How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Jun 11th 2003, 1:07 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:15:58 GMT, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>poldy wrote:
>> Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
>This group isn't limited to paranoid Americans.
LOL. Love it!
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>poldy wrote:
>> Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
>This group isn't limited to paranoid Americans.
LOL. Love it!
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Jun 11th 2003, 3:47 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
poldy wrote:
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> Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
Must that mean interest in it is too? Why?
>
> Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
Must that mean interest in it is too? Why?
Jun 11th 2003, 3:50 am
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Magda wrote:
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> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:08:37 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, poldy arranged
> some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
>
> Only in your dreams.
Maybe HIS dreams - I'd be inclined to call them nightmares.
>
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:08:37 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, poldy arranged
> some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
>
> Only in your dreams.
Maybe HIS dreams - I'd be inclined to call them nightmares.
Jun 11th 2003, 8:28 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Following up to poldy
>Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
*US* travel is said to be, with lots of cheap flights about i'm taking
more trips than ever.
If what I just read in another thread is true, (that US tend to only
have 2 weeks leave a year), then it must be a smallish percentage of
the whole anyway. If Spain is anything to go by, I hardly ever meet
any Americans there, now or in the past. Europe is after all a long
way from America.
Hang on, your header says "traffic" here not "travel" ! That includes
a few grammatical pedants boldly going on about split hairs, but
mainly right wing US idiots abusing France etc in dozens of ridiculous
threads, not to mention the odd arcane argument about how aircon
works, in other words a typical newsgroup.
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Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
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>Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
*US* travel is said to be, with lots of cheap flights about i'm taking
more trips than ever.
If what I just read in another thread is true, (that US tend to only
have 2 weeks leave a year), then it must be a smallish percentage of
the whole anyway. If Spain is anything to go by, I hardly ever meet
any Americans there, now or in the past. Europe is after all a long
way from America.
Hang on, your header says "traffic" here not "travel" ! That includes
a few grammatical pedants boldly going on about split hairs, but
mainly right wing US idiots abusing France etc in dozens of ridiculous
threads, not to mention the odd arcane argument about how aircon
works, in other words a typical newsgroup.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
Jun 11th 2003, 8:45 am
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
Mason Barge wrote in message
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> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:08:37 GMT, poldy wrote:
> >Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
> That doesn't limit the amount of mindless Off-Topic US-bashing. Just
witness
> the responses to your post.
> --
> "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please
bring me some coffee."
> - Abraham Lincoln
I counted the number of mindless off-topic US bashing responses, and there
were, er, none.
I think you just proved the bit about paranoid Americans
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> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:08:37 GMT, poldy wrote:
> >Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
> That doesn't limit the amount of mindless Off-Topic US-bashing. Just
witness
> the responses to your post.
> --
> "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please
bring me some coffee."
> - Abraham Lincoln
I counted the number of mindless off-topic US bashing responses, and there
were, er, none.
I think you just proved the bit about paranoid Americans
Jun 11th 2003, 9:13 am
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"The Reid" wrote in message
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not to mention the odd arcane argument about how aircon
> works,
But that was interesting!
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not to mention the odd arcane argument about how aircon
> works,
But that was interesting!
Jun 11th 2003, 10:41 am
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The Reid writes:
> If what I just read in another thread is true,
> (that US tend to only have 2 weeks leave a year) ...
It is. Furthermore, in the United States, you don't get two weeks a
year to start--you have to work up to it in many companies (there is no
legal minimum, so you may not get anything at all). Some companies give
three or four weeks ... after _thirty years_ with the company!
> ... then it must be a smallish percentage of
> the whole anyway.
It's hard to go anywhere with only ten days of vacation per year, that's
true.
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> If what I just read in another thread is true,
> (that US tend to only have 2 weeks leave a year) ...
It is. Furthermore, in the United States, you don't get two weeks a
year to start--you have to work up to it in many companies (there is no
legal minimum, so you may not get anything at all). Some companies give
three or four weeks ... after _thirty years_ with the company!
> ... then it must be a smallish percentage of
> the whole anyway.
It's hard to go anywhere with only ten days of vacation per year, that's
true.
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Jun 11th 2003, 12:26 pm
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>It is. Furthermore, in the United States, you don't get two weeks a
>year to start--you have to work up to it in many companies (there is no
>legal minimum, so you may not get anything at all). Some companies give
>three or four weeks ... after _thirty years_ with the company!
>> ... then it must be a smallish percentage of
>> the whole anyway.
>It's hard to go anywhere with only ten days of vacation per year, that's
>true.
Work up to two weeks!! If I hadnt read all the protestant work ethic
stuff I would have found this incredible. Mind you, there is some
downward pressure on leave here in UK. Maybe from US companies.
I would feel more like a slave than an employee with 2- weeks leave.
So most of the US people touring Europe do it between jobs or after
retirement?
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Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>It is. Furthermore, in the United States, you don't get two weeks a
>year to start--you have to work up to it in many companies (there is no
>legal minimum, so you may not get anything at all). Some companies give
>three or four weeks ... after _thirty years_ with the company!
>> ... then it must be a smallish percentage of
>> the whole anyway.
>It's hard to go anywhere with only ten days of vacation per year, that's
>true.
Work up to two weeks!! If I hadnt read all the protestant work ethic
stuff I would have found this incredible. Mind you, there is some
downward pressure on leave here in UK. Maybe from US companies.
I would feel more like a slave than an employee with 2- weeks leave.
So most of the US people touring Europe do it between jobs or after
retirement?
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
Jun 11th 2003, 1:14 pm
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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> The Reid writes:
> > If what I just read in another thread is true,
> > (that US tend to only have 2 weeks leave a year) ...
> It is. Furthermore, in the United States, you don't get two weeks a
> year to start--you have to work up to it in many companies (there is no
> legal minimum, so you may not get anything at all). Some companies give
> three or four weeks ... after _thirty years_ with the company!
eeek!
I get six weeks ;-)
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> The Reid writes:
> > If what I just read in another thread is true,
> > (that US tend to only have 2 weeks leave a year) ...
> It is. Furthermore, in the United States, you don't get two weeks a
> year to start--you have to work up to it in many companies (there is no
> legal minimum, so you may not get anything at all). Some companies give
> three or four weeks ... after _thirty years_ with the company!
eeek!
I get six weeks ;-)
Jun 11th 2003, 1:51 pm
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In article , Mxsmanic
writes
>The Reid writes:
>> If what I just read in another thread is true,
>> (that US tend to only have 2 weeks leave a year) ...
>It is. Furthermore, in the United States, you don't get two weeks a
>year to start--you have to work up to it in many companies (there is no
>legal minimum, so you may not get anything at all). Some companies give
>three or four weeks ... after _thirty years_ with the company!
>> ... then it must be a smallish percentage of
>> the whole anyway.
>It's hard to go anywhere with only ten days of vacation per year, that's
>true.
Goodness: my husband takes two months off every year: he is, of course,
self-employed. Thank goodness. I am trying to persuade him to make it
three months.
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>The Reid writes:
>> If what I just read in another thread is true,
>> (that US tend to only have 2 weeks leave a year) ...
>It is. Furthermore, in the United States, you don't get two weeks a
>year to start--you have to work up to it in many companies (there is no
>legal minimum, so you may not get anything at all). Some companies give
>three or four weeks ... after _thirty years_ with the company!
>> ... then it must be a smallish percentage of
>> the whole anyway.
>It's hard to go anywhere with only ten days of vacation per year, that's
>true.
Goodness: my husband takes two months off every year: he is, of course,
self-employed. Thank goodness. I am trying to persuade him to make it
three months.
--
Marie Lewis
Jun 11th 2003, 2:13 pm
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:26:23 GMT, The Reid wrote
-snip re: US standards of discretionary leave-
> Mind you, there is some downward pressure on leave here in UK.
> Maybe from US companies.
I can't imagine any amount of downward pressure leading to 2 weeks,
though.
AFAIK, the absolute minimum for even the most full-time jobs in the UK
is 4 weeks of discretional leave. Given that that figure is, I think,
already lower than most in the EU, I frankly can't see it going lower
than that.
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-snip re: US standards of discretionary leave-
> Mind you, there is some downward pressure on leave here in UK.
> Maybe from US companies.
I can't imagine any amount of downward pressure leading to 2 weeks,
though.
AFAIK, the absolute minimum for even the most full-time jobs in the UK
is 4 weeks of discretional leave. Given that that figure is, I think,
already lower than most in the EU, I frankly can't see it going lower
than that.
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Cheers,
Harvey
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Jun 11th 2003, 2:17 pm
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"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
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> AFAIK, the absolute minimum for even the most full-time jobs in the UK
> is 4 weeks of discretional leave. Given that that figure is, I think,
> already lower than most in the EU, I frankly can't see it going lower
> than that.
Indeed. And to stop companies putting pressure on employees to not take it,
it is in fact illegal not to take this holiday time! The company can be
fined.
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> AFAIK, the absolute minimum for even the most full-time jobs in the UK
> is 4 weeks of discretional leave. Given that that figure is, I think,
> already lower than most in the EU, I frankly can't see it going lower
> than that.
Indeed. And to stop companies putting pressure on employees to not take it,
it is in fact illegal not to take this holiday time! The company can be
fined.
Jun 11th 2003, 3:29 pm
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Re: How can there be so much traffic in this group?
In article ,
The Reid wrote:
> more trips than ever.
> If what I just read in another thread is true, (that US tend to only
> have 2 weeks leave a year), then it must be a smallish percentage of
> the whole anyway. If Spain is anything to go by, I hardly ever meet
> any Americans there, now or in the past. Europe is after all a long
> way from America.
Well it doesn't help that the Euro is like 20% higher than last year --
thanks Treasury Secretary Snow!
But the economy here isn't conducive to a lot of discretionary spending.
Low interest rates helped with mortgage refinancings and people bought
some cars. But on the other hand, a lot of people looking for work do
have time on their hands...
The Reid wrote:
> more trips than ever.
> If what I just read in another thread is true, (that US tend to only
> have 2 weeks leave a year), then it must be a smallish percentage of
> the whole anyway. If Spain is anything to go by, I hardly ever meet
> any Americans there, now or in the past. Europe is after all a long
> way from America.
Well it doesn't help that the Euro is like 20% higher than last year --
thanks Treasury Secretary Snow!
But the economy here isn't conducive to a lot of discretionary spending.
Low interest rates helped with mortgage refinancings and people bought
some cars. But on the other hand, a lot of people looking for work do
have time on their hands...
Jun 11th 2003, 3:31 pm
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In article ,
Marie Lewis wrote:
> In article , poldy
> writes
> >Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
> There are quite a few people actually living in Europe and in other
> places outside the USA. Did you not know that?
But the Internet, especially this newsgroup, is an American thing. Did
you not know that?
Marie Lewis wrote:
> In article , poldy
> writes
> >Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
> There are quite a few people actually living in Europe and in other
> places outside the USA. Did you not know that?
But the Internet, especially this newsgroup, is an American thing. Did
you not know that?
Jun 11th 2003, 3:32 pm
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In article ,
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> Magda wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:08:37 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, poldy
> > arranged
> > some electrons, so they looked like this :
> >
> > ... Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
> >
> > Only in your dreams.
>
> Maybe HIS dreams - I'd be inclined to call them nightmares.
I was in Paris last August and was thinking about going there this year.
But the Euro is higher and there are other financial needs...
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> Magda wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:08:37 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, poldy
> > arranged
> > some electrons, so they looked like this :
> >
> > ... Isn't travel in general and especially to Europe suppose to be down?
> >
> > Only in your dreams.
>
> Maybe HIS dreams - I'd be inclined to call them nightmares.
I was in Paris last August and was thinking about going there this year.
But the Euro is higher and there are other financial needs...