Safety?
Feb 10th 2003, 4:15 pm
#61
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Re: Safety?
In article ,
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> Runge wrote:
> >
> > Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my language
> > Should I say "colored"?
>
> The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> that may change, tomorrow).
You're just full of misinformation, aren't you?
Call someone an Afro-American and you're either gonna get popped in the
nose or laughed at.
The creme de la creme of political correctness is "person of color,"
though "colored person" is highly offensive.
Liberal "thinking," at it's most typical.
Stratos
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> Runge wrote:
> >
> > Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my language
> > Should I say "colored"?
>
> The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> that may change, tomorrow).
You're just full of misinformation, aren't you?
Call someone an Afro-American and you're either gonna get popped in the
nose or laughed at.
The creme de la creme of political correctness is "person of color,"
though "colored person" is highly offensive.
Liberal "thinking," at it's most typical.
Stratos
Feb 10th 2003, 7:09 pm
#62
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Re: Safety?
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:53:40 +0100, "Runge"
wrote:
>You are on a group about Europe...
>So there are a few europeans on it too
Naturally.
>Of course , US english is NOT their mother tongue
>I suppose you think your language is the language of the world
Nope.
Pour votre information, je parle francais. Parlo anche italiano. Dan
ku cakap Bahasa Melayu macam orang kampung betul 25 tahun yang lalu. I
also speak a smattering of various other languages.
>Sooo if you're not tolerant, hard luck!
[snip]
Look, you made a dumb remark. You apparently are ignorant and not
racist, but it might make some sense for you to understand just how
dumb your remark was. You still don't seem to understand that and are
busy claiming that the problem is that I'm intolerant of your remark,
rather than that you made a presumptuous and extremely poorly-phrased
remark that you can be sure most Washingtonians would find extremely
offensive.
It's no-one else's fault that you chose to make a dumb remark about an
American city in this newsgroup. And if I or anyone else makes an
equally ignorant, dumb remark about a European city, you are free to
call them on it.
I guess I was too quick to call you a racist. Ignorant people can
sound like racists without meaning to make racist remarks.
That said, if you and Mr. So-and-So who likes to claim that no-one is
a non-racist want to think me a lousy person, I frankly don't give a
damn. I don't have a personal relationship with every poster here. I'm
here to find out and share useful information and do not start threads
here about off-topic regions of the world. There's entirely too much
off-topic bullshit here, and people should stay on-topic and not post
lots of crap about off-topic stuff they have less than 0 knowledge
about.
Michael
wrote:
>You are on a group about Europe...
>So there are a few europeans on it too
Naturally.
>Of course , US english is NOT their mother tongue
>I suppose you think your language is the language of the world
Nope.
Pour votre information, je parle francais. Parlo anche italiano. Dan
ku cakap Bahasa Melayu macam orang kampung betul 25 tahun yang lalu. I
also speak a smattering of various other languages.
>Sooo if you're not tolerant, hard luck!
[snip]
Look, you made a dumb remark. You apparently are ignorant and not
racist, but it might make some sense for you to understand just how
dumb your remark was. You still don't seem to understand that and are
busy claiming that the problem is that I'm intolerant of your remark,
rather than that you made a presumptuous and extremely poorly-phrased
remark that you can be sure most Washingtonians would find extremely
offensive.
It's no-one else's fault that you chose to make a dumb remark about an
American city in this newsgroup. And if I or anyone else makes an
equally ignorant, dumb remark about a European city, you are free to
call them on it.
I guess I was too quick to call you a racist. Ignorant people can
sound like racists without meaning to make racist remarks.
That said, if you and Mr. So-and-So who likes to claim that no-one is
a non-racist want to think me a lousy person, I frankly don't give a
damn. I don't have a personal relationship with every poster here. I'm
here to find out and share useful information and do not start threads
here about off-topic regions of the world. There's entirely too much
off-topic bullshit here, and people should stay on-topic and not post
lots of crap about off-topic stuff they have less than 0 knowledge
about.
Michael
Feb 10th 2003, 8:05 pm
#63
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Re: Safety?
"hobart xaxinojo" wrote in message news:...
> first of all this person never said they were afraid of being attacked in a
> particular place. perhaps they are just a little hesitant to fly. why is
> this ignorant. if you all believe there is no threat in europe then look a
> few years ago to all the bombings. the fact is americans have become
> targets and too bad if you don't like americans asking about this - then
> dont answer. this is an open forum.
>
Yes, Americans are a target here in Spain. Every year there's a
seriously injured or dead American in San Fermin bullruns. But I'm not
sure wheter it's because bulls are hidden Sadam agents or because
Americans have this special ability to stand where they shouldn't...
(talking about bullruns)
And now a bit more seriously, we have a ETA terrorist attack every two
months (last one this Saturday, with a policeman killed) and never
heard of an American killed. You see, people have their own internal
affairs and problems to worry about, and most don't care at all about
Americans. Really, don't think people in other parts of the world live
obssesed with Americans.
> oh yeah and what makes you think they are american. maybe they are asian or
> african or australian or whatever. fact is some people dont think about
> this kind of thing and others do. so what.
>
> if you do not think there is a danger than take a look at the streets of the
> major european cities for a second. maybe you dont see all the special
> police. maybe you dont see the embassies blocked off. maybe you dont see
> the streets blocked off.
>
Hmmm... I will have a closer look... I don't see any streets blocked,
unless you mean traffic jams... Also, I don't see angry mobs before
embassies or running after Americans.
In general, I think that feelings in Europe is against war and/or
American goverment. There's not an anti-American-people or anti-you
feeling.
> so finally i say to this person cancel the trip if it is not so important to
> you. go some place close to home where you will feel comfortable and have a
> worry free time. after all it is a vacation.
>
If you are paranoid after all, I agree, it's not worth worrying. Stay
at home. Non-paranoid Americans are welcome.
> first of all this person never said they were afraid of being attacked in a
> particular place. perhaps they are just a little hesitant to fly. why is
> this ignorant. if you all believe there is no threat in europe then look a
> few years ago to all the bombings. the fact is americans have become
> targets and too bad if you don't like americans asking about this - then
> dont answer. this is an open forum.
>
Yes, Americans are a target here in Spain. Every year there's a
seriously injured or dead American in San Fermin bullruns. But I'm not
sure wheter it's because bulls are hidden Sadam agents or because
Americans have this special ability to stand where they shouldn't...
(talking about bullruns)
And now a bit more seriously, we have a ETA terrorist attack every two
months (last one this Saturday, with a policeman killed) and never
heard of an American killed. You see, people have their own internal
affairs and problems to worry about, and most don't care at all about
Americans. Really, don't think people in other parts of the world live
obssesed with Americans.
> oh yeah and what makes you think they are american. maybe they are asian or
> african or australian or whatever. fact is some people dont think about
> this kind of thing and others do. so what.
>
> if you do not think there is a danger than take a look at the streets of the
> major european cities for a second. maybe you dont see all the special
> police. maybe you dont see the embassies blocked off. maybe you dont see
> the streets blocked off.
>
Hmmm... I will have a closer look... I don't see any streets blocked,
unless you mean traffic jams... Also, I don't see angry mobs before
embassies or running after Americans.
In general, I think that feelings in Europe is against war and/or
American goverment. There's not an anti-American-people or anti-you
feeling.
> so finally i say to this person cancel the trip if it is not so important to
> you. go some place close to home where you will feel comfortable and have a
> worry free time. after all it is a vacation.
>
If you are paranoid after all, I agree, it's not worth worrying. Stay
at home. Non-paranoid Americans are welcome.
Feb 11th 2003, 12:51 am
#64
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Re: Safety?
In article , Alejandro
writes
>If you are paranoid after all, I agree, it's not worth worrying. Stay
>at home. Non-paranoid Americans are welcome.
Just to let you know: Heathrow is, as of today, patrolled by the army
and there are tanks and APCs parked outside the terminals. It may have
something to do with Eid.
I am in no way a scaredy cat but even I wouldn't use Heathrow for the
time being.
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>If you are paranoid after all, I agree, it's not worth worrying. Stay
>at home. Non-paranoid Americans are welcome.
Just to let you know: Heathrow is, as of today, patrolled by the army
and there are tanks and APCs parked outside the terminals. It may have
something to do with Eid.
I am in no way a scaredy cat but even I wouldn't use Heathrow for the
time being.
--
Marie Lewis
Feb 11th 2003, 1:24 am
#65
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Re: Safety?
"Marie Lewis" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article , Alejandro
> writes
> >If you are paranoid after all, I agree, it's not worth worrying. Stay
> >at home. Non-paranoid Americans are welcome.
> Just to let you know: Heathrow is, as of today, patrolled by the army
> and there are tanks and APCs parked outside the terminals. It may have
> something to do with Eid.
> I am in no way a scaredy cat but even I wouldn't use Heathrow for the
> time being.
Why haven't the Irish terrorists done something at Heathrow in all the years
of the unrest? Or have I forgotten?
news:[email protected]...
> In article , Alejandro
> writes
> >If you are paranoid after all, I agree, it's not worth worrying. Stay
> >at home. Non-paranoid Americans are welcome.
> Just to let you know: Heathrow is, as of today, patrolled by the army
> and there are tanks and APCs parked outside the terminals. It may have
> something to do with Eid.
> I am in no way a scaredy cat but even I wouldn't use Heathrow for the
> time being.
Why haven't the Irish terrorists done something at Heathrow in all the years
of the unrest? Or have I forgotten?
Feb 11th 2003, 2:38 am
#66
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Re: Safety?
In article , R J Carpenter
writes
>Why haven't the Irish terrorists done something at Heathrow in all the years
>of the unrest? Or have I forgotten?
They have planned to, I believe, but the Government sent in the army
just as it has today.
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>Why haven't the Irish terrorists done something at Heathrow in all the years
>of the unrest? Or have I forgotten?
They have planned to, I believe, but the Government sent in the army
just as it has today.
--
Marie Lewis
Feb 11th 2003, 3:27 am
#67
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Re: Terminology?
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
> Runge wrote:
>
>>Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my language
>>Should I say "colored"?
> The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> that may change, tomorrow).
The problem there is that it should also be applied to whites from South
Africa or Zimbabwe or the Mediterranean area who immigrate to the US.
Kinda like we should use Native American not Hispanic for the Indios who
come north.
Frank Matthews
snip
>
> Runge wrote:
>
>>Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my language
>>Should I say "colored"?
> The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> that may change, tomorrow).
The problem there is that it should also be applied to whites from South
Africa or Zimbabwe or the Mediterranean area who immigrate to the US.
Kinda like we should use Native American not Hispanic for the Indios who
come north.
Frank Matthews
snip
Feb 11th 2003, 6:34 am
#68
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Re: Safety?
In article ,
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> Runge wrote:
> >
> > Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my language
> > Should I say "colored"?
>
> The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> that may change, tomorrow).
definitely NOT Afro-American which went out some time in the 70s and is
considered more offensive than black today -- at the moment polls show
American blacks to be equally divided in preferring African-American and
black.
>
> > Anyway I would have thought real travellers could understand the differences
> > in languages and the fact that non US citizens don't always write and talk
> > like people in kansas...
>
> Which is why most of us see no reason to criticize spelling and grammar,
> here (unless the poster is American - they SHOULD know their own
> language, but often do not). Whatever errors our European posters may
> make, they are posting intelligibly in what is for them a foreign
> language. Comparatively few Americans are able to do the same in any
> European language.
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> Runge wrote:
> >
> > Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my language
> > Should I say "colored"?
>
> The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> that may change, tomorrow).
definitely NOT Afro-American which went out some time in the 70s and is
considered more offensive than black today -- at the moment polls show
American blacks to be equally divided in preferring African-American and
black.
>
> > Anyway I would have thought real travellers could understand the differences
> > in languages and the fact that non US citizens don't always write and talk
> > like people in kansas...
>
> Which is why most of us see no reason to criticize spelling and grammar,
> here (unless the poster is American - they SHOULD know their own
> language, but often do not). Whatever errors our European posters may
> make, they are posting intelligibly in what is for them a foreign
> language. Comparatively few Americans are able to do the same in any
> European language.
Feb 11th 2003, 7:31 am
#69
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Re: Safety?
Ok go back to bed and take your pills
"Pan" a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:53:40 +0100, "Runge"
> wrote:
> >You are on a group about Europe...
> >So there are a few europeans on it too
> Naturally.
> >Of course , US english is NOT their mother tongue
> >I suppose you think your language is the language of the world
> Nope.
> Pour votre information, je parle francais. Parlo anche italiano. Dan
> ku cakap Bahasa Melayu macam orang kampung betul 25 tahun yang lalu. I
> also speak a smattering of various other languages.
> >Sooo if you're not tolerant, hard luck!
> [snip]
> Look, you made a dumb remark. You apparently are ignorant and not
> racist, but it might make some sense for you to understand just how
> dumb your remark was. You still don't seem to understand that and are
> busy claiming that the problem is that I'm intolerant of your remark,
> rather than that you made a presumptuous and extremely poorly-phrased
> remark that you can be sure most Washingtonians would find extremely
> offensive.
> It's no-one else's fault that you chose to make a dumb remark about an
> American city in this newsgroup. And if I or anyone else makes an
> equally ignorant, dumb remark about a European city, you are free to
> call them on it.
> I guess I was too quick to call you a racist. Ignorant people can
> sound like racists without meaning to make racist remarks.
> That said, if you and Mr. So-and-So who likes to claim that no-one is
> a non-racist want to think me a lousy person, I frankly don't give a
> damn. I don't have a personal relationship with every poster here. I'm
> here to find out and share useful information and do not start threads
> here about off-topic regions of the world. There's entirely too much
> off-topic bullshit here, and people should stay on-topic and not post
> lots of crap about off-topic stuff they have less than 0 knowledge
> about.
> Michael
"Pan" a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:53:40 +0100, "Runge"
> wrote:
> >You are on a group about Europe...
> >So there are a few europeans on it too
> Naturally.
> >Of course , US english is NOT their mother tongue
> >I suppose you think your language is the language of the world
> Nope.
> Pour votre information, je parle francais. Parlo anche italiano. Dan
> ku cakap Bahasa Melayu macam orang kampung betul 25 tahun yang lalu. I
> also speak a smattering of various other languages.
> >Sooo if you're not tolerant, hard luck!
> [snip]
> Look, you made a dumb remark. You apparently are ignorant and not
> racist, but it might make some sense for you to understand just how
> dumb your remark was. You still don't seem to understand that and are
> busy claiming that the problem is that I'm intolerant of your remark,
> rather than that you made a presumptuous and extremely poorly-phrased
> remark that you can be sure most Washingtonians would find extremely
> offensive.
> It's no-one else's fault that you chose to make a dumb remark about an
> American city in this newsgroup. And if I or anyone else makes an
> equally ignorant, dumb remark about a European city, you are free to
> call them on it.
> I guess I was too quick to call you a racist. Ignorant people can
> sound like racists without meaning to make racist remarks.
> That said, if you and Mr. So-and-So who likes to claim that no-one is
> a non-racist want to think me a lousy person, I frankly don't give a
> damn. I don't have a personal relationship with every poster here. I'm
> here to find out and share useful information and do not start threads
> here about off-topic regions of the world. There's entirely too much
> off-topic bullshit here, and people should stay on-topic and not post
> lots of crap about off-topic stuff they have less than 0 knowledge
> about.
> Michael
Feb 11th 2003, 7:32 am
#70
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Re: Safety?
Thanks Evelyn
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" a écrit dans le
message de news: [email protected]...
> Runge wrote:
> >
> > Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my
language
> > Should I say "colored"?
> The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> that may change, tomorrow).
> > Anyway I would have thought real travellers could understand the
differences
> > in languages and the fact that non US citizens don't always write and
talk
> > like people in kansas...
> Which is why most of us see no reason to criticize spelling and grammar,
> here (unless the poster is American - they SHOULD know their own
> language, but often do not). Whatever errors our European posters may
> make, they are posting intelligibly in what is for them a foreign
> language. Comparatively few Americans are able to do the same in any
> European language.
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" a écrit dans le
message de news: [email protected]...
> Runge wrote:
> >
> > Ohhhh yeah OK I said black, well its the direct translation from my
language
> > Should I say "colored"?
> The "proper" term changes (sometimes from day to day). There was a time
> when "black" was considered an insult, and "negro" was the proper word.
> Then the correct word was "colored", then it revolved back to "black"
> again - now I think the politically correct term is "Afro-American" (but
> that may change, tomorrow).
> > Anyway I would have thought real travellers could understand the
differences
> > in languages and the fact that non US citizens don't always write and
talk
> > like people in kansas...
> Which is why most of us see no reason to criticize spelling and grammar,
> here (unless the poster is American - they SHOULD know their own
> language, but often do not). Whatever errors our European posters may
> make, they are posting intelligibly in what is for them a foreign
> language. Comparatively few Americans are able to do the same in any
> European language.
Feb 11th 2003, 8:39 am
#71
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Re: Safety?
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>Whatever errors our European posters may make, they are posting
intelligibly in what is for them a >foreign language. Comparatively few
Americans are able to do the same in any European language.
Maybe that should be "a European language other than English" :-)
Jonathan
news:[email protected]...
>Whatever errors our European posters may make, they are posting
intelligibly in what is for them a >foreign language. Comparatively few
Americans are able to do the same in any European language.
Maybe that should be "a European language other than English" :-)
Jonathan
Feb 11th 2003, 8:56 am
#72
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Re: Safety?
"Jonathan Morton" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >Whatever errors our European posters may make, they are posting
> intelligibly in what is for them a >foreign language. Comparatively few
> Americans are able to do the same in any European language.
> Maybe that should be "a European language other than English" :-)
> Jonathan
No. She meant what she said.
JohnT
news:[email protected]...
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >Whatever errors our European posters may make, they are posting
> intelligibly in what is for them a >foreign language. Comparatively few
> Americans are able to do the same in any European language.
> Maybe that should be "a European language other than English" :-)
> Jonathan
No. She meant what she said.
JohnT
Feb 11th 2003, 9:32 am
#73
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Re: Safety?
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:56:32 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "JohnT"
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... "Jonathan Morton" wrote in message
... news:[email protected]...
... > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
... > news:[email protected]...
... >
... > >Whatever errors our European posters may make, they are posting
... > intelligibly in what is for them a >foreign language. Comparatively few
... > Americans are able to do the same in any European language.
... >
... > Maybe that should be "a European language other than English" :-)
... >
... > Jonathan
... >
... >
...
... No. She meant what she said.
...
... JohnT
She meant that Americans don't speak English. That's quite right, dixit Professor Higgins.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... "Jonathan Morton" wrote in message
... news:[email protected]...
... > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
... > news:[email protected]...
... >
... > >Whatever errors our European posters may make, they are posting
... > intelligibly in what is for them a >foreign language. Comparatively few
... > Americans are able to do the same in any European language.
... >
... > Maybe that should be "a European language other than English" :-)
... >
... > Jonathan
... >
... >
...
... No. She meant what she said.
...
... JohnT
She meant that Americans don't speak English. That's quite right, dixit Professor Higgins.
Feb 11th 2003, 12:18 pm
#74
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Re: Safety?
"kyle" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Belguim(what a useless piece of land!)
Obviously you've yet to try any of their beers...
Richard
news:[email protected]...
> Belguim(what a useless piece of land!)
Obviously you've yet to try any of their beers...
Richard
Feb 11th 2003, 2:40 pm
#75
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Re: Safety?
Richard wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "kyle" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Belguim(what a useless piece of land!)
> Obviously you've yet to try any of their beers...
Bring out the Hoegaarden, Leff, and any of that crazy chocolate beer, I say!
---
DFM
> "kyle" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Belguim(what a useless piece of land!)
> Obviously you've yet to try any of their beers...
Bring out the Hoegaarden, Leff, and any of that crazy chocolate beer, I say!
---
DFM
