Americans in Europe
Mar 12th 2004, 12:23 pm
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"devil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> She *specified* a Korean font set, but *did not* use any of the Korean
> characters in her article. None, zero, all perfectly readable 7 bit ASCI.
They were readable alright no has said anything else.
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[email protected]...> She *specified* a Korean font set, but *did not* use any of the Korean
> characters in her article. None, zero, all perfectly readable 7 bit ASCI.
They were readable alright no has said anything else.
Mar 12th 2004, 12:33 pm
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On 2004-03-11, Juliana L Holm <[email protected]> wrote:
> What I think happened is that I replied to something with those fields in the
> header, and the fields got carried into my reply.
No, the article you replied to had no such header fields, but did use
latin-1 characters (in the name of the poster). Your reply qouted the
name, and your reader or something on your site, decided that you must
have been using Korean.
> What I think happened is that I replied to something with those fields in the
> header, and the fields got carried into my reply.
No, the article you replied to had no such header fields, but did use
latin-1 characters (in the name of the poster). Your reply qouted the
name, and your reader or something on your site, decided that you must
have been using Korean.
Mar 12th 2004, 12:59 pm
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Juliana L Holm writes:
> I did not experience a lack of clean restrooms any of the three times I have
> been there.
No doubt because there are no restrooms at all in most of the park.
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> I did not experience a lack of clean restrooms any of the three times I have
> been there.
No doubt because there are no restrooms at all in most of the park.
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Mar 12th 2004, 1:24 pm
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Juliana L Holm writes:
>> I did not experience a lack of clean restrooms any of the three times I have
>> been there.
> No doubt because there are no restrooms at all in most of the park.
That is accurate, however, there are restrooms at many of the facilities on
the rim, and there are restrooms at Phantom Ranch, and I did use those
restrooms and they were clean. I did not have a problem finding a restroom
when I needed them (including on the hike down and up) and when I used a
restroom it was clean.
When hiking you DO have to plan a bit; especially on South Kaibab Trail.
Julie
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> Juliana L Holm writes:
>> I did not experience a lack of clean restrooms any of the three times I have
>> been there.
> No doubt because there are no restrooms at all in most of the park.
That is accurate, however, there are restrooms at many of the facilities on
the rim, and there are restrooms at Phantom Ranch, and I did use those
restrooms and they were clean. I did not have a problem finding a restroom
when I needed them (including on the hike down and up) and when I used a
restroom it was clean.
When hiking you DO have to plan a bit; especially on South Kaibab Trail.
Julie
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Mar 12th 2004, 4:32 pm
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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:12:24 GMT, Tim Challenger
<"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at"> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:50:15 -0700, Hatunen wrote:
>>>So, in your opinion, are the British European or not?
>>
>> Why is it necessqry for me to have an opinion? Surely the British
>> and the Europeans can sort this out.
>And who really cares? And if they did, does it matter either way?
it might to the British or the Europeans; being neither it has
little import for me, sve to know the appropriate terminology
once settled.
do ntoe that the post of mine you responded to addressed the
logic of the previous post, not the quesiton of whether Britain
is or isn't in Europe.
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<"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at"> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:50:15 -0700, Hatunen wrote:
>>>So, in your opinion, are the British European or not?
>>
>> Why is it necessqry for me to have an opinion? Surely the British
>> and the Europeans can sort this out.
>And who really cares? And if they did, does it matter either way?
it might to the British or the Europeans; being neither it has
little import for me, sve to know the appropriate terminology
once settled.
do ntoe that the post of mine you responded to addressed the
logic of the previous post, not the quesiton of whether Britain
is or isn't in Europe.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Mar 12th 2004, 5:45 pm
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Juliana L Holm writes:
> That is accurate, however, there are restrooms at many of the facilities on
> the rim, and there are restrooms at Phantom Ranch, and I did use those
> restrooms and they were clean.
It takes hours to get to or from the rim or Phantom Ranch.
> I did not have a problem finding a restroom
> when I needed them (including on the hike down and up) and when I used a
> restroom it was clean.
There are restrooms on those tiny trails? Things have changed!
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> That is accurate, however, there are restrooms at many of the facilities on
> the rim, and there are restrooms at Phantom Ranch, and I did use those
> restrooms and they were clean.
It takes hours to get to or from the rim or Phantom Ranch.
> I did not have a problem finding a restroom
> when I needed them (including on the hike down and up) and when I used a
> restroom it was clean.
There are restrooms on those tiny trails? Things have changed!
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Mar 12th 2004, 7:02 pm
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Juliana L Holm writes:
> It takes hours to get to or from the rim or Phantom Ranch.
There are restrooms on Bright Angel Trail at the 1 mile stop, at the two mile
stop and at Indian Gardens (plus one other stop, cannot remember where).
On the South Kaibab trail there are fewer.
> There are restrooms on those tiny trails? Things have changed!
There were in 1999.
They were rustic, as you might expect, but clean.
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> Juliana L Holm writes:
> It takes hours to get to or from the rim or Phantom Ranch.
There are restrooms on Bright Angel Trail at the 1 mile stop, at the two mile
stop and at Indian Gardens (plus one other stop, cannot remember where).
On the South Kaibab trail there are fewer.
> There are restrooms on those tiny trails? Things have changed!
There were in 1999.
They were rustic, as you might expect, but clean.
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Mar 12th 2004, 7:10 pm
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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:45:15 +0100, Mxsmanic
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Juliana L Holm writes:
>> That is accurate, however, there are restrooms at many of the facilities on
>> the rim, and there are restrooms at Phantom Ranch, and I did use those
>> restrooms and they were clean.
>It takes hours to get to or from the rim or Phantom Ranch.
>> I did not have a problem finding a restroom
>> when I needed them (including on the hike down and up) and when I used a
>> restroom it was clean.
>There are restrooms on those tiny trails? Things have changed!
A rock outcropping should serve just fine.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Juliana L Holm writes:
>> That is accurate, however, there are restrooms at many of the facilities on
>> the rim, and there are restrooms at Phantom Ranch, and I did use those
>> restrooms and they were clean.
>It takes hours to get to or from the rim or Phantom Ranch.
>> I did not have a problem finding a restroom
>> when I needed them (including on the hike down and up) and when I used a
>> restroom it was clean.
>There are restrooms on those tiny trails? Things have changed!
A rock outcropping should serve just fine.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Mar 12th 2004, 8:14 pm
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Hatunen writes:
> A rock outcropping should serve just fine.
No. Uncontrolled deposition of waste in the canyon is an ecological
hazard. If you raft down the canyon, for example, you have to bring all
your waste back with you. Otherwise the canyon would gradually turn
into a sewer.
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> A rock outcropping should serve just fine.
No. Uncontrolled deposition of waste in the canyon is an ecological
hazard. If you raft down the canyon, for example, you have to bring all
your waste back with you. Otherwise the canyon would gradually turn
into a sewer.
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Mar 12th 2004, 8:25 pm
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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:14:51 +0100, Mxsmanic
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hatunen writes:
>> A rock outcropping should serve just fine.
>No. Uncontrolled deposition of waste in the canyon is an ecological
>hazard. If you raft down the canyon, for example, you have to bring all
>your waste back with you. Otherwise the canyon would gradually turn
>into a sewer.
It was a joke, son.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hatunen writes:
>> A rock outcropping should serve just fine.
>No. Uncontrolled deposition of waste in the canyon is an ecological
>hazard. If you raft down the canyon, for example, you have to bring all
>your waste back with you. Otherwise the canyon would gradually turn
>into a sewer.
It was a joke, son.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Mar 13th 2004, 12:26 am
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randee wrote:
> IF you are going to the Alps, arguably there isn't much else to compare
> in the rest of Europe................ After the Alps the next stop
> would be the Canadian Rockies I would think.
Having seen both the Canadian Rockies and the Alps, I would say that the
Rockies are much more spectacular.
> IF you are going to the Alps, arguably there isn't much else to compare
> in the rest of Europe................ After the Alps the next stop
> would be the Canadian Rockies I would think.
Having seen both the Canadian Rockies and the Alps, I would say that the
Rockies are much more spectacular.
Mar 13th 2004, 12:28 am
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Juliana L Holm wrote:
> To each his own, I guess. No postcard I have ever seen can even come close
> to touching the Grand Canyon for me. Of course, I hiked into it and out
> again, but even before I hiked it I was awestruck.
Pictures just don't do it. I live a long way from any mountain range. I had
seen lots and lots of pictures of them, but they never prepared me for the real
thing. Pictures I took while in various mountain ranges were always
disappointing. They just don't capture the majesty of the real thing.
> To each his own, I guess. No postcard I have ever seen can even come close
> to touching the Grand Canyon for me. Of course, I hiked into it and out
> again, but even before I hiked it I was awestruck.
Pictures just don't do it. I live a long way from any mountain range. I had
seen lots and lots of pictures of them, but they never prepared me for the real
thing. Pictures I took while in various mountain ranges were always
disappointing. They just don't capture the majesty of the real thing.
Mar 13th 2004, 4:40 am
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> > It may be so that my reader is interpreting some of the 8-bit korean
> > characters as functions and parameters.
>
> She *specified* a Korean font set, but *did not* use any of the Korean
> characters in her article. None, zero, all perfectly readable 7 bit ASCI.
She cited the previous poster's name: Markku Grönroos. That's a non-
ASCII character -- specifically, an ISO 8859-1 or 8859-15 character --
after the "Gr" and before the "nroos". It is not, of course, a Korean
character.
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> > characters as functions and parameters.
>
> She *specified* a Korean font set, but *did not* use any of the Korean
> characters in her article. None, zero, all perfectly readable 7 bit ASCI.
She cited the previous poster's name: Markku Grönroos. That's a non-
ASCII character -- specifically, an ISO 8859-1 or 8859-15 character --
after the "Gr" and before the "nroos". It is not, of course, a Korean
character.
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Mar 13th 2004, 2:32 pm
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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:26:16 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
> randee wrote:
>
>> IF you are going to the Alps, arguably there isn't much else to compare
>> in the rest of Europe................ After the Alps the next stop
>> would be the Canadian Rockies I would think.
>
> Having seen both the Canadian Rockies and the Alps, I would say that the
> Rockies are much more spectacular.
That sounds like a huge generalization.
I look at the Rockies all day when at home and it's damn nice. Especially
in winter. May sound odd, but we really like winter, when the air is
crisp and clear and the view is wonderful.
But I bet you'll find equally nice views of the Alpes if you look for it.
The differences are:
1. I think the Alpes are higher than the Canadian Rockies which means
more snow;
2. From the Eastern side at least, because we get so little rain, the
landscape is more prairie-like than forest-like. Gets brown when no snow,
and the few trees around are rather thin. The trade-off, of course, is
that we get lots of sunshine wheile they have a good share of rainy days;
3. The Rockies are still mostly wilderness (except for a couple of
eyesores like Banff (OK, couldn't resist... - I support the bears and
cougars against German tourists :--)...) while the Alpes are mostly
populated/farmed etc.
> randee wrote:
>
>> IF you are going to the Alps, arguably there isn't much else to compare
>> in the rest of Europe................ After the Alps the next stop
>> would be the Canadian Rockies I would think.
>
> Having seen both the Canadian Rockies and the Alps, I would say that the
> Rockies are much more spectacular.
That sounds like a huge generalization.
I look at the Rockies all day when at home and it's damn nice. Especially
in winter. May sound odd, but we really like winter, when the air is
crisp and clear and the view is wonderful.
But I bet you'll find equally nice views of the Alpes if you look for it.
The differences are:
1. I think the Alpes are higher than the Canadian Rockies which means
more snow;
2. From the Eastern side at least, because we get so little rain, the
landscape is more prairie-like than forest-like. Gets brown when no snow,
and the few trees around are rather thin. The trade-off, of course, is
that we get lots of sunshine wheile they have a good share of rainy days;
3. The Rockies are still mostly wilderness (except for a couple of
eyesores like Banff (OK, couldn't resist... - I support the bears and
cougars against German tourists :--)...) while the Alpes are mostly
populated/farmed etc.
Mar 13th 2004, 6:42 pm
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In article <[email protected]>,
Juliana L Holm <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am not using html with Korean tags. I'm using plain text. I'm posting from
>tin and cannot use html. Must be some mistake here.
Not HTML, but for some reason that last message was annotated as having a
Korean character set:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR
All your others are US-ASCII though. Weird.
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Juliana L Holm <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am not using html with Korean tags. I'm using plain text. I'm posting from
>tin and cannot use html. Must be some mistake here.
Not HTML, but for some reason that last message was annotated as having a
Korean character set:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR
All your others are US-ASCII though. Weird.
miguel
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