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Old Apr 6th 2013, 9:16 pm
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Pooch and I made it to the UK in one piece without extraordinary problems, the trouble is my lil old brain is too tired and jetlagged to write a coherent report. So, if anyone has any questions about the process (by air from Canada to NL, then train and ferry Hoek van Holland to Harwich) please fire away.

All I can think of right now is:

The paperwork that caused so much worry was actually the easiest part.

My dog didn't cope as well as I hoped with the stress but bounced back quickly; if ever he has a big journey again I would look more into natural calming agents to help him with anxiety.

Stenalines ferry service rocks (well actually it doesn't haha) for both pets and humans.

It's good to be back, though we're both still a bit cream crackered. Night night!
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Originally Posted by happyglow
Pooch and I made it to the UK in one piece without extraordinary problems, the trouble is my lil old brain is too tired and jetlagged to write a coherent report. So, if anyone has any questions about the process (by air from Canada to NL, then train and ferry Hoek van Holland to Harwich) please fire away.

All I can think of right now is:

The paperwork that caused so much worry was actually the easiest part.

My dog didn't cope as well as I hoped with the stress but bounced back quickly; if ever he has a big journey again I would look more into natural calming agents to help him with anxiety.

Stenalines ferry service rocks (well actually it doesn't haha) for both pets and humans.

It's good to be back, though we're both still a bit cream crackered. Night night!
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Old Apr 7th 2013, 6:30 am
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Thank you! And thanks incredibly much for all your help during my preparations for the Big Trip.

Luckily one part my dog did quite learn to like after a shaky start was the trains (feeding him cheese butty and crisps while sat on my lap helped ) so we will be doing some fun day trips together this summer.
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Thank you! And thanks incredibly much for all your help during my preparations for the Big Trip.

Luckily one part my dog did quite learn to like after a shaky start was the trains (feeding him cheese butty and crisps while sat on my lap helped ) so we will be doing some fun day trips together this summer.
Poor doggie!! I am glad he is doing better now. Was it the flight that stressed him? He must have been so glad to see you when you went to pick him up and perhaps a little worried about what was to come later.

Now that he is more acclimatized to the train travel, you will both enjoy the upcoming summer outings
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Originally Posted by happyglow
Pooch and I made it to the UK in one piece without extraordinary problems, the trouble is my lil old brain is too tired and jetlagged to write a coherent report. So, if anyone has any questions about the process (by air from Canada to NL, then train and ferry Hoek van Holland to Harwich) please fire away.

All I can think of right now is:

The paperwork that caused so much worry was actually the easiest part.

My dog didn't cope as well as I hoped with the stress but bounced back quickly; if ever he has a big journey again I would look more into natural calming agents to help him with anxiety.

Stenalines ferry service rocks (well actually it doesn't haha) for both pets and humans.

It's good to be back, though we're both still a bit cream crackered. Night night!

So glad all went well and you are back safely. I think it would be a bit/lot stressfull for our pets as well, which although more expensive - I would opt for the least amount of time and confusion for them (and us).
Don't be a stranger and let us know how you are all getting along back in the UK.
I hope the summer is kind to you - love those summer days - one thing I miss terribly - we just get heat and humidity for months on end
Take care - all the best and thanks for the post
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Default Re: New DEFRA Regs from January 2012

Originally Posted by happyglow
Pooch and I made it to the UK in one piece without extraordinary problems, the trouble is my lil old brain is too tired and jetlagged to write a coherent report. So, if anyone has any questions about the process (by air from Canada to NL, then train and ferry Hoek van Holland to Harwich) please fire away.

All I can think of right now is:

The paperwork that caused so much worry was actually the easiest part.

My dog didn't cope as well as I hoped with the stress but bounced back quickly; if ever he has a big journey again I would look more into natural calming agents to help him with anxiety.

Stenalines ferry service rocks (well actually it doesn't haha) for both pets and humans.

It's good to be back, though we're both still a bit cream crackered. Night night!
All the best with everything, glad that you had a decent trip back.

I'm going to have to go through a lot of this when I finally make it out of the US, in the not too distant future. From the information I'm seeing posted here it seems as if it shoudn't be too difficult.
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- one thing I miss terribly - we just get heat and humidity for months on end
I know what you mean, I've never enjoyed it, or got used to it.
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So glad all went well and you are back safely. I think it would be a bit/lot stressfull for our pets as well, which although more expensive - I would opt for the least amount of time and confusion for them (and us).
Don't be a stranger and let us know how you are all getting along back in the UK.
I hope the summer is kind to you - love those summer days - one thing I miss terribly - we just get heat and humidity for months on end
Take care - all the best and thanks for the post
Aww thanks! Just to clarify, it was the flight that was the stressful bit for my dog, it will be different for every pet of course but yes, I'm very glad we kept that part to a minimum. And hopefully never again!
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Aww thanks! Just to clarify, it was the flight that was the stressful bit for my dog, it will be different for every pet of course but yes, I'm very glad we kept that part to a minimum. And hopefully never again!

I'm concerned for my dog and the travelling involved. She is quite old, (12) and is not a good traveller at all, she frets terribly even on the short trip in the car to the dog groomers.

In what way was your dog stressed? Could you just tell by his behaviour or was he sick during the flight? I've used some of the natural stress relievers for my dog but they don't appear to have any effect
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I'm concerned for my dog and the travelling involved. She is quite old, (12) and is not a good traveller at all, she frets terribly even on the short trip in the car to the dog groomers.

In what way was your dog stressed? Could you just tell by his behaviour or was he sick during the flight? I've used some of the natural stress relievers for my dog but they don't appear to have any effect
When they brought him out into the baggage area he was standing rigid, legs spread, panting and shaking. His nose was white crusted and I don't think they'd given him any water at all (the rules were to leave crate bowls empty and they would fill before flight). He didn't vomit.

He's a tough little cookie though, and as soon as we got outside onto the concourse and he'd had about a pint of water and some food he started to perk up. He was even happier when we dumped the crate by a bench and left it!

I wouldn't fly him again unless I really really had no choice, but having said that he's probably forgotten all about it by now, and certainly he is loving his life here so if dogs reasoned that way he'd probably say it was worth it
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When they brought him out into the baggage area he was standing rigid, legs spread, panting and shaking. His nose was white crusted and I don't think they'd given him any water at all (the rules were to leave crate bowls empty and they would fill before flight). He didn't vomit.

He's a tough little cookie though, and as soon as we got outside onto the concourse and he'd had about a pint of water and some food he started to perk up. He was even happier when we dumped the crate by a bench and left it!

I wouldn't fly him again unless I really really had no choice, but having said that he's probably forgotten all about it by now, and certainly he is loving his life here so if dogs reasoned that way he'd probably say it was worth it
I would seriously complain to the airlines about the no water part. Even humans would have a difficult time flying Vancouver to Amsterdam direct with no liquids whatsoever.

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When they brought him out into the baggage area he was standing rigid, legs spread, panting and shaking. His nose was white crusted and I don't think they'd given him any water at all (the rules were to leave crate bowls empty and they would fill before flight). He didn't vomit.

Which airline was it?
Poor thing must have been so dehydrated. I would have been raising h--ll with them .
I suppose it is possible that he drank any water if they put it in there, but he probably was just scared to death. I know Toby would be like that as well - cats too!
I am glad he is ok now though and happy in his new home !
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When they brought him out into the baggage area he was standing rigid, legs spread, panting and shaking. His nose was white crusted and I don't think they'd given him any water at all (the rules were to leave crate bowls empty and they would fill before flight). He didn't vomit.

He's a tough little cookie though, and as soon as we got outside onto the concourse and he'd had about a pint of water and some food he started to perk up. He was even happier when we dumped the crate by a bench and left it!

I wouldn't fly him again unless I really really had no choice, but having said that he's probably forgotten all about it by now, and certainly he is loving his life here so if dogs reasoned that way he'd probably say it was worth it
All animals are given water on arrival into all UK airports and then again at the respection centers, as for the flight I cannot comment, but I do know my ex BF is a captain and we often talked about the pets and flying he said most Captains or 1st officers will check the animals for their needs before take off, he would always go and have a chat between the cages with them
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When they brought him out into the baggage area he was standing rigid, legs spread, panting and shaking. His nose was white crusted and I don't think they'd given him any water at all (the rules were to leave crate bowls empty and they would fill before flight). He didn't vomit.

Which airline was it?
Poor thing must have been so dehydrated. I would have been raising h--ll with them .
I suppose it is possible that he drank any water if they put it in there, but he probably was just scared to death. I know Toby would be like that as well - cats too!
I am glad he is ok now though and happy in his new home !
I agree. I wait until they put ice chips in the water bowl which prevents spillage before they are boarded. I know the lady here in Dallas who handles the dogs. She also gives them a couple of Cheerios for a last minute sugar boost and to get a waggy tail.
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I agree. I wait until they put ice chips in the water bowl which prevents spillage before they are boarded. I know the lady here in Dallas who handles the dogs. She also gives them a couple of Cheerios for a last minute sugar boost and to get a waggy tail.
That was what air animal said - either ice cubes or fill with water and freeze.
Our little dog loves ice cubes and eats them - under those circumstances he may not touch them at all though.
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