It's not all Bad........
#92
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Re: It's not all Bad........
Th UK is in a very bad way at the moment, government is handing out billions upon billions to no avail, banks are losing money head over heals and small companies are closing up at an incredible rate. I can walk through birmingham and the evidence is quite clear, many shop have closed down, and many more are in deep trouble.
Major companies that have been round yr's and yr's are finished, the likes of GKN and many other manufacturing companies.
People are hording money, not enough is been spent on the hight street, thats the idea of the VAT cut.
But in all recessions there are people that will make, ie food stores, betting shops and so on, people out of work don't just sit at hope, boardom sets in ad spending is a way of passing time - fact.
BBC News website is following the recession and all thats happening, very informative.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7839361.stm
Major companies that have been round yr's and yr's are finished, the likes of GKN and many other manufacturing companies.
People are hording money, not enough is been spent on the hight street, thats the idea of the VAT cut.
But in all recessions there are people that will make, ie food stores, betting shops and so on, people out of work don't just sit at hope, boardom sets in ad spending is a way of passing time - fact.
BBC News website is following the recession and all thats happening, very informative.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7839361.stm
#93
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Re: It's not all Bad........
I esperienced the same thing (I left in 1983). I didn't have a lot of family left behind in the UK, and my family upbringing was far from what you'd call "normal", therefore I didn't have so much of the family pull that many exapts cite as being the main reason for returning.
But I did keep getting this yearning for a place where people would understand certain aspects of my humour, or my references to Blue Peter ("Get down Shep!"), or why I gave the Carol Smillie Award to the smiliest student every year, etc., etc. So, as you said, I felt like I had left part of me behind that could never exist in the US. I would have the BBC news on while working at the computer, watch BBCAmerica, etc., to "fill the need" I perceived. Don't get me wrong; I was quite happy in the US (I recently rediscovered this ironically titled BE article taken from a thread of mine in 2006: http://britishexpats.com/articles/mo...d/not-all-bad/) , but I just felt that I didn't belong there long-term.
In reality, when I did return to the UK, I found that (a) I was actually very out of tune with the UK (I had missed over 20 years of British news, culture, sport, etc., after all), and felt more of a stranger here than I did in the US (where in fact, being a foreigner was "normal"); (b) I was bowled over by how many things were so different from what I expected; and (c) I realised that despite many visits back over the years, I had not carefully enough weighed up the US vs UK thing, and had underresearched (ironic as I am a researcher) the realities of many aspects of being back (most notably my economic status, and the nature of my professional life here).
This is my experience. Yours may differ, but my biggest piece of advice would be not to give up what you have unless you are absolutely sure. Also, I'd recommend you try to find a "suck it and see" option (move back for a temporary - say, 12-month - stay, and then decide). If I'd done that (I had the chance of taking a 12-month sabbatical, and stupidly turned it down), I know for sure I'd have been running back to the States as fast as my little legs could carry me on day 365 ... now I'm still here after almost 3 years and just heard that a job in the US that I was shortlisted for has been frozen due to the economic crisis ...
But I did keep getting this yearning for a place where people would understand certain aspects of my humour, or my references to Blue Peter ("Get down Shep!"), or why I gave the Carol Smillie Award to the smiliest student every year, etc., etc. So, as you said, I felt like I had left part of me behind that could never exist in the US. I would have the BBC news on while working at the computer, watch BBCAmerica, etc., to "fill the need" I perceived. Don't get me wrong; I was quite happy in the US (I recently rediscovered this ironically titled BE article taken from a thread of mine in 2006: http://britishexpats.com/articles/mo...d/not-all-bad/) , but I just felt that I didn't belong there long-term.
In reality, when I did return to the UK, I found that (a) I was actually very out of tune with the UK (I had missed over 20 years of British news, culture, sport, etc., after all), and felt more of a stranger here than I did in the US (where in fact, being a foreigner was "normal"); (b) I was bowled over by how many things were so different from what I expected; and (c) I realised that despite many visits back over the years, I had not carefully enough weighed up the US vs UK thing, and had underresearched (ironic as I am a researcher) the realities of many aspects of being back (most notably my economic status, and the nature of my professional life here).
This is my experience. Yours may differ, but my biggest piece of advice would be not to give up what you have unless you are absolutely sure. Also, I'd recommend you try to find a "suck it and see" option (move back for a temporary - say, 12-month - stay, and then decide). If I'd done that (I had the chance of taking a 12-month sabbatical, and stupidly turned it down), I know for sure I'd have been running back to the States as fast as my little legs could carry me on day 365 ... now I'm still here after almost 3 years and just heard that a job in the US that I was shortlisted for has been frozen due to the economic crisis ...
I am sorry to hear about your move back to UK - I have thought about the very same things too - but I keep coming back the bottom line which is "family". Both my parents have done quite well over the years - but age is catching up to them - I would like to be close before the fact and not after.
I have been researching for some time - maybe overlooking things, as I am very homesick. It will take a while still - we are still in discussion mode
it is a step that I will be taking with my family not by myself (not that I cannot I truly do not want to lose my children or husband.
"United we stand, divided we fall"
ps. you were in a beautiful part of the US - we were in SC last summer on vacation with family from UK
#94
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Re: It's not all Bad........
So I sadly lack integrity do I? Oh Dear. I think not. I have not attacked Tricia, Dunroving or anyone personally. If they feel they must compare themselves, they must ask themselves why they need to do this.
As you've joined the bandwagon USA gypsies, you perhaps need to ask yourself also why you needed to post the above comments?
Isn't that right Tricia? Didn't you PM me with your possible motives for moving to Oz. Just got to justify it by sinking the UK first.
As you've joined the bandwagon USA gypsies, you perhaps need to ask yourself also why you needed to post the above comments?
Isn't that right Tricia? Didn't you PM me with your possible motives for moving to Oz. Just got to justify it by sinking the UK first.
I don't need to justify anything, I'm not moving anywhere, my reasons for posting was that I thought my experiences might prove useful to anyone wanting to know about the possible risks of setting up a business, what the housing market is like etc etc etc. Just because you perceive your own 'blinkers' for some kind of euphoric optimism doesn't mean we have to follow you. I also didn't think I needed to say 'but hey folks, we're fighters, nothing gets us down, had far worse times than this when blah de blah happened but we will come through'. It is of course true and we will get through it, I just don't like to blow my own trumpet, another wonderful British trait which you seem to have lost.
The other poster is right, unless everyone agrees with you you get the claws out.
#95
Re: It's not all Bad........
Anyone who moves back to the UK jobless, with unemployment at a 10yr high is either incredibly brave, or incredibly foolish.
Just bide your time and wait until this mess is finally over.
Just bide your time and wait until this mess is finally over.
Last edited by Danny B; Mar 2nd 2009 at 2:31 am.
#96
Re: It's not all Bad........
One friend moved a distance within Canada, mostly for a change. The job looked good, but he didn't understand the real situation there. Job disappeared within 6 months. Everyone there had known how it was going, but he didn't.
Unless you're sure where your income's coming from, give it at least a year to see how things shake out.
Bev
#97
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Re: It's not all Bad........
Ruby, it wasn't that long ago you were on these boards posting about leaving your husband high and dry while you took off. Then you openly slated your husband's character quite fervently. Then you decided you were better off sticking with him rather than face financial uncertainty by moving back to the UK alone.
Are you sure you want to start taking the moral high ground?
Are you sure you want to start taking the moral high ground?
I've read this entire thread.
I've read lots of these threads, silently, for months. And you have repeatedly detailed your life circumstances.
Then, when someone mentioned your life circumstances ... you told them this was a below the belt comment.
Then, a page later, and you are throwing someone's private life in their face, in public.
Someone should tell you that the name of this forum is not the 'Cricket Forum'