Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
May 7th 2005, 7:05 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On 2005-05-07 20:05:04 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
> The Rev Gaston writes:
>
>> So perhaps the wonderful American values of rugged individualism didn't
>> actually prove so alluring, in the end?
>
> You think?
No idea - you tell me.
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> The Rev Gaston writes:
>
>> So perhaps the wonderful American values of rugged individualism didn't
>> actually prove so alluring, in the end?
>
> You think?
No idea - you tell me.
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May 7th 2005, 7:07 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> On Sat, 7 May 2005 11:35:43 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
> wrote:
>
> >Aphex
> >Twin's Drukqs album is directly influenced by the Cage prepared piano
> >works.
>
> It's still an utter piece of shit made mostly of stuff that should
> have been binned. Proof that people will listen to any crap, just
> cause Aphex put his name on it.
I'd argue it's only proof that people's tastes vary. I think it's a
strong album myself. It's certainly a lot closer to contemporary
classical though IMO than a lot of his other work. Do you like Xenakis,
Cage, Ligeti or Nancarrow, for example? I transcribed one of the tracks
(afx237 v.7 ) a few years ago for the London Sinfonietta, and really got
into it. As I was doing the whole thing by ear, I had to listen to it
very carefully a _lot_ of times, and I was amazed by its intricacy. I
saw a new video for afx237 v.7 at a concert in Berlin where my
transcriptions were played recently, and I'd certainly recommend seeing
it- not sure if it's available though. There is a short excerpt on the
internet.
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> On Sat, 7 May 2005 11:35:43 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
> wrote:
>
> >Aphex
> >Twin's Drukqs album is directly influenced by the Cage prepared piano
> >works.
>
> It's still an utter piece of shit made mostly of stuff that should
> have been binned. Proof that people will listen to any crap, just
> cause Aphex put his name on it.
I'd argue it's only proof that people's tastes vary. I think it's a
strong album myself. It's certainly a lot closer to contemporary
classical though IMO than a lot of his other work. Do you like Xenakis,
Cage, Ligeti or Nancarrow, for example? I transcribed one of the tracks
(afx237 v.7 ) a few years ago for the London Sinfonietta, and really got
into it. As I was doing the whole thing by ear, I had to listen to it
very carefully a _lot_ of times, and I was amazed by its intricacy. I
saw a new video for afx237 v.7 at a concert in Berlin where my
transcriptions were played recently, and I'd certainly recommend seeing
it- not sure if it's available though. There is a short excerpt on the
internet.
--
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May 7th 2005, 9:08 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Sat, 7 May 2005 20:07:15 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
wrote:
>Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 May 2005 11:35:43 +0100, [email protected]
>> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Aphex
>> >Twin's Drukqs album is directly influenced by the Cage prepared piano
>> >works.
>>
>> It's still an utter piece of shit made mostly of stuff that should
>> have been binned. Proof that people will listen to any crap, just
>> cause Aphex put his name on it.
>I'd argue it's only proof that people's tastes vary. I think it's a
>strong album myself. It's certainly a lot closer to contemporary
>classical though IMO than a lot of his other work. Do you like Xenakis,
>Cage, Ligeti or Nancarrow, for example? I transcribed one of the tracks
>(afx237 v.7 ) a few years ago for the London Sinfonietta, and really got
>into it. As I was doing the whole thing by ear, I had to listen to it
>very carefully a _lot_ of times, and I was amazed by its intricacy. I
>saw a new video for afx237 v.7 at a concert in Berlin where my
>transcriptions were played recently, and I'd certainly recommend seeing
>it- not sure if it's available though. There is a short excerpt on the
>internet.
To me it just sounded like a hodge-podge of left overs with no
coherence. It certainly didn't feel like an album as such, and some of
the tracks were just plain annoying. The Richard D. James Album just
begs to be played, and Come to Daddy and Windowlicker really pushed
the limits of the genre, plus their disturbing videos clips.
Maybe it is a taste thing, but I never listen to any of that album.
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wrote:
>Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 May 2005 11:35:43 +0100, [email protected]
>> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Aphex
>> >Twin's Drukqs album is directly influenced by the Cage prepared piano
>> >works.
>>
>> It's still an utter piece of shit made mostly of stuff that should
>> have been binned. Proof that people will listen to any crap, just
>> cause Aphex put his name on it.
>I'd argue it's only proof that people's tastes vary. I think it's a
>strong album myself. It's certainly a lot closer to contemporary
>classical though IMO than a lot of his other work. Do you like Xenakis,
>Cage, Ligeti or Nancarrow, for example? I transcribed one of the tracks
>(afx237 v.7 ) a few years ago for the London Sinfonietta, and really got
>into it. As I was doing the whole thing by ear, I had to listen to it
>very carefully a _lot_ of times, and I was amazed by its intricacy. I
>saw a new video for afx237 v.7 at a concert in Berlin where my
>transcriptions were played recently, and I'd certainly recommend seeing
>it- not sure if it's available though. There is a short excerpt on the
>internet.
To me it just sounded like a hodge-podge of left overs with no
coherence. It certainly didn't feel like an album as such, and some of
the tracks were just plain annoying. The Richard D. James Album just
begs to be played, and Come to Daddy and Windowlicker really pushed
the limits of the genre, plus their disturbing videos clips.
Maybe it is a taste thing, but I never listen to any of that album.
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May 7th 2005, 11:07 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Keith W writes:
>> Technique no 1:
>> Thermal Siphoning: open the lowest windows on the side
>> from where the breeze is coming. Leave interior doors open,
>> and open the upstairs windows on the opposite side of the house.
>> The warm air in your house will draw upwards and out the upper window,
> That doesn't help when the air outside is already warmer than the air
> inside.
Which is rarely the case
>> Technique no 2
>> Reduce Solar gain by shading out direct sunlight using overhanging
>> eaves, trees and awnings
> That doesn't help if the ambient air temperature is already too high.
It ALWAYS helps as it prevents heat entering the system, this basic
thermodynamics old boy
>> Technique no 3
>> Use walls with high insulation properties, this will also minimise
>> heat transmission from hot outer walls to the interior
> That doesn't help if it is too hot inside and it's even hotter outside.
>> Technique no 4
>> Convective cooling uses a roof mounted vent or wind turbine
>> and inlet ducts that draw into the house through vents mounted
>> low (preferably under the house) on the shaded side of
>> the property
> That doesn't help when the air outside is already warmer than the air
> inside.
Except that by definition air on the shaded side of the house is
apt to be cooler, sepecially at ground level
>> Many any of the old colonial adobe structures in the US SW
>> use these architectural features to maintain a cool interior
>> even in the heat of summer in places like New Mexico
>> and Arizona.
> In Arizona, everything is air-conditioned (I don't know about New
> Mexico).
Now you are just being silly, the Conquistadors didnt bring AC
units with them you know.
Keith
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> Keith W writes:
>> Technique no 1:
>> Thermal Siphoning: open the lowest windows on the side
>> from where the breeze is coming. Leave interior doors open,
>> and open the upstairs windows on the opposite side of the house.
>> The warm air in your house will draw upwards and out the upper window,
> That doesn't help when the air outside is already warmer than the air
> inside.
Which is rarely the case
>> Technique no 2
>> Reduce Solar gain by shading out direct sunlight using overhanging
>> eaves, trees and awnings
> That doesn't help if the ambient air temperature is already too high.
It ALWAYS helps as it prevents heat entering the system, this basic
thermodynamics old boy
>> Technique no 3
>> Use walls with high insulation properties, this will also minimise
>> heat transmission from hot outer walls to the interior
> That doesn't help if it is too hot inside and it's even hotter outside.
>> Technique no 4
>> Convective cooling uses a roof mounted vent or wind turbine
>> and inlet ducts that draw into the house through vents mounted
>> low (preferably under the house) on the shaded side of
>> the property
> That doesn't help when the air outside is already warmer than the air
> inside.
Except that by definition air on the shaded side of the house is
apt to be cooler, sepecially at ground level
>> Many any of the old colonial adobe structures in the US SW
>> use these architectural features to maintain a cool interior
>> even in the heat of summer in places like New Mexico
>> and Arizona.
> In Arizona, everything is air-conditioned (I don't know about New
> Mexico).
Now you are just being silly, the Conquistadors didnt bring AC
units with them you know.
Keith
May 7th 2005, 7:53 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Sat, 07 May 2005 18:41:45 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Sat, 07 May 2005 20:08:44 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
>>writes:
>>> It's not a problem- it's the entire beauty of the system, designed as it
>>> is for the London weather, where hot weather _is_ of a short duration.
>>It won't be of short duration in the future.
>How do you know?
It's the voices in his head again.
11DegC in Zuid Holland.
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Sat, 07 May 2005 20:08:44 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
>>writes:
>>> It's not a problem- it's the entire beauty of the system, designed as it
>>> is for the London weather, where hot weather _is_ of a short duration.
>>It won't be of short duration in the future.
>How do you know?
It's the voices in his head again.
11DegC in Zuid Holland.
May 7th 2005, 7:57 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Sat, 7 May 2005 19:36:01 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2005-05-07 19:08:48 +0200, nitram <[email protected]> said:
>> On Sat, 7 May 2005 17:59:01 +0100, [email protected]
>> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 7 May 2005 17:01:18 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> You returned to Europe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What lesson should we learn from that I wonder ?
>>>>>
>>>>> That he's an intercontinental loser?
>>>>
>>>> Interincontinental loser?
>>>
>>> Anyone with the current edition of Viz, check the Mr. Logic cartoon. It
>>> _so_ reminds me of Mixi arguing about keeping cool in 44 C, for some
>>> reason....
>> LOL it's online
>> http://www.maxim-magazine.co.uk/pict...e_pic_190.jpeg
>ROFLMHBO
>>
>!!
It's almost worth a subscription.
wrote:
>On 2005-05-07 19:08:48 +0200, nitram <[email protected]> said:
>> On Sat, 7 May 2005 17:59:01 +0100, [email protected]
>> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 7 May 2005 17:01:18 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> You returned to Europe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What lesson should we learn from that I wonder ?
>>>>>
>>>>> That he's an intercontinental loser?
>>>>
>>>> Interincontinental loser?
>>>
>>> Anyone with the current edition of Viz, check the Mr. Logic cartoon. It
>>> _so_ reminds me of Mixi arguing about keeping cool in 44 C, for some
>>> reason....
>> LOL it's online
>> http://www.maxim-magazine.co.uk/pict...e_pic_190.jpeg
>ROFLMHBO
>>
>!!
It's almost worth a subscription.
May 7th 2005, 9:07 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
Keith W writes:
> Which is rarely the case
It is increasingly the case.
> It ALWAYS helps as it prevents heat entering the system, this basic
> thermodynamics old boy
Reducing the temperature from 65° to 45° isn't necessarily a useful
improvement.
> Except that by definition air on the shaded side of the house is
> apt to be cooler, sepecially at ground level
It may still be warmer than air inside the house.
> Now you are just being silly, the Conquistadors didnt bring AC
> units with them you know.
They're all dead now.
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> Which is rarely the case
It is increasingly the case.
> It ALWAYS helps as it prevents heat entering the system, this basic
> thermodynamics old boy
Reducing the temperature from 65° to 45° isn't necessarily a useful
improvement.
> Except that by definition air on the shaded side of the house is
> apt to be cooler, sepecially at ground level
It may still be warmer than air inside the house.
> Now you are just being silly, the Conquistadors didnt bring AC
> units with them you know.
They're all dead now.
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May 7th 2005, 9:31 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Sun, 08 May 2005 11:07:46 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> Now you are just being silly, the Conquistadors didnt bring AC
>> units with them you know.
>They're all dead now.
and you believe that they'd be still alive, if they had air
conditioned Armour?
wrote:
>> Now you are just being silly, the Conquistadors didnt bring AC
>> units with them you know.
>They're all dead now.
and you believe that they'd be still alive, if they had air
conditioned Armour?
May 7th 2005, 9:32 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 May 2005 11:07:46 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> >> Now you are just being silly, the Conquistadors didnt bring AC
> >> units with them you know.
> >
> >They're all dead now.
>
> and you believe that they'd be still alive, if they had air
> conditioned Armour?
Forget that. they were gonners already. They didn't have their hiking
boots on!
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> On Sun, 08 May 2005 11:07:46 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> >> Now you are just being silly, the Conquistadors didnt bring AC
> >> units with them you know.
> >
> >They're all dead now.
>
> and you believe that they'd be still alive, if they had air
> conditioned Armour?
Forget that. they were gonners already. They didn't have their hiking
boots on!
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May 7th 2005, 9:49 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
nitram <[email protected]> wrote
in news:[email protected]:
> Can you receive Dutch satellite TV?
Nah, I have cable. German cable companies don't feed a lot of foreign
channels except in near border areas where they have to by law. We get
a lot of shopping and rip-off channels instead, can't waste that
bandwidth for anything useful. The opposite policy of Dutch cable
providers which is much more consumer friendly.
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in news:[email protected]:
> Can you receive Dutch satellite TV?
Nah, I have cable. German cable companies don't feed a lot of foreign
channels except in near border areas where they have to by law. We get
a lot of shopping and rip-off channels instead, can't waste that
bandwidth for anything useful. The opposite policy of Dutch cable
providers which is much more consumer friendly.
Regards
--
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May 7th 2005, 9:50 pm
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[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
o' th' barn and prestwich tesco) wrote in news:1gw7dqo.v66g2j1dihff8N%
[email protected]:
> Have you seen Little Britain yet. Especially if you like AbFab (well,
> the first three series and Wedding 'special'- the subsequent series were
> flat IMO) I think you'll like LB.
Thanks, I'll look into that. As I get no channel here which features
these shows, I depend on DVD imports, so I have to choose carefully.
Regards
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[email protected]:
> Have you seen Little Britain yet. Especially if you like AbFab (well,
> the first three series and Wedding 'special'- the subsequent series were
> flat IMO) I think you'll like LB.
Thanks, I'll look into that. As I get no channel here which features
these shows, I depend on DVD imports, so I have to choose carefully.
Regards
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May 7th 2005, 9:51 pm
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nitram <[email protected]> wrote
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> Don't mention the war.
Why not, it's its birthday today.
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> Don't mention the war.
Why not, it's its birthday today.
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May 7th 2005, 9:57 pm
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The Rev Gaston <[email protected]> wrote in news:3e4chpF14ps4U1
@individual.net:
> On 2005-05-07 19:11:18 +0200, "Gregory Morrow"
><gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@ear thlink.net> said:
>
>>
>> Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
>>
>>> May I humbly remind everyone that Germany started TV broadcasts in
>>> 1935.
>>
>>
>> And even an early form of video conferencing in 1936...
>
> And still in my workplace it takes half an hour to get one started.
>
> "Can you hear me?"
> "Yes, but I can't see you. OK, now I can see you. What about the
> slides? I said 'what about the slides?' Can you hear me?"
Just as in 1936
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@individual.net:
> On 2005-05-07 19:11:18 +0200, "Gregory Morrow"
><gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@ear thlink.net> said:
>
>>
>> Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
>>
>>> May I humbly remind everyone that Germany started TV broadcasts in
>>> 1935.
>>
>>
>> And even an early form of video conferencing in 1936...
>
> And still in my workplace it takes half an hour to get one started.
>
> "Can you hear me?"
> "Yes, but I can't see you. OK, now I can see you. What about the
> slides? I said 'what about the slides?' Can you hear me?"
Just as in 1936
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May 7th 2005, 10:00 pm
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The Rev Gaston <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2005-05-07 20:38:51 +0200, BB <[email protected]> said:
>
> > On Sat, 7 May 2005 18:55:47 +0100, JohnT wrote:
> >> "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
> >
> >>>> Don't mention the war.
> >>>
> >>> Why? You started it!
> >>
> >> In Yorkshire?
> >
> > Fawlty Towers reference, I believe.
>
> Is that another of those US TV shows that we watch all the time in Yerp?
One of the writers was a Mercn, so YES!
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> On 2005-05-07 20:38:51 +0200, BB <[email protected]> said:
>
> > On Sat, 7 May 2005 18:55:47 +0100, JohnT wrote:
> >> "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
> >
> >>>> Don't mention the war.
> >>>
> >>> Why? You started it!
> >>
> >> In Yorkshire?
> >
> > Fawlty Towers reference, I believe.
>
> Is that another of those US TV shows that we watch all the time in Yerp?
One of the writers was a Mercn, so YES!
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May 7th 2005, 10:04 pm
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On Sun, 8 May 2005 10:32:47 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
wrote:
>nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 May 2005 11:07:46 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> Now you are just being silly, the Conquistadors didnt bring AC
>> >> units with them you know.
>> >
>> >They're all dead now.
>>
>> and you believe that they'd be still alive, if they had air
>> conditioned Armour?
>Forget that. they were gonners already. They didn't have their hiking
>boots on!
Nor did they live on McDs, wear shorts and ask for handouts.
A pattern emerges.
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
wrote:
>nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 May 2005 11:07:46 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> Now you are just being silly, the Conquistadors didnt bring AC
>> >> units with them you know.
>> >
>> >They're all dead now.
>>
>> and you believe that they'd be still alive, if they had air
>> conditioned Armour?
>Forget that. they were gonners already. They didn't have their hiking
>boots on!
Nor did they live on McDs, wear shorts and ask for handouts.
A pattern emerges.
