>"JennyC" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote
>>> >>I expect ALL European countries will follow suit before too long.
>>Seems only fair really..............
>
> Hi Jenny, welcome!

I'm not sure I have the right to post here - I drive less than 10.000 Km per
year and last year only went to visit friends in France twice.....

Are there set criteria for rec.travel ?

Jenny "~)

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:39:04 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "JennyC"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

...
... >"JennyC" <[email protected]> wrote:
... >>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote
... >>> >>I expect ALL European countries will follow suit before too long.
... >>Seems only fair really..............
... >
... > Hi Jenny, welcome!
...
... I'm not sure I have the right to post here - I drive less than 10.000 Km per
... year and last year only went to visit friends in France twice.....
...
... Are there set criteria for rec.travel ?

No. I don't even drive!

On Jan 13, 6:31 pm, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 13 Jan 2007 09:14:38 -0800, "J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jan 13, 5:47 pm, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On 13 Jan 2007 08:35:31 -0800, "J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >On Jan 13, 5:22 pm, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> On 13 Jan 2007 08:15:53 -0800, "J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Jan 13, 5:04 pm, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> On 13 Jan 2007 07:51:48 -0800, "J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >On Jan 13, 4:40 pm, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett) wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:57:20 -0000, "tim....." <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> > >"J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > >news:[email protected] roups.com...
> >> >> >> >> > >>http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>
> >> >> >> >> > >> However, foreign residents will have no such luck.
> >> >> >> >> > >> Dutch say that measure is "discriminatory"
> >> >> >> >> > >> A Dutch tourist enjoying his holiday
> >> >> >> >> > >> The Dutch have said that they intend to raise the issue with the
> >> >> >> >> > >> European Commission, as they feel that the new motorway tax
> >> >> >> >> > >> discriminates against their motorists.
>
> >> >> >> >> > >This seems fair in principle to me.
>
> >> >> >> >> > >The Belgian population pay for the construction of Belgium's
> >> >> >> >> > >roads through their taxes, other national's do not.
>
> >> >> >> >> > >It thus seems fair that some way of charging those other
> >> >> >> >> > >nationals is perfectly reasonable.
>
> >> >> >> >> > >(whether a fixed 60 Euro annual charge is a reasonable way
> >> >> >> >> > >of charging is another matter)
>
> >> >> >> >> > The Dutch won't make much if they charge Belgians to use their motorways.The Dutch will probably just charge all foreigners for using their
> >> >> >> >> crappy motorways :-(
>
> >> >> >> >> B;
>
> >> >> >> >Austria and Switzerland already do and France and Italy and ...
> >> >> >> --
>
> >> >> >> Martin
>
> >> >> >so just put it on petrol and relieve the non car owners of the tax
> >> >> >burden (and scrap the road tax disc)There is no road tax disk in NL.
>
> >> >> The tax is on vehicles using motorways. How does this effect non car owners?
> >> >...I was expanding the argument.....Do go ahead and explain :-)
>
> >> The Dutch are good at getting rid of silly taxes.
> >> Road tax disk gone.
> >> TV license gone
> >> Boat tax never implemented.
> >> --
>
> >> Martin
>
> >tv license also gone hereProbably elsewhere too. It is stupid taxing things separately when most of the
> population use a facility.
> --
>
> Martin

technology changes that

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:39:04 +0100, "JennyC" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>>"JennyC" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> >>I expect ALL European countries will follow suit before too long.
>>>Seems only fair really..............
>>
>> Hi Jenny, welcome!
>
>I'm not sure I have the right to post here - I drive less than 10.000 Km per
>year and last year only went to visit friends in France twice.....
>
>Are there set criteria for rec.travel ?

I drove about the same and didn't visit France once.
--

Martin

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:20:40 +0900, "gerrit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >
> >I thought I read somewhere that one of the guiding principles of the EC
is
> >that access should be the same for each and every citizen.
> >So if the Belgians charge their citizens the same tax then no one can
> >complain.
>
> The Belgians pay for their roads with their road tax. The Dutch pay
nothing for
> using Belgian roads.
> --
>
>
And the Germans pay nothing for using Dutch roads.
That's the whole thing about being in a community. You pay your own bit and
can benefit from others paying theirs.

Gerrit

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:31:56 +0900, "gerrit" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >BTW when I next come to Europe I intend to lease a car from CDG and drive
to
> >Vlissingen. The leased vehicle will be registered in my name and
Australian
> >address. Will the Belgians try to chase me for any fine if they catch me?
>
> Any unpaid fines will be paid by the leasing company, who will deduct them
from
> your credit card. Better not to incur a fine.
> --
>
There is no mention of the leasing company on the registration papers of the
leased cars you get from Renault.
So the only address is mine here in Australia.
Hence my question: will the Belgian authorities chase me all the way to Oz?

Gerrit

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:57:28 +0900, "gerrit" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:20:40 +0900, "gerrit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >I thought I read somewhere that one of the guiding principles of the EC
>is
>> >that access should be the same for each and every citizen.
>> >So if the Belgians charge their citizens the same tax then no one can
>> >complain.
>>
>> The Belgians pay for their roads with their road tax. The Dutch pay
>nothing for
>> using Belgian roads.

>And the Germans pay nothing for using Dutch roads.

At the moment.

>That's the whole thing about being in a community. You pay your own bit and
>can benefit from others paying theirs.

The arrangement between NL and Belgium is one sided.
--

Martin

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:11:36 +0900, "gerrit" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:31:56 +0900, "gerrit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >BTW when I next come to Europe I intend to lease a car from CDG and drive
>to
>> >Vlissingen. The leased vehicle will be registered in my name and
>Australian
>> >address. Will the Belgians try to chase me for any fine if they catch me?
>>
>> Any unpaid fines will be paid by the leasing company, who will deduct them
>from
>> your credit card. Better not to incur a fine.
>> --
>>
>There is no mention of the leasing company on the registration papers of the
>leased cars you get from Renault.

and the car is registered totally anonymously?

>So the only address is mine here in Australia.

Better believe it. I don't. :-)

>Hence my question: will the Belgian authorities chase me all the way to Oz?

Better stay at home and save them the trouble of killing you.
--

Martin

On Jan 15, 1:57 am, "gerrit" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:jvfkq29hmqtqkhsuc3elf0163tk0hpe5dt@4ax .com...
>
> > On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:20:40 +0900, "gerrit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >I thought I read somewhere that one of the guiding principles of the EC
> is
> > >that access should be the same for each and every citizen.
> > >So if the Belgians charge their citizens the same tax then no one can
> > >complain.
>
> > The Belgians pay for their roads with their road tax. The Dutch pay
> nothing for
> > using Belgian roads.
> > --And the Germans pay nothing for using Dutch roads.
> That's the whole thing about being in a community. You pay your own bit and
> can benefit from others paying theirs.
>
> Gerrit

....unlike the farmers then.......

On 15 Jan 2007 02:46:12 -0800, "J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>On Jan 15, 1:57 am, "gerrit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:jvfkq29hmqtqkhsuc3elf0163tk0hpe5dt@4ax .com...
>>
>> > On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:20:40 +0900, "gerrit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > >I thought I read somewhere that one of the guiding principles of the EC
>> is
>> > >that access should be the same for each and every citizen.
>> > >So if the Belgians charge their citizens the same tax then no one can
>> > >complain.
>>
>> > The Belgians pay for their roads with their road tax. The Dutch pay
>> nothing for
>> > using Belgian roads.
>> > --And the Germans pay nothing for using Dutch roads.
>> That's the whole thing about being in a community. You pay your own bit and
>> can benefit from others paying theirs.
>>
>> Gerrit
>
>....unlike the farmers then.......

and most others milking the EU cow.
Why can't they subsidise the production of good quality beef?
--

Martin

Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :

>It's about time they did something about drunken driving in Belgium.

It should be made compulsory.
--
Tim C.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:55:44 +0100, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:

>Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
>
>>It's about time they did something about drunken driving in Belgium.
>
>It should be made compulsory.

It looks as if it already is..

They might at least go home sober and not drink my good whisky, when I am not
looking.
Watch out for a mad Australian, who doesn't believe in paying to use motorways,
being pursued by the police of 7 countries.
--

Martin

gerrit wrote:

> That's the whole thing about being in a community. You pay your own bit and
> can benefit from others paying theirs.

The Dutch are not in a good position to lecture others about community
behaviour. It took a court case for them even to allow other EU
nationals to trade their drivers licence for a NL licence, and they
still don't fully allow it.

B;

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:55:44 +0100, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
> >
> >>It's about time they did something about drunken driving in Belgium.
> >
> >It should be made compulsory.
>
> It looks as if it already is..
>
> They might at least go home sober and not drink my good whisky, when I am
not
> looking.
> Watch out for a mad Australian, who doesn't believe in paying to use
motorways,
> being pursued by the police of 7 countries.
> --
>
> Martin
>

At least he won't be intoxicated.

Maybe other drivers should watch out for the cops who may/will be!

Gerrit :-) - who bought a vignet in Switzerland when he went there

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:11:36 +0900, "gerrit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected].. .
> >> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:31:56 +0900, "gerrit" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >BTW when I next come to Europe I intend to lease a car from CDG and
drive
> >to
> >> >Vlissingen. The leased vehicle will be registered in my name and
> >Australian
> >> >address. Will the Belgians try to chase me for any fine if they catch
me?
> >>
> >> Any unpaid fines will be paid by the leasing company, who will deduct
them
> >from
> >> your credit card. Better not to incur a fine.
> >> --
> >>
> >There is no mention of the leasing company on the registration papers of
the
> >leased cars you get from Renault.
>
> and the car is registered totally anonymously?
>
> >So the only address is mine here in Australia.
>
> Better believe it. I don't. :-)
>
> >Hence my question: will the Belgian authorities chase me all the way to
Oz?
>
> Better stay at home and save them the trouble of killing you.
> --
>
> Martin
>

I have leased on three different occasions and believe me the vehicle is
registered in my name and with my address.

Gerrit