Heathrow losing customers due to 1 bag rule
Jul 18th 2007, 6:34 pm
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Heathrow losing customers due to 1 bag rule
One bag rule 'driving business away from Heathrow'
18.07.07
Heathrow chaos
The new hand luggage rules are putting passengers off travelling via
Heathrow, says BA
Britsh Airways bosses have warned the Government that "unjustifiable"
security measures are driving passengers away from Heathrow.
Chairman Martin Broughton told BA shareholders that the "one bag" rule
for hand baggage was not credible and was placing an intolerable
strain on Heathrow's luggage handling systems.
He said the policy, introduced last August after the liquid bomb
scare, had "no security justification".
He said: "We recognise that security is the top issue for passengers,
given the current threat from terrorist activity.
"But to be effective, security has to be credible. Current UK security
requirements are no longer credible."
He told the company's annual meeting that the one bag rule was not
applied elsewhere in Europe or in America. It "makes London an
unattractive place, particularly for transit passengers. It needs to
be changed as soon as possible", he said.
His comments came ahead of an industry summit tomorrow on the issue
called by Transport Secretary Ruth Kelly. BA chief executive Willie
Walsh said the one bag rule was hitting business travel hard and could
have a knock-on effect for London as a whole.
He said: "Traffic is avoiding Heathrow due to the measures and this is
influencing people's decision about where to do business."
18.07.07
Heathrow chaos
The new hand luggage rules are putting passengers off travelling via
Heathrow, says BA
Britsh Airways bosses have warned the Government that "unjustifiable"
security measures are driving passengers away from Heathrow.
Chairman Martin Broughton told BA shareholders that the "one bag" rule
for hand baggage was not credible and was placing an intolerable
strain on Heathrow's luggage handling systems.
He said the policy, introduced last August after the liquid bomb
scare, had "no security justification".
He said: "We recognise that security is the top issue for passengers,
given the current threat from terrorist activity.
"But to be effective, security has to be credible. Current UK security
requirements are no longer credible."
He told the company's annual meeting that the one bag rule was not
applied elsewhere in Europe or in America. It "makes London an
unattractive place, particularly for transit passengers. It needs to
be changed as soon as possible", he said.
His comments came ahead of an industry summit tomorrow on the issue
called by Transport Secretary Ruth Kelly. BA chief executive Willie
Walsh said the one bag rule was hitting business travel hard and could
have a knock-on effect for London as a whole.
He said: "Traffic is avoiding Heathrow due to the measures and this is
influencing people's decision about where to do business."
Jul 20th 2007, 6:30 pm
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Re: Heathrow losing customers due to 1 bag rule
> The new hand luggage rules are putting passengers off travelling via
> Heathrow, says BA
>
> Britsh Airways bosses have warned the Government that "unjustifiable"
> security measures are driving passengers away from Heathrow.
>
> Chairman Martin Broughton told BA shareholders that the "one bag" rule
> for hand baggage was not credible and was placing an intolerable
> strain on Heathrow's luggage handling systems.
>
[...]
> He said: "Traffic is avoiding Heathrow due to the measures and this is
> influencing people's decision about where to do business."
Is Heathrow the only UK airport with the one-bag rule, or does that
apply to all UK airports?
> Heathrow, says BA
>
> Britsh Airways bosses have warned the Government that "unjustifiable"
> security measures are driving passengers away from Heathrow.
>
> Chairman Martin Broughton told BA shareholders that the "one bag" rule
> for hand baggage was not credible and was placing an intolerable
> strain on Heathrow's luggage handling systems.
>
[...]
> He said: "Traffic is avoiding Heathrow due to the measures and this is
> influencing people's decision about where to do business."
Is Heathrow the only UK airport with the one-bag rule, or does that
apply to all UK airports?
Jul 20th 2007, 6:37 pm
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"cph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>> The new hand luggage rules are putting passengers off travelling via
>> Heathrow, says BA
>>
>> Britsh Airways bosses have warned the Government that "unjustifiable"
>> security measures are driving passengers away from Heathrow.
>>
>> Chairman Martin Broughton told BA shareholders that the "one bag" rule
>> for hand baggage was not credible and was placing an intolerable
>> strain on Heathrow's luggage handling systems.
>>
> [...]
>
>> He said: "Traffic is avoiding Heathrow due to the measures and this is
>> influencing people's decision about where to do business."
>
> Is Heathrow the only UK airport with the one-bag rule, or does that
> apply to all UK airports?
In theory, to all.
The loss of passangers seems to be people traling to other EU
countries and not transitting in London.
Personally, If the airport's already at capacity I can't see that as
a bad thing.
tim
news:[email protected] oups.com...
>
>> The new hand luggage rules are putting passengers off travelling via
>> Heathrow, says BA
>>
>> Britsh Airways bosses have warned the Government that "unjustifiable"
>> security measures are driving passengers away from Heathrow.
>>
>> Chairman Martin Broughton told BA shareholders that the "one bag" rule
>> for hand baggage was not credible and was placing an intolerable
>> strain on Heathrow's luggage handling systems.
>>
> [...]
>
>> He said: "Traffic is avoiding Heathrow due to the measures and this is
>> influencing people's decision about where to do business."
>
> Is Heathrow the only UK airport with the one-bag rule, or does that
> apply to all UK airports?
In theory, to all.
The loss of passangers seems to be people traling to other EU
countries and not transitting in London.
Personally, If the airport's already at capacity I can't see that as
a bad thing.
tim
Jul 20th 2007, 10:37 pm
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:37:35 +0100, "tim....."
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"cph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] roups.com...
>>
>>> The new hand luggage rules are putting passengers off travelling via
>>> Heathrow, says BA
>>>
>>> Britsh Airways bosses have warned the Government that "unjustifiable"
>>> security measures are driving passengers away from Heathrow.
>>>
>>> Chairman Martin Broughton told BA shareholders that the "one bag" rule
>>> for hand baggage was not credible and was placing an intolerable
>>> strain on Heathrow's luggage handling systems.
>>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> He said: "Traffic is avoiding Heathrow due to the measures and this is
>>> influencing people's decision about where to do business."
>>
>> Is Heathrow the only UK airport with the one-bag rule, or does that
>> apply to all UK airports?
>
>In theory, to all.
>
>The loss of passangers seems to be people traling to other EU
>countries and not transitting in London.
>
>Personally, If the airport's already at capacity I can't see that as
>a bad thing.
>
>tim
>
>
I've deliberately chosen to plan to depart from Gatwick next
year instead of Heathrow. Do you know for sure whether or
not they are enforcing the same rules there?
Cheers, Alan, Australia
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"cph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] roups.com...
>>
>>> The new hand luggage rules are putting passengers off travelling via
>>> Heathrow, says BA
>>>
>>> Britsh Airways bosses have warned the Government that "unjustifiable"
>>> security measures are driving passengers away from Heathrow.
>>>
>>> Chairman Martin Broughton told BA shareholders that the "one bag" rule
>>> for hand baggage was not credible and was placing an intolerable
>>> strain on Heathrow's luggage handling systems.
>>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> He said: "Traffic is avoiding Heathrow due to the measures and this is
>>> influencing people's decision about where to do business."
>>
>> Is Heathrow the only UK airport with the one-bag rule, or does that
>> apply to all UK airports?
>
>In theory, to all.
>
>The loss of passangers seems to be people traling to other EU
>countries and not transitting in London.
>
>Personally, If the airport's already at capacity I can't see that as
>a bad thing.
>
>tim
>
>
I've deliberately chosen to plan to depart from Gatwick next
year instead of Heathrow. Do you know for sure whether or
not they are enforcing the same rules there?
Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
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Jul 21st 2007, 1:59 am
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Alan S wrote:
>
> I've deliberately chosen to plan to depart from Gatwick next
> year instead of Heathrow. Do you know for sure whether or
> not they are enforcing the same rules there?
>
>
I haven't been through Gatwick recently, but both Glasgow and Edinburgh
have been enforcing the 1-bag rule.
I have a jacket with a number of big pockets......
>
> I've deliberately chosen to plan to depart from Gatwick next
> year instead of Heathrow. Do you know for sure whether or
> not they are enforcing the same rules there?
>
>
I haven't been through Gatwick recently, but both Glasgow and Edinburgh
have been enforcing the 1-bag rule.
I have a jacket with a number of big pockets......
Jul 21st 2007, 2:55 am
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:34:33 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> One bag rule 'driving business away from Heathrow'
>18.07.07
>
>Heathrow chaos
>
>The new hand luggage rules are putting passengers off travelling via
>Heathrow, says BA
>
>Britsh Airways bosses have warned the Government that "unjustifiable"
>security measures are driving passengers away from Heathrow.
>
>Chairman Martin Broughton told BA shareholders that the "one bag" rule
>for hand baggage was not credible and was placing an intolerable
>strain on Heathrow's luggage handling systems.
We are flying to Rome tomorrow from the U.S. We were able t get a
nonstop flight but if we had to connect, I wouldn't have wanted to do
it in England for this reason.
> One bag rule 'driving business away from Heathrow'
>18.07.07
>
>Heathrow chaos
>
>The new hand luggage rules are putting passengers off travelling via
>Heathrow, says BA
>
>Britsh Airways bosses have warned the Government that "unjustifiable"
>security measures are driving passengers away from Heathrow.
>
>Chairman Martin Broughton told BA shareholders that the "one bag" rule
>for hand baggage was not credible and was placing an intolerable
>strain on Heathrow's luggage handling systems.
We are flying to Rome tomorrow from the U.S. We were able t get a
nonstop flight but if we had to connect, I wouldn't have wanted to do
it in England for this reason.
Jul 21st 2007, 2:39 pm
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In message <[email protected]>, Alan S
<[email protected]> writes
>>
>I've deliberately chosen to plan to depart from Gatwick next
>year instead of Heathrow. Do you know for sure whether or
>not they are enforcing the same rules there?
>
>
>Cheers, Alan, Australia
>--
At the moment, it applies to all UK airports, but all the UK-based
airlines are campaigning to change it. By next year, you may be lucky,
but Gatwick is less awful than Heathrow in any case.
Sheila
--
---
Sheila Page
<[email protected]> writes
>>
>I've deliberately chosen to plan to depart from Gatwick next
>year instead of Heathrow. Do you know for sure whether or
>not they are enforcing the same rules there?
>
>
>Cheers, Alan, Australia
>--
At the moment, it applies to all UK airports, but all the UK-based
airlines are campaigning to change it. By next year, you may be lucky,
but Gatwick is less awful than Heathrow in any case.
Sheila
--
---
Sheila Page
Jul 21st 2007, 4:33 pm
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Sheila Page wrote:
> At the moment, it applies to all UK airports, but all the UK-based
> airlines are campaigning to change it. By next year, you may be lucky,
> but Gatwick is less awful than Heathrow in any case.
But the silliness impacts some airport less than others. Because of the
volume at Heathrow, the silly measures result in far longer lines at
security checkpoints because Heathrow just doesn't have the money to
hire enough people to process all the passengers quickly with those
silly measures. Heathrow wants the government to either remove the
silliness, or pay for the security measures.
What is interesting is that it was obvious from day 1 that this would
happen, yet airlines/airports are only now complaining, a couple weeks
after Bliar left.
> At the moment, it applies to all UK airports, but all the UK-based
> airlines are campaigning to change it. By next year, you may be lucky,
> but Gatwick is less awful than Heathrow in any case.
But the silliness impacts some airport less than others. Because of the
volume at Heathrow, the silly measures result in far longer lines at
security checkpoints because Heathrow just doesn't have the money to
hire enough people to process all the passengers quickly with those
silly measures. Heathrow wants the government to either remove the
silliness, or pay for the security measures.
What is interesting is that it was obvious from day 1 that this would
happen, yet airlines/airports are only now complaining, a couple weeks
after Bliar left.
Jul 21st 2007, 4:51 pm
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Re: Heathrow losing customers due to 1 bag rule
>
>>
>
I've deliberately chosen to plan to depart from Gatwick next
year instead of Heathrow. Do you know for sure whether or
not they are enforcing the same rules there?
Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
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latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
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>>
>
I've deliberately chosen to plan to depart from Gatwick next
year instead of Heathrow. Do you know for sure whether or
not they are enforcing the same rules there?
Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management
Jul 21st 2007, 8:25 pm
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:33:04 -0400, Nobody <[email protected]> wrote:
>Sheila Page wrote:
>> At the moment, it applies to all UK airports, but all the UK-based
>> airlines are campaigning to change it. By next year, you may be lucky,
>> but Gatwick is less awful than Heathrow in any case.
>
>But the silliness impacts some airport less than others. Because of the
>volume at Heathrow, the silly measures result in far longer lines at
>security checkpoints because Heathrow just doesn't have the money to
>hire enough people to process all the passengers quickly with those
>silly measures. Heathrow wants the government to either remove the
>silliness, or pay for the security measures.
>
>What is interesting is that it was obvious from day 1 that this would
>happen, yet airlines/airports are only now complaining, a couple weeks
>after Bliar left.
liar
--
Martin
>Sheila Page wrote:
>> At the moment, it applies to all UK airports, but all the UK-based
>> airlines are campaigning to change it. By next year, you may be lucky,
>> but Gatwick is less awful than Heathrow in any case.
>
>But the silliness impacts some airport less than others. Because of the
>volume at Heathrow, the silly measures result in far longer lines at
>security checkpoints because Heathrow just doesn't have the money to
>hire enough people to process all the passengers quickly with those
>silly measures. Heathrow wants the government to either remove the
>silliness, or pay for the security measures.
>
>What is interesting is that it was obvious from day 1 that this would
>happen, yet airlines/airports are only now complaining, a couple weeks
>after Bliar left.
liar
--
Martin
Jul 21st 2007, 8:48 pm
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In article <[email protected]>,
Brian <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:34:33 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > One bag rule 'driving business away from Heathrow'
> >18.07.07
> >
> >Heathrow chaos
> >
> >The new hand luggage rules are putting passengers off travelling via
> >Heathrow, says BA
> >
> >Britsh Airways bosses have warned the Government that "unjustifiable"
> >security measures are driving passengers away from Heathrow.
> >
> >Chairman Martin Broughton told BA shareholders that the "one bag" rule
> >for hand baggage was not credible and was placing an intolerable
> >strain on Heathrow's luggage handling systems.
>
> We are flying to Rome tomorrow from the U.S. We were able t get a
> nonstop flight but if we had to connect, I wouldn't have wanted to do
> it in England for this reason.
I am willing to detour to avoid changing planes there! It's one thing
if that's your destination, but otherwise it's just too much hassle.
--
Mary, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism : the habitual longing to purchase, read, store,
admire, and consume books in excess.
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Brian <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:34:33 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > One bag rule 'driving business away from Heathrow'
> >18.07.07
> >
> >Heathrow chaos
> >
> >The new hand luggage rules are putting passengers off travelling via
> >Heathrow, says BA
> >
> >Britsh Airways bosses have warned the Government that "unjustifiable"
> >security measures are driving passengers away from Heathrow.
> >
> >Chairman Martin Broughton told BA shareholders that the "one bag" rule
> >for hand baggage was not credible and was placing an intolerable
> >strain on Heathrow's luggage handling systems.
>
> We are flying to Rome tomorrow from the U.S. We were able t get a
> nonstop flight but if we had to connect, I wouldn't have wanted to do
> it in England for this reason.
I am willing to detour to avoid changing planes there! It's one thing
if that's your destination, but otherwise it's just too much hassle.
--
Mary, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism : the habitual longing to purchase, read, store,
admire, and consume books in excess.
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Jul 21st 2007, 8:50 pm
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In article <[email protected]>,
S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have a jacket with a number of big pockets......
That's how I got out of the airport when I returned from there last
spring 8-)
--
Mary, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism : the habitual longing to purchase, read, store,
admire, and consume books in excess.
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have a jacket with a number of big pockets......
That's how I got out of the airport when I returned from there last
spring 8-)
--
Mary, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism : the habitual longing to purchase, read, store,
admire, and consume books in excess.
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Jul 21st 2007, 9:02 pm
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:33:04 -0400, Nobody <[email protected]> wrote:
>Sheila Page wrote:
>> At the moment, it applies to all UK airports, but all the UK-based
>> airlines are campaigning to change it. By next year, you may be lucky,
>> but Gatwick is less awful than Heathrow in any case.
>
>But the silliness impacts some airport less than others. Because of the
>volume at Heathrow, the silly measures result in far longer lines at
>security checkpoints because Heathrow just doesn't have the money to
>hire enough people to process all the passengers quickly with those
>silly measures.
I flew out of LHR on tuesday morning, I got to the airport 1 hour
before the flight time, was through check in and security in plenty of
time to have both a shower and a nice breakfast and a read of email
before boarding - I didn't see any big queues.
> Heathrow wants the government to either remove the
>silliness, or pay for the security measures.
Oh you definately need to remove the silliness.
Jim.
>Sheila Page wrote:
>> At the moment, it applies to all UK airports, but all the UK-based
>> airlines are campaigning to change it. By next year, you may be lucky,
>> but Gatwick is less awful than Heathrow in any case.
>
>But the silliness impacts some airport less than others. Because of the
>volume at Heathrow, the silly measures result in far longer lines at
>security checkpoints because Heathrow just doesn't have the money to
>hire enough people to process all the passengers quickly with those
>silly measures.
I flew out of LHR on tuesday morning, I got to the airport 1 hour
before the flight time, was through check in and security in plenty of
time to have both a shower and a nice breakfast and a read of email
before boarding - I didn't see any big queues.
> Heathrow wants the government to either remove the
>silliness, or pay for the security measures.
Oh you definately need to remove the silliness.
Jim.
Jul 21st 2007, 9:17 pm
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On Jul 21, 11:02 pm, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
> I flew out of LHR on tuesday morning, I got to the airport 1 hour
> before the flight time, was through check in and security in plenty of
> time to have both a shower and a nice breakfast and a read of email
> before boarding - I didn't see any big queues.
I flew out of LGW a couple of weeks ago, on a Monday morning and it
took nearly an hour to drop off my bag with BA (I had checked in on
line) and another hour to go through security :-(
B;
> I flew out of LHR on tuesday morning, I got to the airport 1 hour
> before the flight time, was through check in and security in plenty of
> time to have both a shower and a nice breakfast and a read of email
> before boarding - I didn't see any big queues.
I flew out of LGW a couple of weeks ago, on a Monday morning and it
took nearly an hour to drop off my bag with BA (I had checked in on
line) and another hour to go through security :-(
B;
Jul 21st 2007, 10:05 pm
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I flew to from Munich to Morocco via London this February. Was no fun
when they insisted that I "... make one bag of my big camera bag and the
small backpack with the notebook computer". These people are really
weird. I'll avoid flying through London as long as there is this dumb
rule.
--
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when they insisted that I "... make one bag of my big camera bag and the
small backpack with the notebook computer". These people are really
weird. I'll avoid flying through London as long as there is this dumb
rule.
--
Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe