Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
May 8th 2005, 4:45 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
nitram writes:
> or burning fuel in four litre engines to go 1/2 a mile to a
> supermarket to do a bit of shopping.
Some of those engines get 60 miles to the gallon, much better than the
mileage enjoyed by Europeans in their 35-year-old second-hand Citroëns.
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> or burning fuel in four litre engines to go 1/2 a mile to a
> supermarket to do a bit of shopping.
Some of those engines get 60 miles to the gallon, much better than the
mileage enjoyed by Europeans in their 35-year-old second-hand Citroëns.
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May 8th 2005, 4:46 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in
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> nitram writes:
>
>> by getting acclimatised to the local climate and using traditional
>> methods of staying cool.
>
> That never actually happened, though. When it got hot, life slowed
> to a crawl, and people simply sat around or slept until the temperature
> dropped.
That is a way of acclimatisation. It's a quite healthy lifestyle too.
Humans' natural habitat is the savannah. We are accustomed to rather
warm/hot climate. Everything else (esp. cooler) we have to get used to,
not the other way round. The migration out of the tropics was
humanity's biggest mistake, IMHO.
> That's not really an option in modern society. So you have to
> air-condition instead.
Most of Southern Europe practices siesta to an extent.
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> nitram writes:
>
>> by getting acclimatised to the local climate and using traditional
>> methods of staying cool.
>
> That never actually happened, though. When it got hot, life slowed
> to a crawl, and people simply sat around or slept until the temperature
> dropped.
That is a way of acclimatisation. It's a quite healthy lifestyle too.
Humans' natural habitat is the savannah. We are accustomed to rather
warm/hot climate. Everything else (esp. cooler) we have to get used to,
not the other way round. The migration out of the tropics was
humanity's biggest mistake, IMHO.
> That's not really an option in modern society. So you have to
> air-condition instead.
Most of Southern Europe practices siesta to an extent.
Regards
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May 8th 2005, 4:46 am
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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
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> According to some Islamic nutcase, all Israelis are
> 'in the army' which is why it's OK to kill any of them.
He's not that far off. Israel still has conscription for both sexes,
with long periods of enlistment. I get the same impression looking at
images from the country--there always seems to be someone in a military
uniform in every image.
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writes:
> According to some Islamic nutcase, all Israelis are
> 'in the army' which is why it's OK to kill any of them.
He's not that far off. Israel still has conscription for both sexes,
with long periods of enlistment. I get the same impression looking at
images from the country--there always seems to be someone in a military
uniform in every image.
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May 8th 2005, 4:48 am
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Air conditioning
> has absolutely no effect on infectious diseases, allergies, or anything
> else.
Some people visiting a convention in Philadelphia a few decades ago
might beg to differ.
> The real cognitive dissonance appears when one compares attitudes about
> heating with attitudes about cooling. Europeans are afraid to even look
> at air conditioners, no matter what the temperature outside, but they
> won't hesitate to overheat their buildings in winter. Some stores here
> in Paris are so overheated during the winter that I avoid visiting them.
Not that it doesn't happen over here, but overheating stores in winter
tends to be more of a US phenomenon IME.
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> Air conditioning
> has absolutely no effect on infectious diseases, allergies, or anything
> else.
Some people visiting a convention in Philadelphia a few decades ago
might beg to differ.
> The real cognitive dissonance appears when one compares attitudes about
> heating with attitudes about cooling. Europeans are afraid to even look
> at air conditioners, no matter what the temperature outside, but they
> won't hesitate to overheat their buildings in winter. Some stores here
> in Paris are so overheated during the winter that I avoid visiting them.
Not that it doesn't happen over here, but overheating stores in winter
tends to be more of a US phenomenon IME.
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May 8th 2005, 4:48 am
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nitram writes:
> So what do you think happened in the world before the invention of
> air-conditioning?
Things moved a _lot_ more slowly in hot weather.
> The tooth fairy built the pyramids and the Parthenon?
We don't really know how the pyramids were built, or in what seasons, or
under what conditions. The Parthenon isn't quite so ambitious, and it
could have been constructed during cooler weather.
> You see people getting along without air conditioning all the time in
> hot climates.
If "getting along" means sleeping or sitting doing nothing, you're
right. But there's more to life than that.
> The Japanese fought a war and almost won it in their part of the
> world in such conditions.
> Of course they aren't really human, sushi eating, surrender monkeys?
The Japanese have been very cruel to their own and to others; they are
not an example to emulate.
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> So what do you think happened in the world before the invention of
> air-conditioning?
Things moved a _lot_ more slowly in hot weather.
> The tooth fairy built the pyramids and the Parthenon?
We don't really know how the pyramids were built, or in what seasons, or
under what conditions. The Parthenon isn't quite so ambitious, and it
could have been constructed during cooler weather.
> You see people getting along without air conditioning all the time in
> hot climates.
If "getting along" means sleeping or sitting doing nothing, you're
right. But there's more to life than that.
> The Japanese fought a war and almost won it in their part of the
> world in such conditions.
> Of course they aren't really human, sushi eating, surrender monkeys?
The Japanese have been very cruel to their own and to others; they are
not an example to emulate.
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May 8th 2005, 4:49 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 8 May 2005 17:17:14 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
> wrote:
[]
> >Well... North Korea?
>
> We don't get many North Korean films on Dutch TV. :-)
Funny. I think that's all _they_ get!
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> On Sun, 8 May 2005 17:17:14 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
> wrote:
[]
> >Well... North Korea?
>
> We don't get many North Korean films on Dutch TV. :-)
Funny. I think that's all _they_ get!
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May 8th 2005, 4:49 am
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Gregory Morrow writes:
> Everyone on Usenet is a "troll" to a varying degree...
"Troll" is a synonym for "someone who disagrees with me."
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May 8th 2005, 4:50 am
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On 2005-05-08 18:36:27 +0200, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
said:
> The Rev Gaston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2005-05-08 18:17:14 +0200, [email protected]
>> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
>> said:
>>
>>> Actually Israel too. According to some Islamic nutcase, all Israelis are
>>> 'in the army' which is why it's OK to kill any of them. Yeah- seems
>>> unbelievable, but he got a personal invite to London recently and was
>>> warmly welcomed by Ken.
>>
>> Most Israelis have been in the army, though, and an increasing
>> proportion of them live on violently seized land, so the line between a
>> "military target" and a "civilian" one is increasingly hard to draw.
>>
>> Which, of course, doesn't trouble the Israelis, who kill everyone -
>> fighter or schoolchild.
>
> As opposed to terrorists, who prefer just to kill school children?
Define the word "terrorist" and we can discuss the point.
> I don't think it's helpful to lump all Israelis together, any more than
> Muslims. Point is that this particular nutjob's opinions give
> encouragement to some desperate people who'll do anything. You don't
> have to agree with the policies of Israel (and I don't) to see this
> particular whacko as wrong, and dangerous. Of course, that's just for
> starters- you should read his defense of beating your wife and killing
> gays. Needless to say, he also supports female circumcision- as he
> notes, you can't be too careful nowadays.
>
> Lots of people have these lunatic views. Point is that Ken invited him
> to city hall, and has actually tried to blow off the criticism as
> Islamaphobia.
Lots of people have lunatic views (Benedict the Umpteenth, for a
start). Singling out Ken for inviting them home smacks of an agenda to
me.
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(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
said:
> The Rev Gaston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2005-05-08 18:17:14 +0200, [email protected]
>> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
>> said:
>>
>>> Actually Israel too. According to some Islamic nutcase, all Israelis are
>>> 'in the army' which is why it's OK to kill any of them. Yeah- seems
>>> unbelievable, but he got a personal invite to London recently and was
>>> warmly welcomed by Ken.
>>
>> Most Israelis have been in the army, though, and an increasing
>> proportion of them live on violently seized land, so the line between a
>> "military target" and a "civilian" one is increasingly hard to draw.
>>
>> Which, of course, doesn't trouble the Israelis, who kill everyone -
>> fighter or schoolchild.
>
> As opposed to terrorists, who prefer just to kill school children?
Define the word "terrorist" and we can discuss the point.
> I don't think it's helpful to lump all Israelis together, any more than
> Muslims. Point is that this particular nutjob's opinions give
> encouragement to some desperate people who'll do anything. You don't
> have to agree with the policies of Israel (and I don't) to see this
> particular whacko as wrong, and dangerous. Of course, that's just for
> starters- you should read his defense of beating your wife and killing
> gays. Needless to say, he also supports female circumcision- as he
> notes, you can't be too careful nowadays.
>
> Lots of people have these lunatic views. Point is that Ken invited him
> to city hall, and has actually tried to blow off the criticism as
> Islamaphobia.
Lots of people have lunatic views (Benedict the Umpteenth, for a
start). Singling out Ken for inviting them home smacks of an agenda to
me.
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May 8th 2005, 4:52 am
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The Rev Gaston <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2005-05-08 18:36:27 +0200, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
> said:
[]
> > Lots of people have these lunatic views. Point is that Ken invited him
> > to city hall, and has actually tried to blow off the criticism as
> > Islamaphobia.
>
> Lots of people have lunatic views (Benedict the Umpteenth, for a
> start).
I don't disagree with that.
> Singling out Ken for inviting them home smacks of an agenda to
> me.
And what agenda would that be?
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> On 2005-05-08 18:36:27 +0200, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
> said:
[]
> > Lots of people have these lunatic views. Point is that Ken invited him
> > to city hall, and has actually tried to blow off the criticism as
> > Islamaphobia.
>
> Lots of people have lunatic views (Benedict the Umpteenth, for a
> start).
I don't disagree with that.
> Singling out Ken for inviting them home smacks of an agenda to
> me.
And what agenda would that be?
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May 8th 2005, 4:53 am
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Mxsmanic [on Sun, 08 May 2005 18:49:46 +0200] wrote:
> "Troll" is a synonym for "someone who disagrees with me."
Nah...I don't think that's true. :-)
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> "Troll" is a synonym for "someone who disagrees with me."
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May 8th 2005, 4:54 am
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On 2005-05-08 18:43:11 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
> Gregory Morrow writes:
>
>> The anti - a/c crowd comes up with the silliest arguments. Do they feel the
>> same way about potable water and electrical power I wonder...???
>
> There is a taboo among Europeans and some others concerning air
> conditioning.
There isn't a taboo - whatever gave you that idea? It's simply that
most people don't have such an aversion to the heat as you do.
> The real cognitive dissonance appears when one compares attitudes about
> heating with attitudes about cooling. Europeans are afraid to even look
> at air conditioners, no matter what the temperature outside, but they
> won't hesitate to overheat their buildings in winter. Some stores here
> in Paris are so overheated during the winter that I avoid visiting them.
> I suppose the saleswomen want to be able to wear the latest fashion in
> tank tops and cry if the temperature is allowed to drop below 30° C. At
> least I can think of any other reason for keeping it so hot, as I don't
> see any eggs incubating.
I find it uncomfortable also - though I'm not sure that fashions in
"tank tops" are the issue.
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> Gregory Morrow writes:
>
>> The anti - a/c crowd comes up with the silliest arguments. Do they feel the
>> same way about potable water and electrical power I wonder...???
>
> There is a taboo among Europeans and some others concerning air
> conditioning.
There isn't a taboo - whatever gave you that idea? It's simply that
most people don't have such an aversion to the heat as you do.
> The real cognitive dissonance appears when one compares attitudes about
> heating with attitudes about cooling. Europeans are afraid to even look
> at air conditioners, no matter what the temperature outside, but they
> won't hesitate to overheat their buildings in winter. Some stores here
> in Paris are so overheated during the winter that I avoid visiting them.
> I suppose the saleswomen want to be able to wear the latest fashion in
> tank tops and cry if the temperature is allowed to drop below 30° C. At
> least I can think of any other reason for keeping it so hot, as I don't
> see any eggs incubating.
I find it uncomfortable also - though I'm not sure that fashions in
"tank tops" are the issue.
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May 8th 2005, 4:55 am
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On 2005-05-08 18:52:43 +0200, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
said:
> The Rev Gaston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2005-05-08 18:36:27 +0200, [email protected]
>> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
>> said:
> []
>>> Lots of people have these lunatic views. Point is that Ken invited him
>>> to city hall, and has actually tried to blow off the criticism as
>>> Islamaphobia.
>>
>> Lots of people have lunatic views (Benedict the Umpteenth, for a start).
>
> I don't disagree with that.
>
>> Singling out Ken for inviting them home smacks of an agenda to me.
>
> And what agenda would that be?
No idea, but it's my vague recollection that you are not Ken's biggest fan.
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(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
said:
> The Rev Gaston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2005-05-08 18:36:27 +0200, [email protected]
>> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
>> said:
> []
>>> Lots of people have these lunatic views. Point is that Ken invited him
>>> to city hall, and has actually tried to blow off the criticism as
>>> Islamaphobia.
>>
>> Lots of people have lunatic views (Benedict the Umpteenth, for a start).
>
> I don't disagree with that.
>
>> Singling out Ken for inviting them home smacks of an agenda to me.
>
> And what agenda would that be?
No idea, but it's my vague recollection that you are not Ken's biggest fan.
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May 8th 2005, 4:57 am
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> I get the same impression looking at
> images from the country--there always seems to be someone in a military
> uniform in every image.
That's because Israel is under a permanent state of siege from it's enemies.
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> I get the same impression looking at
> images from the country--there always seems to be someone in a military
> uniform in every image.
That's because Israel is under a permanent state of siege from it's enemies.
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May 8th 2005, 4:57 am
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On 2005-05-08 18:48:05 +0200, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
said:
> Not that it doesn't happen over here, but overheating stores in winter
> tends to be more of a US phenomenon IME.
In the US I also experienced the opposite - people over-cooling their
homes in order that they could show off their inappropriate clothing.
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(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
said:
> Not that it doesn't happen over here, but overheating stores in winter
> tends to be more of a US phenomenon IME.
In the US I also experienced the opposite - people over-cooling their
homes in order that they could show off their inappropriate clothing.
G;
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May 8th 2005, 4:59 am
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> Gregory Morrow writes:
> > Everyone on Usenet is a "troll" to a varying degree...
> "Troll" is a synonym for "someone who disagrees with me."
Yes.
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> Gregory Morrow writes:
> > Everyone on Usenet is a "troll" to a varying degree...
> "Troll" is a synonym for "someone who disagrees with me."
Yes.
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