Devil

Not the Karl Orff wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Hatunen) wrote:
    >>On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:17:24 GMT, Not the Karl Orff <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>In article <[email protected] >,
    >>>[email protected] (amp_spamfree) wrote:
    >>>>"Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>news:<[email protected] ighway.telekom.at>...
    >>>>>>And you still can't get an authentic German weinerschnitzel.
    >>>>>Since when was Wienerschnitzel german ?
    >>>>Since when was authentic Germany based on post-wwII borders?
    >>>hmm, Austria wasn;t part of germany, even way before germany came into existence
    >>It was part of Germany from 1938 to 1945.
    > Integrated into Germany or at least what the Germans prolciamed then perhaps. The
    > Allies held that Austria was occupied.

But that was a cold war gimmick because of convenience on both sides of the fence.

It's not as if the Anschluss wasn't welcome by a sizeable proportion of the
population at the time.

Not The Karl Orff

In article <[email protected]>, devil <[email protected]> wrote:


    > But that was a cold war gimmick because of convenience on both sides of the fence.

pre cold war. That was the allied powers agreement (U.S.A., U.S.S.R. &
U.K.)

    > It's not as if the Anschluss wasn't welcome by a sizeable proportion of the
    > population at the time.

Not disputing this fact.

Frank Matthews

Gee what happens if you have two US citizen parents but are not yourself eligible for
citizenship because they haven't lived for long enough in the US and you weren't born
here. Could you run as a non-citizen?

Frank Matthews

Paul Tauger wrote:

    > "Not the Karl Orff" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > hawcable.net    ...
    >>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Hatunen) wrote:
    >>>On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:27:01 GMT, Frank Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>Gee! I guess we have already had a Hispanic candidate for US president then. As
    >>>>I remember it Barry Goldwater was born in Mexico.
    >>>You remember wrong. Presidential candidate George Romney was born in Mexico.
    >>So constitutionally, he couldn't have been sworn in as president if he won?
    > Why? The presidency is restricted to natural-born citizens, as opposed to
    > naturalized citizens. However, being a natural-born citizen doesn't require birth
    > within the U.S. -- having a U.S. citizen parent will do it.

Anonymous

Section One of Artticle Two: No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen
of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that
office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen
Years a resident within the United States.


"Frank Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Gee what happens if you have two US citizen parents but are not yourself eligible
    > for citizenship because they haven't lived for long enough in the US and you
    > weren't born here. Could you run as a non-citizen?
    > Frank Matthews
    > Paul Tauger wrote:
    > > "Not the Karl Orff" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > > vf.shawcable.net    ...
    > >
    > >>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Hatunen)
    > >>wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:27:01 GMT, Frank Matthews <[email protected]>
    > >>>wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>Gee! I guess we have already had a Hispanic candidate for US
president
    > >>>>then. As I remember it Barry Goldwater was born in Mexico.
    > >>>>
    > >>>You remember wrong. Presidential candidate George Romney was born in Mexico.
    > >>>
    > >>So constitutionally, he couldn't have been sworn in as president if he won?
    > >>
    > >
    > > Why? The presidency is restricted to natural-born citizens, as opposed
to
    > > naturalized citizens. However, being a natural-born citizen doesn't
require
    > > birth within the U.S. -- having a U.S. citizen parent will do it.
    > >
    > >
    > >

Hatunen

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:06:43 GMT, <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Section One of Artticle Two: No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen
    >of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be
    >eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that
    >office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been
    >fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

Oh. I forgot about the fourteen years thing.


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Anonymous

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:36:36 GMT, Frank Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Gee what happens if you have two US citizen parents but are not yourself eligible
    >for citizenship because they haven't lived for long enough in the US and you weren't
    >born here. Could you run as a non-citizen?
    >Frank Matthews
SNIP

What are you talking about? If, a baby is born to two US citizens the baby him or
herself is a US citizen. E.G. George Romney's parents were US citizens residing in
Mexico when he was born, ergo he was a US citizen at the time of his birth. How the
parents got US citizenship is irrelevant.

Miguel Cruz

amp_spamfree <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Here's how these chains are described -
    > "T.G.I. Friday's, the first American casual dining chain, is a dining experience
    > that has become the favorite pastime of millions since 1965."
    > "If you've never eaten at a Fuddruckers-hold on to your hat! You are about to find
    > out how and where to experience what our guests, and food critics and reviewers
    > from across the country, have dubbed The "World's Greatest Hamburger"!"
    > [ etc. ]
    > So, if that isn't authentic American, then what are millions of Americans buying at
    > these restaurants...Chinese?

So if Taco Bell defines themselves as authentic Mexican, that makes them so?

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Miguel Cruz

devil <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Hatunen wrote:
    >>> hmm, Austria wasn;t part of germany, even way before germany came into existence
    >> It was part of Germany from 1938 to 1945.
    > Obviously they are trying hard to forget that.

Which doesn't exactly explain all those votes Haider got.

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Miguel Cruz

Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Ken Blake" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> German wienerschnitzel? (note the spelling, by the way.) Do you know what the
    >> "wiener" in "wienerschnitzel" means?
    > I do. Is there a prize?

I'll give you a prize if you can tell me what the "erschnit" is for.

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Miguel Cruz

amp_spamfree <[email protected]> wrote:
    > [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
    >> amp_spamfree <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> [email protected] (Vitaly Shmatikov) wrote:
    >>>> Most fishing anywhere is large scale commercial fishing.
    >>> Where do you come up with these tidbits of misinformation? UK fisheries industry
    >>> employees 22,000 in 581 concerns - that is an average of 78 employees per. Not
    >>> exactly Large Scale.
    >> That doesn't tell us anything. There could be 1 company with 21420 employees and
    >> another 580 lonely guys sitting on the pier by themselves.
    > Did you read the rest of the post?
    > Fleet sizes are small - the businesses are small, and the number of employees is
    > small. It takes 10-12 employees per trawler plus some administrative. The typical
    > UK fleet is less than 10 boats. Do the math.

Yes, none of that is particularly inconsistent with what I wrote.

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Miguel Cruz

In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
    > Frank Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Gee what happens if you have two US citizen parents but are not yourself eligible
    >> for citizenship because they haven't lived for long enough in the US and you
    >> weren't born here. Could you run as a non-citizen?
    > What are you talking about? If, a baby is born to two US citizens the baby him or
    > herself is a US citizen. E.G. George Romney's parents were US citizens residing in
    > Mexico when he was born, ergo he was a US citizen at the time of his birth. How
    > the parents got US citizenship is irrelevant.

Not necessarily.

If I was a US citizen living outside the US, and I'd never been to the US, and I had
a child with another person in the same situation, I don't think the child would be
eligible for citizenship.

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Vitaly Shmatikov

In article <[email protected]>, devil <[email protected]> wrote:

    >But the point that you still miss, I guess, is that you *happen* to be living in a
    >part of the US which has decent food around. Which can also be true in Europe, and
    >with similar odds as in the US.

This is exactly what I disagree with. Most metro areas in the US have decent
food, where decent includes both quality and *variety*. While most of Europe is
Ok wrt quality, variety is usually abysmal. Local stuff is good, the rest is
close to inedible.

    >Once again, why limiting the argument to "ethnic" food? Which ultimately will be
    >"ersatz" anywhere except in the original countries?
    >You seem to ascribe no value to, for instance, Italian stuff? Or to your regular
    >nondescript non-ethnic restaurant (typically the result of a mix of French and
    >Italian influences anyway)?

Because they get real boring real quick. Ethnic food is not more valuable than
Italian stuff *per se*. But it's nice to have variety: Thai yesterday,
Italian today, Fredonian tomorrow. A place where one can get a variety of
different foods is clearly superior to a place where it's ``a mix of French and
Italian influences'' day after day, even assuming that this mix is good (which
it often isn't).

Vitaly Shmatikov

In article <[email protected]>, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> But... U.S. has the critical density of Asian population, Europe doesn't.
    >You are making the logical leap that having a lot of Asians around means, ipso
    >facto, good Asian cooking.

Having a lot of Asians around is necessary, but not sufficient for good Asian
cooking. Thus fewer Asians in Europe => bad Asian cooking. Which doesn't mean
that lots of Asians => good Asian cooking. Even though Asian cooking in the US is
orders of magnitude better than in Europe (except Indian maybe).

Vitaly Shmatikov

In article <[email protected] >, amp_spamfree
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >I haven't had problems on either account. In fact, Planet Hollywood, TGIF, and Hard
    >Rock...all "typical" American restaurants are readily available, with almost
    >identical menus, in most major and many minor European cities. As for authentic
    >American food, what is more authentic than your major chains. If it wasn't
    >authentic American, why so many and so much?

Because Europeans, as always, are suckers for all things American, or, rather,
things that are sold to them as American?

But at some level you are right. What Planet Hollywood, TGIF and Hard Rock are to
American food, Asian restaurants in Europe are to Asian food. Which is kinda what
I've been saying all along...

    >> It's a little bit hard for me to say, since I don't know what's available in
    >> your local Chicago area Dominicks, but my local supermarket has tortillas,
    >> poblanos/pasillas, Mexican linguica and chorizo (different from Portuguese and
    >> Spanish versions, respectively), etc. Never saw anything like that in
    >> Sainsbury's.
    >At Sainsbury's I can get, without a problem, everything but linguica - in part
    >because I'm not quite sure what that is and I've never looked.

You can get poblanos and tortillas at Sainsbury's only in the same sense that you
can get ``American'' food at the Hard Rock Cafe. In which case I have to admit the
question indeed becomes ``Why would you?''

    >What exactly is "good American food"? Try this place.
    >14 Boulevard Montmartre Paris 75009, France

That wouldn't be Hard Rock Cafe by any chance, would it? My range of
experiences is so limited that you are the first person I encountered who seems
to take Hard Rock Cafe seriously as a source of good food. I mean, I know plenty
of people who go there, but they are not... how shall I say it... very
particular about their food.

    >> Your other examples are *really* strange. Wild guess out of the left field: you
    >> are some kind of corporate executive and eat out on an expense account.
    >Yep, you bet. Which explains the limited range of experiences you've had, as, let
    >me guess, a graduate student?

You guessed wrong, but that's excusable (what with me posting from an academic
account and all). But let me ask you, a widely experienced traveler, how come the
best example of Chinese food in Paris that you came up with is not even in Paris
proper, and you don't seem to know the name of your chosen Latin American
restaurant?

    >> Because Le Foc Ly (I hope I am thinking of the right place, it's out in Les
    >> Sablons, right?) is so overpriced and mediocre that whenever I try to think of
    >> people eating there, I always have this image in my mind of rich widows from
    >> Neuilly who wouldn't know good Chinese food if it jumped up and bit them in the
    >> ass and traveling corporate types whose employers rent them apartments in the
    >> vicinity.
    >And since you haven't eaten there.....and since when is your personal preference an
    >indicator of what authentic is?

Le Foc Ly is, more or less, the Hard Rock Cafe of Chinese food, which might very
well make it authentic in your eyes. And you are right that there is no reason
for you to take my personal preference is an indicator of anything. I don't
really know how you folks choose restaurants, but I am told that Zagat is very
popular among corporate types. Why don't you check what Zagat Paris has to say
about Le Foc Ly?

    >> Same for Suntory: expensive, extremely corporate, full of Japanese businessmen.
    >A Japanese restaurant in Paris full of Japanese business men...intersting thought.
    >If it weren't "authentic" why are they there?

Japanese businessmen, for all their virtues, are not exactly famous for their
spirit of adventure and/or discernment as far as food is concerned. I'd much
rather go to a place frequented by regular, working-class Japanese (if in Japan) or
Americans (if in Europe), since at least Americans may know what good Japanese
tastes like. And no, you don't have to shell out $70 to get good Japanese food.

    >In my experience, your best dining experience is eating locally - so when in France,
    >eat French, when in Germany, eat German

This works... if you are traveling through. If you happen to live there, or at
least stay for long stretches at a time, it gets a bit monotonous, if you know what
I mean. There is only so much French food one can eat without mayonnaise coming up
your nose.

And speaking of food in France... I don't know if you really care to eat well
(probably not - Le Foc Ly, McDonalds, Hard Rock Cafe, brrr), but let me give you a
bit of friendly advice from my limited range of experiences. You seem to be
hanging out in all the wrong places. 8th, 9th, Neuilly... Even though the choices
in Paris *are* severely limited, you can do better than that. Go south and east.
You might even stretch your expense account a bit.

Amp_spamfree

[email protected] (Hatunen) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
    > On 14 Aug 2002 10:00:16 -0700, [email protected] (amp_spamfree) wrote:
    > >"Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >news:<[email protected] way.telekom.at>...
    > >> > And you still can't get an authentic German weinerschnitzel.
    > >> Since when was Wienerschnitzel german ?
    > >
    > >And moreover, Weiner schnitzel is not named for its origin but rather for it's
    > >preparation style - but I have had very good Weinerschnitzel in both Vienna and
    > >Salzburg, in case you were wondering.
    > And I've had very good wienerschnitzel in Moss beach, California, but I wouldn't
    > use that as an argument to claim it didn't originate in Wien.
    > >thanks for playing.
    > Your move.

Weiner art, not von Wein.

your court.

amp