the advent of AC, ventilation design has become a lost art.
>
> Like starting fires by rubbing two sticks together?
No there was a book review about how homes built in the South in the
19th and early 20th century just had better natural ventilation, whereas
since AC became available, buildings have become boxes which just don't
allow any kind of flow.
If they plan for AC in these buildings, they may be limiting openings so
the cooled air isn't lost.
May 11th 2005, 4:20 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
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> Your one certainly isn't. Have you looked around?
They are all designed this way in Paris. The city used to be relatively
cool, and many people fantasize that it still is, and design in
consequence.
> I don't need a/c, but my food won't keep without a refrigerator ...
You don't need to buy food that is perishable without refrigeration. In
many parts of the world, people do without power-wasteful refrigerators.
> ... and I can't work at night without a light, etc.
In many parts of the world, people simply sleep at night, or in any case
they do things that don't require power-wasteful electric lights.
> Oh, back to that one again. If you have a shower once a day, you'll be
> fine.
Not in hot weather, and not when dressed for cold weather.
> It's a good question. Ultimately, you could argue that most things we
> use aren't necessary to existence, but I think some things are more
> important than others, and a/c is down the list in a _lot_ of
> situations.
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> Your one certainly isn't. Have you looked around?
They are all designed this way in Paris. The city used to be relatively
cool, and many people fantasize that it still is, and design in
consequence.
> I don't need a/c, but my food won't keep without a refrigerator ...
You don't need to buy food that is perishable without refrigeration. In
many parts of the world, people do without power-wasteful refrigerators.
> ... and I can't work at night without a light, etc.
In many parts of the world, people simply sleep at night, or in any case
they do things that don't require power-wasteful electric lights.
> Oh, back to that one again. If you have a shower once a day, you'll be
> fine.
Not in hot weather, and not when dressed for cold weather.
> It's a good question. Ultimately, you could argue that most things we
> use aren't necessary to existence, but I think some things are more
> important than others, and a/c is down the list in a _lot_ of
> situations.
Why?
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May 11th 2005, 4:20 pm
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nitram writes:
> A microwave is only necessary if you insist on living on deep frozen
> junk food.
There aren't a lot of foods that can be consumed raw.
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> A microwave is only necessary if you insist on living on deep frozen
> junk food.
There aren't a lot of foods that can be consumed raw.
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May 11th 2005, 4:21 pm
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Jordi writes:
> Some of the facilities in the article were pumping water from the
> bottom of a lake or the sea which I find hard to deplete.
Oil seemed hard to deplete at one time.
> Also, the pumped water is reused afterwards. Honestly, do you think
> such systems would be actually working today if it was thought they
> would be useless in, say, 20 years?
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> Some of the facilities in the article were pumping water from the
> bottom of a lake or the sea which I find hard to deplete.
Oil seemed hard to deplete at one time.
> Also, the pumped water is reused afterwards. Honestly, do you think
> such systems would be actually working today if it was thought they
> would be useless in, say, 20 years?
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May 11th 2005, 4:23 pm
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Keith W writes:
> Indeed in northern Canada and Alaska the ground remains
> frozen even in summer when the temperature is in the
> 80's.
They probably have less of a need for active cooling, though. There
isn't much permafrost in southern Spain.
> Hence the use of cellars under bars and restraunts to keep
> the wine and beer cool
These only work if the average temperature of the surface climate is
relatively cool.
> No abstracted groundwater is typically replaced by water from
> surrounding rocks, this is how wells work after all.
Wells run dry.
> Not if its reinjected after use
And is it? Of course, that heats the rest of the aquifer.
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> Indeed in northern Canada and Alaska the ground remains
> frozen even in summer when the temperature is in the
> 80's.
They probably have less of a need for active cooling, though. There
isn't much permafrost in southern Spain.
> Hence the use of cellars under bars and restraunts to keep
> the wine and beer cool
These only work if the average temperature of the surface climate is
relatively cool.
> No abstracted groundwater is typically replaced by water from
> surrounding rocks, this is how wells work after all.
Wells run dry.
> Not if its reinjected after use
And is it? Of course, that heats the rest of the aquifer.
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May 11th 2005, 4:24 pm
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Ronald Hands writes:
> I don't know about the other systems mentioned, but in Toronto the
> only major cooling water system that I'm aware of draws its water from
> the bottom of Lake Ontario, a very deep lake where the temperature
> remains only a few degrees above freezing year round.
How much does it cost to pump water from the bottom of the lake, as
opposed to running compressors?
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> I don't know about the other systems mentioned, but in Toronto the
> only major cooling water system that I'm aware of draws its water from
> the bottom of Lake Ontario, a very deep lake where the temperature
> remains only a few degrees above freezing year round.
How much does it cost to pump water from the bottom of the lake, as
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May 11th 2005, 4:33 pm
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:20:55 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
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>nitram writes:
>> A microwave is only necessary if you insist on living on deep frozen
>> junk food.
>There aren't a lot of foods that can be consumed raw.
There are simpler ways of cooking a meal than using a microwave
wrote:
>nitram writes:
>> A microwave is only necessary if you insist on living on deep frozen
>> junk food.
>There aren't a lot of foods that can be consumed raw.
There are simpler ways of cooking a meal than using a microwave
May 11th 2005, 4:37 pm
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In article <[email protected]>,
nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
> They did do a series of Albanian films on Dutch TV, but I can't
> recollect seeing a N Korean film here. I have never been certain if
> the choice is budget or politically driven.
Maybe not N. Korean films but S. Korean films are making a mark in world
cinema. They are viewed at Cannes and other film festivals.
Occasionally, IFC or Sundance will show one.
nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
> They did do a series of Albanian films on Dutch TV, but I can't
> recollect seeing a N Korean film here. I have never been certain if
> the choice is budget or politically driven.
Maybe not N. Korean films but S. Korean films are making a mark in world
cinema. They are viewed at Cannes and other film festivals.
Occasionally, IFC or Sundance will show one.
May 11th 2005, 4:40 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
In article <[email protected]>,
The Rev Gaston <[email protected]> wrote:
> Most Israelis have been in the army, though, and an increasing
> proportion of them live on violently seized land, so the line between a
> "military target" and a "civilian" one is increasingly hard to draw.
>
> Which, of course, doesn't trouble the Israelis, who kill everyone -
> fighter or schoolchild.
Pretty soon, they may be fighting themselves. The evacuation of Gaza is
not expected to go off without incident. A lot in the army don't
believe in the evacuation and a lot of the settlers won't move, even if
they're being resettled at govt. expense to the most exclusive Israeli
real estate markets.
Apparently, the IDF had armed the settlers with machine guns and
collecting them back is going to be an issue.
The Rev Gaston <[email protected]> wrote:
> Most Israelis have been in the army, though, and an increasing
> proportion of them live on violently seized land, so the line between a
> "military target" and a "civilian" one is increasingly hard to draw.
>
> Which, of course, doesn't trouble the Israelis, who kill everyone -
> fighter or schoolchild.
Pretty soon, they may be fighting themselves. The evacuation of Gaza is
not expected to go off without incident. A lot in the army don't
believe in the evacuation and a lot of the settlers won't move, even if
they're being resettled at govt. expense to the most exclusive Israeli
real estate markets.
Apparently, the IDF had armed the settlers with machine guns and
collecting them back is going to be an issue.
May 11th 2005, 4:41 pm
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In article <[email protected]>,
The Rev Gaston <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Singling out Ken for inviting them home smacks of an agenda to me.
> >
> > And what agenda would that be?
>
> No idea, but it's my vague recollection that you are not Ken's biggest fan.
Who the heck is Ken?
The Rev Gaston <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Singling out Ken for inviting them home smacks of an agenda to me.
> >
> > And what agenda would that be?
>
> No idea, but it's my vague recollection that you are not Ken's biggest fan.
Who the heck is Ken?
May 11th 2005, 4:50 pm
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> The Reids writes:
>> that is a silly argument in itself. Think about what will happen
>> if the whole world tries to use aircon for cooling.
> Not much, compared to what will happen if the whole world tries to drive
> motor vehicles.
> A single car consumes as much power as four average homes, or 20-40 air
> conditioners.
This is of course a completely bogus analysis. To make a meningful
comparison you have to compare not only the power ratings
but the hours per day each operates and the relative CO2 emissions.
and efficiencies of each machine
Most people average less than 15,000 miles per year
even assuming they are only doing 30 mph that equates
to around 500 hours of operation per year
Assuming you use an AC unit for 100 days per year
and 10 hours per day you are using it for 1000 man hours
At 30 mph the average car will be producing between 10 and 20 kw
of power so lets say 500*20 = 10,000 kwh
each AC unit will be absorbing around 3 kw so its consumption
will be 1000*3 or 3,000 kwhrs
So your room AC is equivalent to 1/3 car assuming the
same fuel BUT in most countries the fuel of choice for
electrical generation is coal which produces much more
Co2 per kw of energy that petrol or gasoline
Now in Paris of course you are using mainly nuclear energy
so thats not a real contributor but running the same AC unit
in Ohio would generate more CO2 per annum than a
mid sized car used for commuting
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> The Reids writes:
>> that is a silly argument in itself. Think about what will happen
>> if the whole world tries to use aircon for cooling.
> Not much, compared to what will happen if the whole world tries to drive
> motor vehicles.
> A single car consumes as much power as four average homes, or 20-40 air
> conditioners.
This is of course a completely bogus analysis. To make a meningful
comparison you have to compare not only the power ratings
but the hours per day each operates and the relative CO2 emissions.
and efficiencies of each machine
Most people average less than 15,000 miles per year
even assuming they are only doing 30 mph that equates
to around 500 hours of operation per year
Assuming you use an AC unit for 100 days per year
and 10 hours per day you are using it for 1000 man hours
At 30 mph the average car will be producing between 10 and 20 kw
of power so lets say 500*20 = 10,000 kwh
each AC unit will be absorbing around 3 kw so its consumption
will be 1000*3 or 3,000 kwhrs
So your room AC is equivalent to 1/3 car assuming the
same fuel BUT in most countries the fuel of choice for
electrical generation is coal which produces much more
Co2 per kw of energy that petrol or gasoline
Now in Paris of course you are using mainly nuclear energy
so thats not a real contributor but running the same AC unit
in Ohio would generate more CO2 per annum than a
mid sized car used for commuting
Keith
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May 11th 2005, 4:53 pm
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> Keith W writes:
>> Indeed in northern Canada and Alaska the ground remains
>> frozen even in summer when the temperature is in the
>> 80's.
> They probably have less of a need for active cooling, though. There
> isn't much permafrost in southern Spain.
Indeed but there is cool earth down there.
>> Hence the use of cellars under bars and restraunts to keep
>> the wine and beer cool
> These only work if the average temperature of the surface climate is
> relatively cool.
They work in Spain , Mexico, Africa, India and Latin America
not notorious for their cool climates.
>> No abstracted groundwater is typically replaced by water from
>> surrounding rocks, this is how wells work after all.
> Wells run dry.
Typically they dont
>> Not if its reinjected after use
> And is it? Of course, that heats the rest of the aquifer.
Work out the relative thermal masses and calculate the
nett temperature rise
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> Keith W writes:
>> Indeed in northern Canada and Alaska the ground remains
>> frozen even in summer when the temperature is in the
>> 80's.
> They probably have less of a need for active cooling, though. There
> isn't much permafrost in southern Spain.
Indeed but there is cool earth down there.
>> Hence the use of cellars under bars and restraunts to keep
>> the wine and beer cool
> These only work if the average temperature of the surface climate is
> relatively cool.
They work in Spain , Mexico, Africa, India and Latin America
not notorious for their cool climates.
>> No abstracted groundwater is typically replaced by water from
>> surrounding rocks, this is how wells work after all.
> Wells run dry.
Typically they dont
>> Not if its reinjected after use
> And is it? Of course, that heats the rest of the aquifer.
Work out the relative thermal masses and calculate the
nett temperature rise
Keith
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May 11th 2005, 4:59 pm
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>> I think I read something like that if you make it past 85 you go
>> up to near 90 or something. Same for 66.
>The live expectancy for a given individual increases more or less
>continuously with his age throughout life
but it isn't even, that's what I was getting at, there are danger
points, the first year, retiring, being 85, marrying an 18 year
old when you are 60, OK so i'm dreaming.
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>> I think I read something like that if you make it past 85 you go
>> up to near 90 or something. Same for 66.
>The live expectancy for a given individual increases more or less
>continuously with his age throughout life
but it isn't even, that's what I was getting at, there are danger
points, the first year, retiring, being 85, marrying an 18 year
old when you are 60, OK so i'm dreaming.
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May 11th 2005, 4:59 pm
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Following up to poldy
>> No idea, but it's my vague recollection that you are not Ken's biggest fan.
>Who the heck is Ken?
he said city hall, so that would be Ken Livingstone, my ex boss.
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>> No idea, but it's my vague recollection that you are not Ken's biggest fan.
>Who the heck is Ken?
he said city hall, so that would be Ken Livingstone, my ex boss.
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