How can australia be such a vibrant colourful place full of vibrant colourful people
yet NZ is full washed out people with little opinion on anything.
How did nz fall so far behind oz when they were basically starting
from the same point at the same time.
australians know how good australia is yet kiwis try to convince themselves
that nz is not as bad as they know it is.
What went wrong with this place

theres nothing really "wrong" with the place we just need a lot more people and a lot more competition evry major industry is a monopoly here

Neil

I think Oz is a way 'sexier' place than NZ however I have always said I would not want to live in most of it..too hot and too big. I spent some months there back in the 90s and it is an utterly fantastic country but not for my wife Kate, she has a huge problem with insects and snakes. I actually think I would consider living there now if I had to opportunity I would consider Tazzy as my 1st choice. Anyway both countries have obviously gone down different paths and have attracted different people. Also the huge mineral wealth in Oz puts a big slant on everything I reckon. NZ is the quiet somewhat backward younger sibbling to Oz innit? Its all about horses for courses aye? I don't think NZ is full of washed up people, mad, eccentric ones but not washed up ones. Are you tiring of the place then?

What an excellent set of questions.

Two countries, outwardly so similar but soooo different.

I'm sure that one of the reasons is that Australia doesn't really care where you're from as long as you're prepared to muck-in and become "Aussie."

It's very much one nation, unlike NZ which is markedly bi-cultural and tends to treat outsiders (and their ways) with reticence.

As to vibrancy - I'm sure the better weather has got a lot to do with it, sunshine and warmth makes such a difference to people's disposition.

Given a choice I would have liked to have tried NZ first but I happened to knock-up an Aussie bird on holiday.

Doing a couple of weeks in NZ is very appealing, not sure about living, like Genesis I'd try Tazzy first ... that kind of pace suits me lovely.

Warmth is nice but brain-stifling humidity is less so ... I suffer Brisbane summers for the kind of weather we have now.

Yeh, some of Oz is vibrant and shiny and outdoorsy and welcoming and all that but we have our fair share of problem areas even in the sunshine ...

Every place has them, the knack is to get the balance right for you.

A place doesn't have to be perfect (nowhere is) just better for you personally at that particular moment in your life.

That's why it's so important not to burn bridges - as your circumstances change it's important to have as many options still open to you as possible, closing them down isn't a good idea.

Perhaps that is why Australia succeeds - there are simply more options available?

Oz has many more options than NZ. Oz is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay richer, more progressive and waaaaaaaaaay more full of money than NZ. NZ is a very slow country. I hope my kids seek out a new life there. I love NZ but I can see the limitations for young people who are on the career path.

If I was a young kiwi I would do one to Oz..no doubt about it. But for me my wife and our current circumstances NZ and Palmy will do just fine for now. It is a compromise of course as most agree the lives of us little people are normally flecked with the latter.

Lets just say i am not saying no to that question
but like you have others to consider/convince.
theoretical at the moment as would need another 3 years here.

How can australia be such a vibrant colourful place full of vibrant colourful people - Sounds like Disney Land

yet NZ is full washed out people with little opinion on anything. - Also translates to relaxed people who dont sound like yanks

How did nz fall so far behind oz when they were basically starting
from the same point at the same time. - Sounds like a numbers issue what is attracting me to NZ is the lack of numbers tbh

australians know how good australia is yet kiwis try to convince themselves
that nz is not as bad as they know it is.- Australians think that Oz is good and expect everyone else too also. I know a few who work with me in the UK and im fed up of hearing how good it is.

I like my version better

Perhaps when/If i do move all of the above will be proved to be the mindless ramblings of a sad deluded dreamer and i may hate the place

A while ago there was a discussion on the radio about the benefits to each country of joining together.
The outcome was we could give them water and some dairy produce and they could give us everything else.

You sure the grass is greener in Oz? I heard it was very dry. Why don't you try somewhere like Singapore, Dubai or New York? Very vibrant I hear and they pay lots too!

Or, if you're after the sand and the nightlife, I hear it's buzzing in Ibiza.

The bars and fast food joints in London aren't just full of travelling Kiwis, they're full of travelling Aussies too. I can't stand London and don't understand why anyone in their right mind would want to live there except to earn more money - it obviously attracts many people and has a population big enough to support its infrastructure. Each to his own I guess.

Seriously though Colandros, I don't have a problem with anything you're saying, but I don't understand why, if you're attracted by the bright city lights and a high disposable income that you chose to go to NZ in the first place?

I've seen no Kiwi propaganda that says come to NZ to earn big bucks and live life in the fast lane. The only propaganda I've seen is come to NZ because it's unspoilt and attractive and full of friendly locals. (which is admittedly debateable, but that's a different issue!)

WP

[QUOTE=Expat Kiwi;8695017]What an excellent set of questions.


I'm sure that one of the reasons is that Australia doesn't really care where you're from as long as you're prepared to muck-in and become "Aussie."

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There have been a number of attacks on Asians recently in OZ. Not sure if they were trying to become Aussie or not but they were attacked because of where they came from. Of course, that's not specific to Oz but IMO I don't think they are any more welcoming or accepting than any other country.

only on the surface - welcoming or accepting.

Where's it going to be then France or Germany?

A Kiwi offered me what he termed "sound NZ advice".........If you are a City boy and look for manufactured entertainment then do not think about NZ as a home cos here you have to make your own!