Americans in Europe
Mar 13th 2004, 7:27 am
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Re: Americans in Europe
devil wrote:
> >> IF you are going to the Alps, arguably there isn't much else to compare
> >> in the rest of Europe................ After the Alps the next stop
> >> would be the Canadian Rockies I would think.
> >>
> >
> > Having seen both the Canadian Rockies and the Alps, I would say that the
> > Rockies are much more spectacular.
> That sounds like a huge generalization.
> I look at the Rockies all day when at home and it's damn nice. Especially
> in winter. May sound odd, but we really like winter, when the air is
> crisp and clear and the view is wonderful.
> But I bet you'll find equally nice views of the Alpes if you look for it.
> The differences are:
> 1. I think the Alpes are higher than the Canadian Rockies which means
> more snow;
First of all, I should acknowledge that "the Rockies" is more properly the
most easterly of several mountain ranges that run down the west side of Canada
and into the US. While the Alps highest points are a little higher than the
highest peaks of the Rockies, it doesn't make a heck of a lot of difference.
Mountains are huge, and that extra little bit is more or less insignificant.
Where the Rockies have the Alps beat is in the sheer volume. There are a lot
more of them.
Well, there are mountains and then there are mountains. Looking across as the
Cascades from Victoria you see a line of mountains. And then on a clear day
you see Mount Baker, and it dwarfs everything else. Some of the Alps are
higher. But when you are in the mountains it is difficult to tell exactly how
high they are. never the less, it takes more than just elevation to make a
mountain range spectacular..
> 2. From the Eastern side at least, because we get so little rain, the
> landscape is more prairie-like than forest-like. Gets brown when no snow,
> and the few trees around are rather thin. The trade-off, of course, is
> that we get lots of sunshine wheile they have a good share of rainy days;
Yep. I was in Colorado last year and disappointed to see the snow caps
missing. But I did enjoy the sunlight.
> 3. The Rockies are still mostly wilderness (except for a couple of
> eyesores like Banff (OK, couldn't resist... - I support the bears and
> cougars against German tourists :--)...) while the Alpes are mostly
> populated/farmed etc.
That is a huge difference. While travelling through the Alps there are lots
of nice little villages to stay in and to visit. I had the pleasure of staying
in Gimmelwald about ten years ago, and there are lots of similar villages up
on the mountains. They are quite civilized. There is nothing to compare with
that in the Canadian Rockies. Instead, you get vast expanses of wilderness,
which I consider to be a little more spectacular.
> >> IF you are going to the Alps, arguably there isn't much else to compare
> >> in the rest of Europe................ After the Alps the next stop
> >> would be the Canadian Rockies I would think.
> >>
> >
> > Having seen both the Canadian Rockies and the Alps, I would say that the
> > Rockies are much more spectacular.
> That sounds like a huge generalization.
> I look at the Rockies all day when at home and it's damn nice. Especially
> in winter. May sound odd, but we really like winter, when the air is
> crisp and clear and the view is wonderful.
> But I bet you'll find equally nice views of the Alpes if you look for it.
> The differences are:
> 1. I think the Alpes are higher than the Canadian Rockies which means
> more snow;
First of all, I should acknowledge that "the Rockies" is more properly the
most easterly of several mountain ranges that run down the west side of Canada
and into the US. While the Alps highest points are a little higher than the
highest peaks of the Rockies, it doesn't make a heck of a lot of difference.
Mountains are huge, and that extra little bit is more or less insignificant.
Where the Rockies have the Alps beat is in the sheer volume. There are a lot
more of them.
Well, there are mountains and then there are mountains. Looking across as the
Cascades from Victoria you see a line of mountains. And then on a clear day
you see Mount Baker, and it dwarfs everything else. Some of the Alps are
higher. But when you are in the mountains it is difficult to tell exactly how
high they are. never the less, it takes more than just elevation to make a
mountain range spectacular..
> 2. From the Eastern side at least, because we get so little rain, the
> landscape is more prairie-like than forest-like. Gets brown when no snow,
> and the few trees around are rather thin. The trade-off, of course, is
> that we get lots of sunshine wheile they have a good share of rainy days;
Yep. I was in Colorado last year and disappointed to see the snow caps
missing. But I did enjoy the sunlight.
> 3. The Rockies are still mostly wilderness (except for a couple of
> eyesores like Banff (OK, couldn't resist... - I support the bears and
> cougars against German tourists :--)...) while the Alpes are mostly
> populated/farmed etc.
That is a huge difference. While travelling through the Alps there are lots
of nice little villages to stay in and to visit. I had the pleasure of staying
in Gimmelwald about ten years ago, and there are lots of similar villages up
on the mountains. They are quite civilized. There is nothing to compare with
that in the Canadian Rockies. Instead, you get vast expanses of wilderness,
which I consider to be a little more spectacular.
Mar 13th 2004, 7:49 am
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Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Juliana L Holm <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I am not using html with Korean tags. I'm using plain text. I'm posting from
>>tin and cannot use html. Must be some mistake here.
> Not HTML, but for some reason that last message was annotated as having a
> Korean character set:
Looks like I replied to someone who had a non-ascii character in his name,
therefore I got the tags in the header
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> Juliana L Holm <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I am not using html with Korean tags. I'm using plain text. I'm posting from
>>tin and cannot use html. Must be some mistake here.
> Not HTML, but for some reason that last message was annotated as having a
> Korean character set:
Looks like I replied to someone who had a non-ascii character in his name,
therefore I got the tags in the header
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Mar 13th 2004, 12:34 pm
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On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:27:57 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
> That is a huge difference. While travelling through the Alps there are lots
> of nice little villages to stay in and to visit. I had the pleasure of staying
> in Gimmelwald about ten years ago, and there are lots of similar villages up
> on the mountains. They are quite civilized. There is nothing to compare with
> that in the Canadian Rockies. Instead, you get vast expanses of wilderness,
> which I consider to be a little more spectacular.
Plus the wildlife.
Still, there is value in both, and I would hesitate to make a strong claim
that one is better than the other.
Cheaper to come ski here though. Even if paying for a flight from Europe,
I suspect.
> That is a huge difference. While travelling through the Alps there are lots
> of nice little villages to stay in and to visit. I had the pleasure of staying
> in Gimmelwald about ten years ago, and there are lots of similar villages up
> on the mountains. They are quite civilized. There is nothing to compare with
> that in the Canadian Rockies. Instead, you get vast expanses of wilderness,
> which I consider to be a little more spectacular.
Plus the wildlife.
Still, there is value in both, and I would hesitate to make a strong claim
that one is better than the other.
Cheaper to come ski here though. Even if paying for a flight from Europe,
I suspect.
Mar 13th 2004, 12:43 pm
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This american views England as part of Europe. As do most people in my
small circle of friends and coworkers.
JS
Mxsmanic wrote:
> Juliana L Holm writes:
>
>
>>And for Americans who view any European Television at all, Europe is England.
>
>
> I don't think that Americans perceive England as part of Europe (neither
> do many people in England, for that matter). "Europe" means the other
> countries where English is not spoken. England is a special case.
>
small circle of friends and coworkers.
JS
Mxsmanic wrote:
> Juliana L Holm writes:
>
>
>>And for Americans who view any European Television at all, Europe is England.
>
>
> I don't think that Americans perceive England as part of Europe (neither
> do many people in England, for that matter). "Europe" means the other
> countries where English is not spoken. England is a special case.
>
Mar 13th 2004, 2:53 pm
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It is!
John Smith wrote:
> This american views England as part of Europe. As do most people in
> my small circle of friends and coworkers.
> JS
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>> Juliana L Holm writes:
>>> And for Americans who view any European Television at all, Europe is
>>> England.
>> I don't think that Americans perceive England as part of Europe (neither
>> do many people in England, for that matter). "Europe" means the other
>> countries where English is not spoken. England is a special case.
John Smith wrote:
> This american views England as part of Europe. As do most people in
> my small circle of friends and coworkers.
> JS
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>> Juliana L Holm writes:
>>> And for Americans who view any European Television at all, Europe is
>>> England.
>> I don't think that Americans perceive England as part of Europe (neither
>> do many people in England, for that matter). "Europe" means the other
>> countries where English is not spoken. England is a special case.
Mar 13th 2004, 5:03 pm
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AFAIR several companies run the rafting trips through the Canyon, and
there is no fee to hike down to the river and back from the rim...
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Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> randee writes:
>
> > Similarly, after the Grand Canyon, not much else in the US can compare,
> > except perhaps the Collegiate Peaks Wilderness Area of Colorado.
>
> The Grand Canyon in person looked just like the Grand Canyon in
> postcards to me, except that it was in three dimensions, and it was
> expensive and time-consuming to reach, and a single company had a
> monopoly on all lodging and services in the area, for which it charged a
> king's ransom. Postcards are more practical.
>
there is no fee to hike down to the river and back from the rim...
--
wf.
Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> randee writes:
>
> > Similarly, after the Grand Canyon, not much else in the US can compare,
> > except perhaps the Collegiate Peaks Wilderness Area of Colorado.
>
> The Grand Canyon in person looked just like the Grand Canyon in
> postcards to me, except that it was in three dimensions, and it was
> expensive and time-consuming to reach, and a single company had a
> monopoly on all lodging and services in the area, for which it charged a
> king's ransom. Postcards are more practical.
>
Mar 14th 2004, 8:33 pm
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Following up to Douglas W. Hoyt
>I think if you go to Disney World (or Las Vegas for that matter) you can
>already do ALL of them in one shot. Not only that, but you can do Europe
>and Persia as well without ever having to leave the premises.
I did it easier, I have a book, didn't leave home!
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>I think if you go to Disney World (or Las Vegas for that matter) you can
>already do ALL of them in one shot. Not only that, but you can do Europe
>and Persia as well without ever having to leave the premises.
I did it easier, I have a book, didn't leave home!
--
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"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking, Wasdale, Thames path, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Mar 14th 2004, 8:33 pm
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Following up to Juliana L Holm
>But we're comparing Europeans who have never been to the US to Americans who
>have never been to Europe. So I think listing Paris is a good example.
this is a good game, i'm a Euro who has never been to US. My
perception is I would want to visit:-
Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Monument valley is it called IIRC? NYC,
New Orleans and some little unknown town somewhere "middle
America". how does that seem?
for Europe; West coast Scotland, London, Bath, Paris, Amsterdam,
Bruges, Vienna, Moscow, the Swiss Alps, Venice, Bologna, San
Sebastian, Granada, Cordoba, Sevilla and smaller places in
Andalucia. Then i'm onto guessing places I dont know....
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>But we're comparing Europeans who have never been to the US to Americans who
>have never been to Europe. So I think listing Paris is a good example.
this is a good game, i'm a Euro who has never been to US. My
perception is I would want to visit:-
Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Monument valley is it called IIRC? NYC,
New Orleans and some little unknown town somewhere "middle
America". how does that seem?
for Europe; West coast Scotland, London, Bath, Paris, Amsterdam,
Bruges, Vienna, Moscow, the Swiss Alps, Venice, Bologna, San
Sebastian, Granada, Cordoba, Sevilla and smaller places in
Andalucia. Then i'm onto guessing places I dont know....
--
Mike Reid
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Mar 14th 2004, 8:33 pm
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Following up to pmlt
>I'd list several other cities, including ones (Freiburg,
>>Germany comes to mind) that most Americans would reply to saying Where?
>Freiburg? In Baden Wurthemberg? Are you sure this is a top
>destination? I was there during 4 hours and got bored with nothing to
>see. Did I miss it all?
I'm a Euro, where?
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>I'd list several other cities, including ones (Freiburg,
>>Germany comes to mind) that most Americans would reply to saying Where?
>Freiburg? In Baden Wurthemberg? Are you sure this is a top
>destination? I was there during 4 hours and got bored with nothing to
>see. Did I miss it all?
I'm a Euro, where?
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Mar 14th 2004, 8:33 pm
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Following up to Juliana L Holm
>Top cities most Americans have heard of. :-)
>To keep up the comparison, Freiburg is probably comparable to, say, Hmmmm,
>Charleston SC. An interesting city, but I bet few Europeans have heard of
>it. Or Santa Fe, NM.
I know the names of the two US places but not Freiburg, am I
unusual?
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>Top cities most Americans have heard of. :-)
>To keep up the comparison, Freiburg is probably comparable to, say, Hmmmm,
>Charleston SC. An interesting city, but I bet few Europeans have heard of
>it. Or Santa Fe, NM.
I know the names of the two US places but not Freiburg, am I
unusual?
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Mike Reid
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Mar 14th 2004, 8:33 pm
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Following up to Tim Challenger
>> Paris is considered a very romantic city by most of the world.
>Except by those who have been there.
LOL, seconded. Paris is supposed to be feminine, London
masculine, neither are very romantic IMHO.
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>> Paris is considered a very romantic city by most of the world.
>Except by those who have been there.
LOL, seconded. Paris is supposed to be feminine, London
masculine, neither are very romantic IMHO.
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Mike Reid
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Walking, Wasdale, Thames path, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Mar 14th 2004, 8:33 pm
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Following up to randee
>IF you are going to the Alps, arguably there isn't much else to compare
>in the rest of Europe................ After the Alps the next stop
>would be the Canadian Rockies I would think.
>Similarly, after the Grand Canyon, not much else in the US can compare,
>except perhaps the Collegiate Peaks Wilderness Area of Colorado.
Its wrong to judge just by size, the west coast of Scotland is
very beautiful although the peaks are only 3-4000 feet.
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>IF you are going to the Alps, arguably there isn't much else to compare
>in the rest of Europe................ After the Alps the next stop
>would be the Canadian Rockies I would think.
>Similarly, after the Grand Canyon, not much else in the US can compare,
>except perhaps the Collegiate Peaks Wilderness Area of Colorado.
Its wrong to judge just by size, the west coast of Scotland is
very beautiful although the peaks are only 3-4000 feet.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking, Wasdale, Thames path, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Mar 14th 2004, 8:33 pm
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>The Grand Canyon in person looked just like the Grand Canyon in
>postcards to me, except that it was in three dimensions,
Ive seen photos of girls and i've seen girls. You have to climb a
mountain to experience it.
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>The Grand Canyon in person looked just like the Grand Canyon in
>postcards to me, except that it was in three dimensions,
Ive seen photos of girls and i've seen girls. You have to climb a
mountain to experience it.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking, Wasdale, Thames path, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Mar 14th 2004, 8:33 pm
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>> To each his own, I guess. No postcard I have ever seen can even come close
>> to touching the Grand Canyon for me. Of course, I hiked into it and out
>> again, but even before I hiked it I was awestruck.
>I didn't like the lack of clean restrooms. I guess it's all a matter of
>opinion.
good wilderness experiences don't have restrooms, or is that your
point?
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>> To each his own, I guess. No postcard I have ever seen can even come close
>> to touching the Grand Canyon for me. Of course, I hiked into it and out
>> again, but even before I hiked it I was awestruck.
>I didn't like the lack of clean restrooms. I guess it's all a matter of
>opinion.
good wilderness experiences don't have restrooms, or is that your
point?
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking, Wasdale, Thames path, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Mar 14th 2004, 8:33 pm
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Following up to devil
>> I think many people think of England as being in Europe.
>Including even many Brits, I would think.
an ever increasing number, but you can still hear mainly older
people talking of "going to Europe".
The old newspaper headline "fog in channel, continent cut off"
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>> I think many people think of England as being in Europe.
>Including even many Brits, I would think.
an ever increasing number, but you can still hear mainly older
people talking of "going to Europe".
The old newspaper headline "fog in channel, continent cut off"
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking, Wasdale, Thames path, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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