Maxima

I'd agree with the first bit: of course there are many women who wear it voluntarily, and sometimes even when their own husbands are not too keen on it.

Nevertheless, what is the point of bringing in China and India? There are many ills there, just as there are different ills in Saudi Arabia when it comes to treatment of women.

norsk

I am not sure where in my brief message you found the word rant or any similar terminology. All I said is that you seem to have a personal agenda when responding to arguments being put forward by fellow posters.

If I felt that your arguments were worthy of praise it would have been given, but unfortunately it's just more of the same. I also fail to understand why you are upset that you are not being given approval for your views. Surely you already realise that your opinions do not reflect the opinions of the average reader of these forums.

shiva

It's because one is a well presented well reasoned and rational argument and the other let's just say isn't.

desert_dwellers

In any human society you would find the elites who do the thinking for themselves and for the others are less than 20%, the rest of the society are the herd who do the cheering.

lullabelle

I'm not sure why certain posters think I'm doing some kind of scientific study or research. I'm a broadcast journalist and TV producer. I'm not studying anything. However, I am incredibly nosy and like human stories. I've always found people to be quite fascinating - there are always stories buried in even the most dull facade.

I'm only speaking from my own experience - so any number of people I quote is neither here or there really. I'm not comparing it with another person's experience, just saying it how I've seen it. Or rather, been told it. I'm lucky to have worked on so many different things that I can rattle off about any old shite really.

The good thing about being nosy and genuinely interested in what people have to say is that more often than not they chat away quite happily about all sorts of things. Often they tell you stuff that they wouldn't tell a more direct and challenging interviewer. So sometimes people open up about subjects that they know are taboo in their culture, but are happy to discuss because it has been brought up in a more intimate manner. Being interested is a remarkable door opener. One of the reasons I enjoyed the UAE was that I was surrounded by stories. It was intoxicating for a nosy Parker.

I'm not and never have professed to be an expert on the subject of dress codes and covering. But i have, as I said before, talked to a lot of women about it. Not read studies, or watched YouTube, but sat down and had a good long natter with a whole variety of women. From Emirati doctors to Tunisian models to bedouin weavers to East London schoolgirls to Omani tourist guides. Not to scientifically appraise them, but to hear their stories. Part of this has involved female modesty and covering. So my ridiculously long posts on the subject are entirely my own interpretation of what these women have told me. You're coming at me with statistics and web video and I'm coming right back atcha with... Well, just with life, really. Real life and real tales.

But go on, call me Lullaby and tell me my studies are flawed if it makes you feel better.

scrubbedexpat141

I stopped reading at this point.

You say it's a pathetic level to just insult someone yet you then, immediately address Lullabelle as 'love'....given the context of this whole discussion, you've just tried waving red rags but actually, made yourself look like even more of a fool.

Oyibopeppeh

In case anyone hasn't clicked yet, India is now officially the worst country on Earth to be a woman; KSA slips into the very slightly less miserable second worse spot.

NorthernLad

Hardly surprising:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/dad...-1226402335354

Alexa

I can actually believe that. I have a very good friend who is Indian, And I was fortunate to get a little insight into Indian society...well, let me just say this, I am glad not to be Indian.
Of course, those were only stories I was told. By one woman.

mission

Math, aint you got it yet - most of these regular dingbats on here all tend to close in as soon as someone says something one of them doesn't agree with - typical white trash school playground mentality. It's good to read posts like yours and desert dwellers, challenging these d*ckheads and their blatant 'gang up' mentality - i on the other hand enjoy throwing a grenade here and there and then watching these punk arses getting their kickers in a twist . It kills some time And as for normsk or whatever that mofo's name is - he thinks EVERYONE who doesn't agree with him or his half arsed 'friends' on here are trolls....sad ****

Bahtatboy

Participation in any debate relies on analysing and objectively criticising others' opinions, not giving opinion of the people themselves. I suggest you learn and follow that.

Oyibopeppeh

You really are an incredibly sorry example of an oxygen breathing lifeform

shiva

Oxygen thief more like

shiva

Well the twitter revolution is heating up. Now they are sending the police and the al Ameen service so called insulting tweets. I've read them the ironic thing is they actually missed the real insults and sent on stuff that isn't. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Egypt used twitter to remove a dictator, here it's being used to dress better.....priorities?

desert_dwellers

you are right there are guys here whose minds are filled with pregidous, but you got to remember that this forum is there homeland, and education is the way forward not confrontation. Also to their credit, those lot are some what milder than the expats back in the eighties and nineties, the Thatcher time, at the time when I used to work in Dubai. Those creatures then had the "we are here to teach the pagans civilization" kind of attitude, the time when the catch phrase "sand niggers" was in circulation. So, yes, still plenty of effort is needed to educate