Hassles in Europe?
Mar 20th 2002, 8:36 am
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[email protected] (Miguel Cruz) writes:
> That is not a happy formula. They have some very smart people trying to balance
> cash-flow issues with long-term oil price level issues, but I think the deck is
> stacked against them.
I could write a long reply about this, bt hasn't anything to do with travelling in
Europe, nor with the description of the dollar as "the most secure monetary
instrument in the world."
I think that in the end the Saudis will succeed in their goal to be the last one with
any oil left.
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> That is not a happy formula. They have some very smart people trying to balance
> cash-flow issues with long-term oil price level issues, but I think the deck is
> stacked against them.
I could write a long reply about this, bt hasn't anything to do with travelling in
Europe, nor with the description of the dollar as "the most secure monetary
instrument in the world."
I think that in the end the Saudis will succeed in their goal to be the last one with
any oil left.
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Fredrik Stax\"ang | rot13: [email protected]
Mar 20th 2002, 9:05 am
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Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
: In article <[email protected]>, Jani Patokallio <[email protected]> wrote:
:> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
:> : IIFC... only about 35% of U.S. currency is within the U.S. geographical boarders
:> : at any time. No world currency comes close to it in market opportunities. The
:> : U.S. Dollar is the most secure monetary instrument in the world.
:>
:> That's a non sequitur.
: Its not... but when you cut the relevent text... is that an attempt to try to
: make it one?
Err, I didn't cut out a single word you wrote. The preceding discussion was about
Ugly Americans being snippy about furriners not accepting their Real Money(tm), which
doesn't seem too relevant to, um, anything at all. Now, if you'd care to explain
*why* the greenback is so secure, I'm all ears...
Cheers,
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: In article <[email protected]>, Jani Patokallio <[email protected]> wrote:
:> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
:> : IIFC... only about 35% of U.S. currency is within the U.S. geographical boarders
:> : at any time. No world currency comes close to it in market opportunities. The
:> : U.S. Dollar is the most secure monetary instrument in the world.
:>
:> That's a non sequitur.
: Its not... but when you cut the relevent text... is that an attempt to try to
: make it one?
Err, I didn't cut out a single word you wrote. The preceding discussion was about
Ugly Americans being snippy about furriners not accepting their Real Money(tm), which
doesn't seem too relevant to, um, anything at all. Now, if you'd care to explain
*why* the greenback is so secure, I'm all ears...
Cheers,
--
Jani Patokallio >O._, [email protected] `..' i have taken control of the drum machine
Mar 20th 2002, 10:35 am
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On 20 Mar 2002 09:36:13 GMT, Jani Patokallio <[email protected]> wrote:
>Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>: IIFC... only about 35% of U.S. currency is within the U.S. geographical boarders
>: at any time. No world currency comes close to it in market opportunities. The U.S.
>: Dollar is the most secure monetary instrument in the world.
>
>That's a non sequitur. The U.S. dollar is backed up solely by the people's faith in
>the U.S. government, and its value will plummet the moment people lose confidence
>and/or the gov't starts running the printing presses overtime.
Unfortunately for Europeans should that happen, since European central banks hold US
dollars as reserves.
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>Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>: IIFC... only about 35% of U.S. currency is within the U.S. geographical boarders
>: at any time. No world currency comes close to it in market opportunities. The U.S.
>: Dollar is the most secure monetary instrument in the world.
>
>That's a non sequitur. The U.S. dollar is backed up solely by the people's faith in
>the U.S. government, and its value will plummet the moment people lose confidence
>and/or the gov't starts running the printing presses overtime.
Unfortunately for Europeans should that happen, since European central banks hold US
dollars as reserves.
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Mar 20th 2002, 10:35 am
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On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:47:57 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:23:07 GMT, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I reasonable sure that your country probable holds U.S. currency in their
>>government reserves... I doubt the same is true in reverse.
>I have no idea how much US or any other currency is held in 'Thrid would' countries.
>I am simply making the point that citing the example of currency exchange
>regulations when entering a country such as Burma is irrelevant in a discussion
>about paying for things in foreign currencies in France.
Most European countries also hold US currency as reserves for tehir own currency.
Including the euro.
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>On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:23:07 GMT, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I reasonable sure that your country probable holds U.S. currency in their
>>government reserves... I doubt the same is true in reverse.
>I have no idea how much US or any other currency is held in 'Thrid would' countries.
>I am simply making the point that citing the example of currency exchange
>regulations when entering a country such as Burma is irrelevant in a discussion
>about paying for things in foreign currencies in France.
Most European countries also hold US currency as reserves for tehir own currency.
Including the euro.
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Mar 20th 2002, 11:05 am
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In article <[email protected]>, Jani Patokallio <[email protected]> wrote:
> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> : In article <[email protected]>, Jani Patokallio <[email protected]>
> : wrote:
> :> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> :> : IIFC... only about 35% of U.S. currency is within the U.S. geographical
> :> : boarders at any time. No world currency comes close to it in market
> :> : opportunities. The U.S. Dollar is the most secure monetary instrument in the
> :> : world.
> :>
> :> That's a non sequitur.
>
> : Its not... but when you cut the relevent text... is that an attempt to try to
> : make it one?
>
> Err, I didn't cut out a single word you wrote. The preceding discussion was about
> Ugly Americans being snippy about furriners not accepting their Real Money(tm),
> which doesn't seem too relevant to, um, anything at all.
2/3rds of U.S. currency is outside of the U.S., why should some of that not be in
France and at the huge international tourist attraction ?
How much of the markka do you think was kept outside of your country (demand) ? Have
you even been able to use the markka at a store outside your country... did the
marrka even show up in a change kiosk window board? There is probably not a single
change facility in the world that would not exchange U.S. dollars... is the same true
of the former markka ?
That is some of the perspective of traverlers w/ U.S. dollars... it is accepted
everywhere.
> Now, if you'd care to explain *why* the greenback is so secure, I'm all ears...
Well in the very little trade the U.S. does with Finland... which currency do you
think the contracts were negotiated in ? Do you think there was a difference between
import and export in the currency used ?
jay Wed, Mar 20, 2002 mailto:[email protected]
>
> Cheers,
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"Nevertheless, it does move."
> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> : In article <[email protected]>, Jani Patokallio <[email protected]>
> : wrote:
> :> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> :> : IIFC... only about 35% of U.S. currency is within the U.S. geographical
> :> : boarders at any time. No world currency comes close to it in market
> :> : opportunities. The U.S. Dollar is the most secure monetary instrument in the
> :> : world.
> :>
> :> That's a non sequitur.
>
> : Its not... but when you cut the relevent text... is that an attempt to try to
> : make it one?
>
> Err, I didn't cut out a single word you wrote. The preceding discussion was about
> Ugly Americans being snippy about furriners not accepting their Real Money(tm),
> which doesn't seem too relevant to, um, anything at all.
2/3rds of U.S. currency is outside of the U.S., why should some of that not be in
France and at the huge international tourist attraction ?
How much of the markka do you think was kept outside of your country (demand) ? Have
you even been able to use the markka at a store outside your country... did the
marrka even show up in a change kiosk window board? There is probably not a single
change facility in the world that would not exchange U.S. dollars... is the same true
of the former markka ?
That is some of the perspective of traverlers w/ U.S. dollars... it is accepted
everywhere.
> Now, if you'd care to explain *why* the greenback is so secure, I'm all ears...
Well in the very little trade the U.S. does with Finland... which currency do you
think the contracts were negotiated in ? Do you think there was a difference between
import and export in the currency used ?
jay Wed, Mar 20, 2002 mailto:[email protected]
>
> Cheers,
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"Nevertheless, it does move."
Mar 20th 2002, 11:05 am
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> >
> Oh, I LOVE that joke. BTW, 'over here' is where in respect to Budvar (I assume you
> mean the real thing?)
>
Yeah, and you can also get the original Pilsner, which is another great beer too.
Oh, and Hoegaarden must be the deadliest beer on earth! Crazy bloody Belgians!!!
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> Oh, I LOVE that joke. BTW, 'over here' is where in respect to Budvar (I assume you
> mean the real thing?)
>
Yeah, and you can also get the original Pilsner, which is another great beer too.
Oh, and Hoegaarden must be the deadliest beer on earth! Crazy bloody Belgians!!!
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DFM
Mar 20th 2002, 11:35 am
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Go Fig ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> But yet on the TV I see many EU countries spending lots of U.S. dollars to buy
> expensive airtime to promote tourism to their countries... currently Martin Sheen
> is used to talk about 'the green hills' of his mothers country. Perhaps they should
> put a crawler that says... "U.S. dollars not accepted".
Why? Are you saying they should assume that the viewers are really stupid?
>
> But yet on the TV I see many EU countries spending lots of U.S. dollars to buy
> expensive airtime to promote tourism to their countries... currently Martin Sheen
> is used to talk about 'the green hills' of his mothers country. Perhaps they should
> put a crawler that says... "U.S. dollars not accepted".
Why? Are you saying they should assume that the viewers are really stupid?
Mar 20th 2002, 2:05 pm
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On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:46:34 GMT, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>2/3rds of U.S. currency is outside of the U.S., why should some of that not be in
> France and at the huge international tourist attraction ?
>
>How much of the markka do you think was kept outside of your country (demand) ? Have
>you even been able to use the markka at a store outside your country...
In all fairness to the markka, I spent them in Tallinn myself with no problem.
>did the marrka even show up in a change kiosk window board?
Sure. At Vantaa.
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>2/3rds of U.S. currency is outside of the U.S., why should some of that not be in
> France and at the huge international tourist attraction ?
>
>How much of the markka do you think was kept outside of your country (demand) ? Have
>you even been able to use the markka at a store outside your country...
In all fairness to the markka, I spent them in Tallinn myself with no problem.
>did the marrka even show up in a change kiosk window board?
Sure. At Vantaa.
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Mar 20th 2002, 6:36 pm
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Go Fig <[email protected]> writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, Jani Patokallio <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Err, I didn't cut out a single word you wrote. The preceding discussion was about
> > Ugly Americans being snippy about furriners not accepting their Real Money(tm),
> > which doesn't seem too relevant to, um, anything at all.
>
> 2/3rds of U.S. currency is outside of the U.S., why should some of that not be in
> France and at the huge international tourist attraction ?
If they did accept US dollars, you would complain about the lousy rate you got, and
that you got the change in euros.
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> In article <[email protected]>, Jani Patokallio <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Err, I didn't cut out a single word you wrote. The preceding discussion was about
> > Ugly Americans being snippy about furriners not accepting their Real Money(tm),
> > which doesn't seem too relevant to, um, anything at all.
>
> 2/3rds of U.S. currency is outside of the U.S., why should some of that not be in
> France and at the huge international tourist attraction ?
If they did accept US dollars, you would complain about the lousy rate you got, and
that you got the change in euros.
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Fredrik Stax\"ang | rot13: [email protected]
Mar 20th 2002, 8:05 pm
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"Aramis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Almost all humour is based on generalizations
> - the twist on the expected is what creates the humour.
That's generally true; but there are some funny exceptions.
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[email protected] .rogers.com...> Almost all humour is based on generalizations
> - the twist on the expected is what creates the humour.
That's generally true; but there are some funny exceptions.
Mar 20th 2002, 8:05 pm
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"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Traveling in Morocco with one fellow Michigan alum and one not so blessed, we were
> amused by the astounding proliferation of Michigan paraphernalia there. Other
> schools were slimly represented, if at all, but each day we'd see several
> (sometimes a dozen) maize-and-blue M's.
Maize and blue are the official colors of the Moroccan secret police.
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> Traveling in Morocco with one fellow Michigan alum and one not so blessed, we were
> amused by the astounding proliferation of Michigan paraphernalia there. Other
> schools were slimly represented, if at all, but each day we'd see several
> (sometimes a dozen) maize-and-blue M's.
Maize and blue are the official colors of the Moroccan secret police.
Mar 20th 2002, 8:05 pm
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"Jenn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> It was at one point so hilarious that apparently companies just randomly printed
> phrases in English to give it that 'logo- USA' look.
Chevignon in France was notorious for this. They'd print anything on a shirt.
And sold them for ridiculous prices. And French people bought them like there
was no tomorrow.
news:[email protected]...
> It was at one point so hilarious that apparently companies just randomly printed
> phrases in English to give it that 'logo- USA' look.
Chevignon in France was notorious for this. They'd print anything on a shirt.
And sold them for ridiculous prices. And French people bought them like there
was no tomorrow.
Mar 20th 2002, 8:05 pm
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"Aramis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I was referring to the fact that Americans seem to take one or two of them (and not
> just a University one!) on every trip. It seems they actually think this is an
> impressive gesture.
It is, if you are trying to impress European adolescents. After all, they buy the
fake American clothing at high prices; naturally they are impressed to see you
wearing the real thing. In general, the ones who are most impressed are those who
know the least about the U.S., and have never been there. They watch mainly TV series
about improbable Beverly Hills high schools and the like, and that is their source of
information. Kind of like an American watching Fred MacMurray in _Bon Voyage_ and
basing his opinion of Europe on that.
news:[email protected]...
> I was referring to the fact that Americans seem to take one or two of them (and not
> just a University one!) on every trip. It seems they actually think this is an
> impressive gesture.
It is, if you are trying to impress European adolescents. After all, they buy the
fake American clothing at high prices; naturally they are impressed to see you
wearing the real thing. In general, the ones who are most impressed are those who
know the least about the U.S., and have never been there. They watch mainly TV series
about improbable Beverly Hills high schools and the like, and that is their source of
information. Kind of like an American watching Fred MacMurray in _Bon Voyage_ and
basing his opinion of Europe on that.
Mar 20th 2002, 8:35 pm
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"K.Kosuge" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> At any rate, arrogant loudmouths come in all nationalities. I checking into a hotel
> in Honolulu when a gentleman from the UK (judging from his accent) charged up to
> the desk ranting loudly about the free "Continental Breakfast" set up in the lobby.
> He berated the poor desk clerk unmercifully for way too long. Then he capped his
> argument of with, "That is NOT a continental breakfast! I should know, after
> all--I'm FROM the continent!"
>
It was a fake! I've never heard any British claming to be "from the continent"!
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> At any rate, arrogant loudmouths come in all nationalities. I checking into a hotel
> in Honolulu when a gentleman from the UK (judging from his accent) charged up to
> the desk ranting loudly about the free "Continental Breakfast" set up in the lobby.
> He berated the poor desk clerk unmercifully for way too long. Then he capped his
> argument of with, "That is NOT a continental breakfast! I should know, after
> all--I'm FROM the continent!"
>
It was a fake! I've never heard any British claming to be "from the continent"!
Mar 20th 2002, 8:35 pm
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:02:30 +0100, "Gianandrea Gobbo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've never heard any British claming to be "from the continent"!
>
Soon put that right. "I'm British, and I'm from the Continent". Sorry, couldn't
resist that. It's true though.
--==++AJC++==--
>I've never heard any British claming to be "from the continent"!
>
Soon put that right. "I'm British, and I'm from the Continent". Sorry, couldn't
resist that. It's true though.
--==++AJC++==--
