Pan

On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:18:48 -0800, "Peter L"
wrote:

    >"Pan" wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:47:26 -0500, "kyle"
    >> wrote:
    >> >My wife and I scheduled for a group tour of Europe, next month.
    >Considering
    >> >cancelling because of all the security threats. Any opinions on this?
    >> Yeah. My specific thought for you is to go and stop worrying.
    >> My general thought is that I'm getting tired of the number of
    >> Americans posting this kind of message. Nothing personal to you, but
    >> it's silly at best. There is no logical reason I can think of for
    >> anyone to believe that there's more risk of terrorism in Europe than
    >> the U.S. I wish people would stop posting questions like these, and I
    >> consider them to be ignorant questions.

    >Not just Americans posting this type of messages, but also Europeans posting
    >similar messages in rec.travel.usa-canada.

I haven't noticed such posts in r.t.usa-canada, but I'll check again
today. FWIW, I can understand such posts by Europeans about the U.S.
as a target better than vice versa.

Michael

Pan

On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 21:49:25 +0100, "Runge" wrote:

[snip]
    >Now if you feel verrry brave, make the trip and you'll see there's a life
    >beyond your block
    >If you don't, stay well tucked in the middle of the States : I suggest, let
    >me see...Buffalo city center, Detroit downtown, LA downtown at night,
    >Brooklyn or some parts of New Jersey...
    >Oh, maybe that nice place in Washington, you know the black district?
[snip]

That's most of the city, you racist fool! DC is 70% black, and most of
it is safe to walk through. I walked through DC day and night for a
week without any problems.

Michael

Desmond Coughlan

le Sat, 08 Feb 2003 03:46:24 GMT, dans l'article , Pan a dit ...

    >>Now if you feel verrry brave, make the trip and you'll see there's a life
    >>beyond your block If you don't, stay well tucked in the middle of the
    >>States : I suggest, let me see...Buffalo city center, Detroit downtown,
    >>LA downtown at night, Brooklyn or some parts of New Jersey... Oh, maybe
    >>that nice place in Washington, you know the black district?

    > That's most of the city, you racist fool! DC is 70% black, and most of it
    > is safe to walk through. I walked through DC day and night for a week
    > without any problems.

I bet you were tired at the end of the week .........

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Evelynvogtgamble

Irwell wrote:
    >
    > On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:58:16 +1100, "David Bennetts" wrote:
    >

    > Remember Victor Stallone (tough guy Rambo) cancelling'
    > his trip to the Cannes Film Festival? Gulf War

Don't you mean "Sylvester" Stallone? FWIW, several European opera
singers with scheduled appearances in the U.S. in the autumn of 2001
cancelled in the wake of 11 September, too. (But most of those worth
hearing honored their obligations.)

Evelynvogtgamble

"JimS." wrote:
    >
    > "Richard" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "kyle" wrote in message
    > > news:AdD0a.5043$ry3.1831@FE06...
    > > > My wife and I scheduled for a group tour of Europe, next month.
    > > Considering
    > > > cancelling because of all the security threats. Any opinions on this?
    > >
    > > What security threats?
    > >
    > > Richard
    > >
    > Yeah, what security threats? The ones at home or abroad?
    > Go on vacation. If you disrupt your life, the ****ers win.

Exactly! (Not exactly the way I'd have phrased it, but true,
nonetheless.)

Evelynvogtgamble

    > ellie clemens wrote:
    >
    > Yeah, there sure seems to be a lot of that going around her in the
    > U.S. I'm leaving for France in about 6 weeks and I wish it were
    > tomorrow! I'd much rather be in Europe than here when our fearless
    > cowboy in the white house gets this war he so excited about.
    >
    > I think the leaders who decide to go to war should be leading the
    > first line of troops going in. Might make them think a bit more. I
    > they are the type for whom thinking is possible, that is...

Better still, make the politicians duke it out bare-handed, instead of
sending others to fight their battles for them!

    >
    > Ellie
    >
    > Fustanella wrote:
    >
    > >> My general thought is that I'm getting tired of the number of
    > >> Americans posting this kind of message. Nothing personal to you,
    > >> but
    > >> it's silly at best. There is no logical reason I can think of for
    > >>
    > >>
    > > It's being drummed into their heads as part of the pre-war game -
    > > America
    > > good, Europe not so good but still good-ish, Middle East bad.
    > > Lovely, ain't
    > > it?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
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    >
    > http://www.ellieclemens.com
    >
    > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president
    > or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong
    > is not only unpatriotic and servile,
    > but is morally treasonable to the American public."
    >
    > Theodore Roosevelt

Pan

On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 03:46:31 +0000, Desmond Coughlan
wrote:

    >le Sat, 08 Feb 2003 03:46:24 GMT, dans l'article , Pan a dit ...
    >>>Now if you feel verrry brave, make the trip and you'll see there's a life
    >>>beyond your block If you don't, stay well tucked in the middle of the
    >>>States : I suggest, let me see...Buffalo city center, Detroit downtown,
    >>>LA downtown at night, Brooklyn or some parts of New Jersey... Oh, maybe
    >>>that nice place in Washington, you know the black district?
    >> That's most of the city, you racist fool! DC is 70% black, and most of it
    >> is safe to walk through. I walked through DC day and night for a week
    >> without any problems.
    >I bet you were tired at the end of the week .........

Not really, though I walked about 6 miles on a day with 98F (almost
37C) temperatures (but mostly in the shade). :-)

Yes, I get the joke. :-)

Michael

Miguel Cruz

Pan wrote:
    > That's most of the city, you racist fool! DC is 70% black, and most of
    > it is safe to walk through. I walked through DC day and night for a
    > week without any problems.

I walked through DC day and night for 4 years so far without any problems.

miguel
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Runge

Well believe what you want to believe
Arrogant to you seems to be when we don't follow everything you want us to
follow...
Tough luck

"Charles Hawtrey" a écrit dans le message de news:
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    > On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 01:09:20 +0100, "Runge" wrote:
    > >Now the problem my friend is that people like you make believe your
fellow
    > >countrymen, at least some of them that you are superior...no one is and
    > >certainly not you...
    > Uh, don't take this the wrong way, but having a Frenchman lecture you
    > about arrogance is a bit like Michael Jackson calling you a weirdo...
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Runge

can you read?
i'm no more a racist than u are
read the post again

"Pan" a écrit dans le message de news:
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    > On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 21:49:25 +0100, "Runge" wrote:
    > [snip]
    > >Now if you feel verrry brave, make the trip and you'll see there's a life
    > >beyond your block
    > >If you don't, stay well tucked in the middle of the States : I suggest,
let
    > >me see...Buffalo city center, Detroit downtown, LA downtown at night,
    > >Brooklyn or some parts of New Jersey...
    > >Oh, maybe that nice place in Washington, you know the black district?
    > [snip]
    > That's most of the city, you racist fool! DC is 70% black, and most of
    > it is safe to walk through. I walked through DC day and night for a
    > week without any problems.
    > Michael

Runge

Wus talking about Anacostia or sumthin like it
And I was told NOT to walk around there...by an american racist?
he didn't say don't go cos its black, he sais don't go cos it's dangerous.
Oh well


"Miguel Cruz" a écrit dans le message de news:
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    > Pan wrote:
    > > That's most of the city, you racist fool! DC is 70% black, and most of
    > > it is safe to walk through. I walked through DC day and night for a
    > > week without any problems.
    > I walked through DC day and night for 4 years so far without any problems.
    > miguel
    > --
    > Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

Tandp

Runge schrieb:
    >
    > A GROUP tour?? And you feel threatened?
    > Well, first ask yourself why your nationality should have to do something
    > with that kind of feeling...
    > Then, try and consider the world differently than your local shopping zone
    > Stop listening to all that propaganda : you're watching too much Trash TV !!
    > Look at the map : you'll notice that Iraq is a long long way from Europe
    > Now if you feel verrry brave, make the trip and you'll see there's a life
    > beyond your block
    > If you don't, stay well tucked in the middle of the States : I suggest, let
    > me see...Buffalo city center, Detroit downtown, LA downtown at night,
    > Brooklyn or some parts of New Jersey...
    > Oh, maybe that nice place in Washington, you know the black district?
    > or those shopping centers where people fire guns on you...
    > How about those nice dark streets in SF full of beggars at night??
    >

Over 2 million people are imprisoned in the United States, nearly 1% of
the population.
This figure is 7 times higher than the rate in Canada and nearly 10
times higher than most European countries. See 2001 statistics at
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/r166.pdf for example.
Does this prove that the USA is safer than Europe?
Think about it.

Tom

    > Of course as a gentleman pointed out, maybe you're not a US citizen...but I
    > bet you are!!!
    > ;-))
    > No hard feelings, but that was a real stupid question.
    > Who told you about security threats?
    > There will be one soon in Iraq, but never mind : the Iraqis don't travel too
    > much these days so they'll be in good place to enjoy the fireworks.
    >
    > "kyle" a écrit dans le message de news:
    > AdD0a.5043$ry3.1831@FE06...
    > > My wife and I scheduled for a group tour of Europe, next month.
    > Considering
    > > cancelling because of all the security threats. Any opinions on this?
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > >
    > >

roada3

There is some security warning we are supposed to be given if it is
unsafe to travel and I have not heard or read of any at this point.
We can't live our lives constantly in anxiety because governments can't
settle their problems without battling it out in a "War". Last night on
the news they were saying Americans should go on with their life and
travel plans as usual. Of course this is after they try to frighten us
with raising their "Terrorist" code to "orange". It's like saying
"Your house is on fire but just continue to watch your favorite tv
program and pretend all is well". What a crock!

Mary

Miguel Cruz

Runge wrote:
    > "Miguel Cruz" a écrit:
    >> Pan wrote:
    >>> That's most of the city, you racist fool! DC is 70% black, and most of
    >>> it is safe to walk through. I walked through DC day and night for a week
    >>> without any problems.
    >> I walked through DC day and night for 4 years so far without any problems.
    > Wus talking about Anacostia or sumthin like it And I was told NOT to walk
    > around there...by an american racist? he didn't say don't go cos its
    > black, he sais don't go cos it's dangerous.

If you were told not to walk there at all, the person was probably a tad
ridiculous (and/or lived in the suburbs). If you were told not to wander
around there looking lost and wearing a giant gold pocketwatch at 3am, then
that was sensible advice.

miguel
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Miguel Cruz

tandp wrote:
    > Over 2 million people are imprisoned in the United States, nearly 1% of
    > the population.
    > This figure is 7 times higher than the rate in Canada and nearly 10
    > times higher than most European countries. See 2001 statistics at
    > http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/r166.pdf for example.
    > Does this prove that the USA is safer than Europe?
    > Think about it.

I don't think it proves anything either way. Maybe they locked up all the
dangerous people. Maybe there are far more dangerous people and they've only
scratched the surface. How can you tell from that information?

miguel
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