Americans in Europe
Mar 11th 2004, 10:53 am
#76
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
Juliana L Holm writes:
> Not many other MOUNTAINS can compare, but surely there are other lovely
> and interesting thing. Zion and Bryce Canyon in the west, the beautiful
> Appalachian Trail; historic Boston and Philadelphia, Exciting New Orleans,
> the mighty Mississippi River, the ST. Lawrence Seaway, the costal Drive up
> California's coast. Lots of fascinating stuff in the US
Hoover Dam
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
> Not many other MOUNTAINS can compare, but surely there are other lovely
> and interesting thing. Zion and Bryce Canyon in the west, the beautiful
> Appalachian Trail; historic Boston and Philadelphia, Exciting New Orleans,
> the mighty Mississippi River, the ST. Lawrence Seaway, the costal Drive up
> California's coast. Lots of fascinating stuff in the US
Hoover Dam
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
Mar 11th 2004, 10:53 am
#77
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
Padraig Breathnach writes:
> That is considered a problem by the descendants of those who inhabited
> those places before the European invasion.
Life is tough.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
> That is considered a problem by the descendants of those who inhabited
> those places before the European invasion.
Life is tough.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
Mar 11th 2004, 11:24 am
#78
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:48:07 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:44:57 +0000, Keith Anderson
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Hmm - dodn't put that very well, did I - I meant that if one looks at
>>>linguistic, historical and cultural heritage, to say that the British
>>>are not European is a bit daft.
>>Oh, well, looked at in light of "linguistic, historical and
>>cultural heritage", the United States and Canada are European.
>>And Australia. And New Zealand.
>That is considered a problem by the descendants of those who inhabited
>those places before the European invasion.
Not much different than the waves of, um, "immigration" into the
British Isles.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:44:57 +0000, Keith Anderson
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Hmm - dodn't put that very well, did I - I meant that if one looks at
>>>linguistic, historical and cultural heritage, to say that the British
>>>are not European is a bit daft.
>>Oh, well, looked at in light of "linguistic, historical and
>>cultural heritage", the United States and Canada are European.
>>And Australia. And New Zealand.
>That is considered a problem by the descendants of those who inhabited
>those places before the European invasion.
Not much different than the waves of, um, "immigration" into the
British Isles.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Mar 11th 2004, 11:35 am
#79
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:24:44 -0700, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:48:07 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:44:57 +0000, Keith Anderson
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Hmm - dodn't put that very well, did I - I meant that if one looks at
>>>>linguistic, historical and cultural heritage, to say that the British
>>>>are not European is a bit daft.
>>>Oh, well, looked at in light of "linguistic, historical and
>>>cultural heritage", the United States and Canada are European.
>>>And Australia. And New Zealand.
>>That is considered a problem by the descendants of those who inhabited
>>those places before the European invasion.
>Not much different than the waves of, um, "immigration" into the
>British Isles.
So, in your opinion, are the British European or not?
>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:48:07 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:44:57 +0000, Keith Anderson
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Hmm - dodn't put that very well, did I - I meant that if one looks at
>>>>linguistic, historical and cultural heritage, to say that the British
>>>>are not European is a bit daft.
>>>Oh, well, looked at in light of "linguistic, historical and
>>>cultural heritage", the United States and Canada are European.
>>>And Australia. And New Zealand.
>>That is considered a problem by the descendants of those who inhabited
>>those places before the European invasion.
>Not much different than the waves of, um, "immigration" into the
>British Isles.
So, in your opinion, are the British European or not?
Mar 11th 2004, 11:50 am
#80
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:35:20 +0000, Keith Anderson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:24:44 -0700, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:48:07 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:44:57 +0000, Keith Anderson
>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>Hmm - dodn't put that very well, did I - I meant that if one looks at
>>>>>linguistic, historical and cultural heritage, to say that the British
>>>>>are not European is a bit daft.
>>>>Oh, well, looked at in light of "linguistic, historical and
>>>>cultural heritage", the United States and Canada are European.
>>>>And Australia. And New Zealand.
>>>That is considered a problem by the descendants of those who inhabited
>>>those places before the European invasion.
>>Not much different than the waves of, um, "immigration" into the
>>British Isles.
>So, in your opinion, are the British European or not?
Why is it necessqry for me to have an opinion? Surely the British
and the Europeans can sort this out.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:24:44 -0700, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:48:07 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:44:57 +0000, Keith Anderson
>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>Hmm - dodn't put that very well, did I - I meant that if one looks at
>>>>>linguistic, historical and cultural heritage, to say that the British
>>>>>are not European is a bit daft.
>>>>Oh, well, looked at in light of "linguistic, historical and
>>>>cultural heritage", the United States and Canada are European.
>>>>And Australia. And New Zealand.
>>>That is considered a problem by the descendants of those who inhabited
>>>those places before the European invasion.
>>Not much different than the waves of, um, "immigration" into the
>>British Isles.
>So, in your opinion, are the British European or not?
Why is it necessqry for me to have an opinion? Surely the British
and the Europeans can sort this out.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Mar 11th 2004, 12:16 pm
#81
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:53:32 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Juliana L Holm writes:
>> Not many other MOUNTAINS can compare, but surely there are other lovely
>> and interesting thing. Zion and Bryce Canyon in the west, the beautiful
>> Appalachian Trail; historic Boston and Philadelphia, Exciting New Orleans,
>> the mighty Mississippi River, the ST. Lawrence Seaway, the costal Drive up
>> California's coast. Lots of fascinating stuff in the US
>Hoover Dam
And be sure and take the dam tour. Standing at the base of the dam,
looking up, is much the same feeling as one gets at the front doors of
the Cologne cathedral.
Gordon
wrote:
>Juliana L Holm writes:
>> Not many other MOUNTAINS can compare, but surely there are other lovely
>> and interesting thing. Zion and Bryce Canyon in the west, the beautiful
>> Appalachian Trail; historic Boston and Philadelphia, Exciting New Orleans,
>> the mighty Mississippi River, the ST. Lawrence Seaway, the costal Drive up
>> California's coast. Lots of fascinating stuff in the US
>Hoover Dam
And be sure and take the dam tour. Standing at the base of the dam,
looking up, is much the same feeling as one gets at the front doors of
the Cologne cathedral.
Gordon
Mar 11th 2004, 12:54 pm
#82
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
Gordon Forbess writes:
> And be sure and take the dam tour.
I thought the hard-hat tours had been discontinued so that Americans
could hide under their beds.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
> And be sure and take the dam tour.
I thought the hard-hat tours had been discontinued so that Americans
could hide under their beds.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
Mar 11th 2004, 1:06 pm
#83
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:39:31 +0200, Markku Grönroos wrote:
>
> "devil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news
[email protected]...
>> rtf is nonstandard. It's proprietary Microsoft crap. Sure it's text.
>> But no, her article was not rtf. Was not formatted. See the header.
>> Specifies the article was *plain text.* Using a Korean character set. My
>> guess is that there must be braindead newsreaders that do weird things in
>> that situation.
> It may be so that my reader is interpreting some of the 8-bit korean
> characters as functions and parameters.
She *specified* a Korean font set, but *did not* use any of the Korean
characters in her article. None, zero, all perfectly readable 7 bit ASCI.
>
> "devil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news
[email protected]...>> rtf is nonstandard. It's proprietary Microsoft crap. Sure it's text.
>> But no, her article was not rtf. Was not formatted. See the header.
>> Specifies the article was *plain text.* Using a Korean character set. My
>> guess is that there must be braindead newsreaders that do weird things in
>> that situation.
> It may be so that my reader is interpreting some of the 8-bit korean
> characters as functions and parameters.
She *specified* a Korean font set, but *did not* use any of the Korean
characters in her article. None, zero, all perfectly readable 7 bit ASCI.
Mar 11th 2004, 1:45 pm
#84
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:41:17 +0100, Magda wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:48:37 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, devil <[email protected]>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:09:36 +0100, Magda wrote:
> ...
> ... > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 06:24:50 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> ... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... >
> ... > ... Juliana L Holm writes:
> ... > ...
> ... > ... > It is considered a very romantic city in the US.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Paris is considered a very romantic city by most of the world.
> ... >
> ... > By those who have chosen to live there ! :-)
> ...
> ... I suppose it depends upon one's nose?
>
> If you know a capital that smell like roses, I would like to know where it is.
Still, Paris stands out. Is that what makes it romantic to some then?
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:48:37 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, devil <[email protected]>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:09:36 +0100, Magda wrote:
> ...
> ... > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 06:24:50 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> ... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... >
> ... > ... Juliana L Holm writes:
> ... > ...
> ... > ... > It is considered a very romantic city in the US.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Paris is considered a very romantic city by most of the world.
> ... >
> ... > By those who have chosen to live there ! :-)
> ...
> ... I suppose it depends upon one's nose?
>
> If you know a capital that smell like roses, I would like to know where it is.
Still, Paris stands out. Is that what makes it romantic to some then?
Mar 11th 2004, 2:14 pm
#85
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> randee writes:
>> Similarly, after the Grand Canyon, not much else in the US can compare,
>> except perhaps the Collegiate Peaks Wilderness Area of Colorado.
> The Grand Canyon in person looked just like the Grand Canyon in
> postcards to me, except that it was in three dimensions, and it was
> expensive and time-consuming to reach, and a single company had a
> monopoly on all lodging and services in the area, for which it charged a
> king's ransom. Postcards are more practical.
To each his own, I guess. No postcard I have ever seen can even come close
to touching the Grand Canyon for me. Of course, I hiked into it and out
again, but even before I hiked it I was awestruck.
Julie
--
Julie
**********
Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at
http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
> randee writes:
>> Similarly, after the Grand Canyon, not much else in the US can compare,
>> except perhaps the Collegiate Peaks Wilderness Area of Colorado.
> The Grand Canyon in person looked just like the Grand Canyon in
> postcards to me, except that it was in three dimensions, and it was
> expensive and time-consuming to reach, and a single company had a
> monopoly on all lodging and services in the area, for which it charged a
> king's ransom. Postcards are more practical.
To each his own, I guess. No postcard I have ever seen can even come close
to touching the Grand Canyon for me. Of course, I hiked into it and out
again, but even before I hiked it I was awestruck.
Julie
--
Julie
**********
Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at
http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
Mar 11th 2004, 7:11 pm
#86
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:44:57 +0000, Keith Anderson wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:03:42 GMT, Tim Challenger
> <"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at"> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:04:24 +0000, Keith Anderson wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:34:21 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:28:05 +0000, Juliana L Holm wrote:
>>>>> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Juliana L Holm writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And for Americans who view any European Television at all, Europe is England.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think that Americans perceive England as part of Europe (neither
>>>>>> do many people in England, for that matter). "Europe" means the other
>>>>>> countries where English is not spoken. England is a special case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm. I disagree.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think many people think of England as being in Europe.
>>>>Including even many Brits, I would think.
>>>
>>> As to those Brits who don't, I often wonder where they think they
>>> originate - outer space perhaps?
> Hmm - dodn't put that very well, did I - I meant that if one looks at
> linguistic, historical and cultural heritage, to say that the British
> are not European is a bit daft.
>>In Britain. Obviously.
That wasn't ever in question.
Most people don't conciously consider the evolution and roots of their
language and culture. The "feel" thier identity. If that makes sense.
--
Tim.
If the human brain were simple enough that we could understand it, we would
be so simple that we couldn't.
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:03:42 GMT, Tim Challenger
> <"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at"> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:04:24 +0000, Keith Anderson wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:34:21 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:28:05 +0000, Juliana L Holm wrote:
>>>>> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Juliana L Holm writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And for Americans who view any European Television at all, Europe is England.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think that Americans perceive England as part of Europe (neither
>>>>>> do many people in England, for that matter). "Europe" means the other
>>>>>> countries where English is not spoken. England is a special case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm. I disagree.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think many people think of England as being in Europe.
>>>>Including even many Brits, I would think.
>>>
>>> As to those Brits who don't, I often wonder where they think they
>>> originate - outer space perhaps?
> Hmm - dodn't put that very well, did I - I meant that if one looks at
> linguistic, historical and cultural heritage, to say that the British
> are not European is a bit daft.
>>In Britain. Obviously.
That wasn't ever in question.
Most people don't conciously consider the evolution and roots of their
language and culture. The "feel" thier identity. If that makes sense.
--
Tim.
If the human brain were simple enough that we could understand it, we would
be so simple that we couldn't.
Mar 11th 2004, 7:12 pm
#87
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:50:15 -0700, Hatunen wrote:
>>So, in your opinion, are the British European or not?
>
> Why is it necessqry for me to have an opinion? Surely the British
> and the Europeans can sort this out.
And who really cares? And if they did, does it matter either way?
--
Tim.
If the human brain were simple enough that we could understand it, we would
be so simple that we couldn't.
>>So, in your opinion, are the British European or not?
>
> Why is it necessqry for me to have an opinion? Surely the British
> and the Europeans can sort this out.
And who really cares? And if they did, does it matter either way?
--
Tim.
If the human brain were simple enough that we could understand it, we would
be so simple that we couldn't.
Mar 11th 2004, 7:16 pm
#88
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
Juliana L Holm writes:
> To each his own, I guess. No postcard I have ever seen can even come close
> to touching the Grand Canyon for me. Of course, I hiked into it and out
> again, but even before I hiked it I was awestruck.
I didn't like the lack of clean restrooms. I guess it's all a matter of
opinion.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
> To each his own, I guess. No postcard I have ever seen can even come close
> to touching the Grand Canyon for me. Of course, I hiked into it and out
> again, but even before I hiked it I was awestruck.
I didn't like the lack of clean restrooms. I guess it's all a matter of
opinion.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
Mar 11th 2004, 10:44 pm
#89
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:45:29 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, devil <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... Still, Paris stands out. Is that what makes it romantic to some then?
I wouldn't know. You belong to a place, or you don't.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... Still, Paris stands out. Is that what makes it romantic to some then?
I wouldn't know. You belong to a place, or you don't.
Mar 11th 2004, 11:49 pm
#90
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Americans in Europe
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Juliana L Holm writes:
>> To each his own, I guess. No postcard I have ever seen can even come close
>> to touching the Grand Canyon for me. Of course, I hiked into it and out
>> again, but even before I hiked it I was awestruck.
> I didn't like the lack of clean restrooms. I guess it's all a matter of
> opinion.
I did not experience a lack of clean restrooms any of the three times I have
been there. Even in August.
Julie
--
Julie
**********
Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at
http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
> Juliana L Holm writes:
>> To each his own, I guess. No postcard I have ever seen can even come close
>> to touching the Grand Canyon for me. Of course, I hiked into it and out
>> again, but even before I hiked it I was awestruck.
> I didn't like the lack of clean restrooms. I guess it's all a matter of
> opinion.
I did not experience a lack of clean restrooms any of the three times I have
been there. Even in August.
Julie
--
Julie
**********
Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at
http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
