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Old Jun 5th 2013, 5:02 am
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Hi

I got a quote back yesterday for our 2 dogs - just short of $7000 AKL to Heathrow. Has anyone gone direct from CHC? I have been told they can go as excess baggage from CHC to AKL and the company will send the crates down for them to travel in. This has completely panicked me now.

I've been measuring for days in case I make a mistake and get wrong size crates

I just know I am going to be in a state the entire flight wishing I could check on them!

Quote was from Aircare Pet Services - any feedback would be much appreciated.
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Are you causing trouble and being rude again, Poppy? She's an animal judge you know.
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Originally Posted by Choccie
Hi

I got a quote back yesterday for our 2 dogs - just short of $7000 AKL to Heathrow. Has anyone gone direct from CHC? I have been told they can go as excess baggage from CHC to AKL and the company will send the crates down for them to travel in. This has completely panicked me now.

I've been measuring for days in case I make a mistake and get wrong size crates

I just know I am going to be in a state the entire flight wishing I could check on them!

Quote was from Aircare Pet Services - any feedback would be much appreciated.
I must be stupid, but I don't know what AKL and CHC means
$7000 seems a tad high to me. Have you checked with other companies regarding prices?
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I must be stupid, but I don't know what AKL and CHC means
They're airport codes!
AKL=Auckland.
CHC=Christchurch.
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Originally Posted by larrabee
They're airport codes!
AKL=Auckland.
CHC=Christchurch.
ok - thanks - thought they were, but didn't know what
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Sit girl, sit!

I hope you realise that you've made Lassie The Dog Whisperer very annoyed with you.
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Sit girl, sit!

I hope you realise that you've made Lassie The Dog Whisperer very annoyed with you.
I guess I am in the dog house!
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I guess I am in the dog house!
Or the Woodhouse? if she gets hold of you, she'll yank your choke collar.
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Or the Woodhouse? if she gets hold of you, she'll yank your choke collar.
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Its okay, I won't tell anyone how I know you've got a choke collar.
At least she can't pull your tail.
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I went to the vets today just to really go over with him which papers need to be filled out and the tapeworm treatment the dog will need too.

As much as I trust his skills as a vet, the consultation almost ended up with me having to tell him what needed to be done as per the DEFRA website and USDA rules and regs.

He is a USDA approved vet and therefore I'd have thought that in order to get this seal of approval, he'd at least have an inkling of what has to be filled out etc for an animal to travel !
I may have to call the main office in Harrisburg PA tomorrow just to find out if there are any other approved vets in my vicinity that may have experience of doing this

I don't want to be second guessing my vets paperwork skills at this stage in the game
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I went to the vets today just to really go over with him which papers need to be filled out and the tapeworm treatment the dog will need too.

As much as I trust his skills as a vet, the consultation almost ended up with me having to tell him what needed to be done as per the DEFRA website and USDA rules and regs.

He is a USDA approved vet and therefore I'd have thought that in order to get this seal of approval, he'd at least have an inkling of what has to be filled out etc for an animal to travel !
I may have to call the main office in Harrisburg PA tomorrow just to find out if there are any other approved vets in my vicinity that may have experience of doing this

I don't want to be second guessing my vets paperwork skills at this stage in the game
With respect, you (unfairly) seem to be expecting your vet to be able to tell you what you need to do as regards DEFRA's regulations.

The key is DEFRA, not the USDA. You can only reasonably expect a USDA (US Department of Agriculture) vet to know what regulations are applicable for import/export of food chain animals in regards to this country, not to be an authority on every other country in the world. Being fair, he's a vet, not someone claiming to be a domestic/small animal export specialist for animals that are regulated by DEFRA.
As a pet owner I'd actually expect (and want) to not only read the DEFRA website, but to make sure I obtained all the relevant and current information from them myself, and then go to the person that's licenced to stamp the US paperwork.
I really wouldn't expect my vet to know what DEFRA requires, and neither would I want to trust or rely on anyone else to make sure all the steps were followed as per DEFRA's rules. You're the one that needs to be sure everything has been done correctly before you get to the other end of the journey.

Everyone here seems to be giving out good information, and DERA is clear on it's website, so you really shouldn't need to second guess anything.
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Default Re: New DEFRA Regs from January 2012

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With respect, you (unfairly) seem to be expecting your vet to be able to tell you what you need to do as regards DEFRA's regulations.

The key is DEFRA, not the USDA. You can only reasonably expect a USDA (US Department of Agriculture) vet to know what regulations are applicable for import/export of food chain animals in regards to this country, not to be an authority on every other country in the world. Being fair, he's a vet, not someone claiming to be a domestic/small animal export specialist for animals that are regulated by DEFRA.
As a pet owner I'd actually expect (and want) to not only read the DEFRA website, but to make sure I obtained all the relevant and current information from them myself, and then go to the person that's licenced to stamp the US paperwork.
I really wouldn't expect my vet to know what DEFRA requires, and neither would I want to trust or rely on anyone else to make sure all the steps were followed as per DEFRA's rules. You're the one that needs to be sure everything has been done correctly before you get to the other end of the journey.

Everyone here seems to be giving out good information, and DERA is clear on it's website, so you really shouldn't need to second guess anything.
Bit harsh for someone trying to do this by herself - although I do understand what you are saying.
I talked to our vet about it and she really didn't know too much although she had done the stuff for a cat to send to Ireland and she said it took 6 months - not really sure why.
I think if it were me, I would be freaking out a bit as well in that position, what with worrying about the pets and getting everything straight.
To Elizabeth K - aren't you going through Air Animal? They are in touch with the vet, making sure all paperwork is correct and faxing back and forth etc. Please try not to worry too much - I am sure everything will be fine.
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Originally Posted by ElizabethK
I went to the vets today just to really go over with him which papers need to be filled out and the tapeworm treatment the dog will need too.

As much as I trust his skills as a vet, the consultation almost ended up with me having to tell him what needed to be done as per the DEFRA website and USDA rules and regs.

He is a USDA approved vet and therefore I'd have thought that in order to get this seal of approval, he'd at least have an inkling of what has to be filled out etc for an animal to travel !
I may have to call the main office in Harrisburg PA tomorrow just to find out if there are any other approved vets in my vicinity that may have experience of doing this

I don't want to be second guessing my vets paperwork skills at this stage in the game
Originally Posted by paranoidandroid
With respect, you (unfairly) seem to be expecting your vet to be able to tell you what you need to do as regards DEFRA's regulations.

The key is DEFRA, not the USDA. You can only reasonably expect a USDA (US Department of Agriculture) vet to know what regulations are applicable for import/export of food chain animals in regards to this country, not to be an authority on every other country in the world. Being fair, he's a vet, not someone claiming to be a domestic/small animal export specialist for animals that are regulated by DEFRA.
As a pet owner I'd actually expect (and want) to not only read the DEFRA website, but to make sure I obtained all the relevant and current information from them myself, and then go to the person that's licenced to stamp the US paperwork.
I really wouldn't expect my vet to know what DEFRA requires, and neither would I want to trust or rely on anyone else to make sure all the steps were followed as per DEFRA's rules. You're the one that needs to be sure everything has been done correctly before you get to the other end of the journey.

Everyone here seems to be giving out good information, and DERA is clear on it's website, so you really shouldn't need to second guess anything.


I get both of your thoughts on this topic, yes it is up to us as the pet owners to make the final call and be happy with the final paperwork.

But let's not forget different airlines and states have different regulations for pets exiting the US I went to 3 vets before I found one that helped me with the paperwork and they were all USDA approved but no one knew what to do, maybe this is because the new laws for pets entering into the UK only changed Jan 2012 and is relatively new to most vets, mine cheeky sods charged me $100 to collect info to let the cat leave the US So I guess being approved and actually knowing what you are doing are 2 different things, ie ask the vet " I understand you are approved but do you know and understand the process, do you have experience with it"
When I was a at LHR waiting to collect kitty so many folk from military personal to pet carrier companys had incorrect paperwork, faxs were flying all over the place to different countries to get the right info sent over before they would release the pets.
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