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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 9886751)
Maybe we should all just plug into the matrix and forget about ever having any "real world" experiences;)
I must say, what this thread is sorely missing is people that actually hunt, maybe they could offer some perspective on the reason people do it. Lets not forget that it is a popular passtime here in canada, although perhaps not among expats.
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 9886751)
No one has raised the "conservation" argument yet either. We enjoy seeing the wild turkeys in our yard, and I know for a fact that the only reason they are there is because the hunters actively went out of their way to reintroduce them to Eastern Ontario. Giraffes? Probably not so much...
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 9886853)
No I'm not a vegetarian and I find this question amusing in the context, as I have already explained above why I believe this has nothing to do with Hunting in the modern day.
And have I hunted, no given my thoughts above I would have thought t obvious that I find killing for pleasure repugnant, and would source my meat products where I know its met a minimum standard of competence for being killed humanely and been butchered is safe and clean environment |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by gad33
(Post 9887366)
Maybe they're all outside hunting? Actually I would really like to know why people hunt. Although the people who already hunt would know and the rest would lambast them for hunting. So I cannot see a useful discourse on this forum.
They'd be OK in a blizzard though with their long legs. I think you should investigate. You really are fixated on these minimum standards so you can justify (to yourself) that buying your meat ready butchered and packed is the way to go, whereas hunters are the devil incarnate. |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by gad33
(Post 9887366)
You really are fixated on these minimum standards so you can justify (to yourself) that buying your meat ready butchered and packed is the way to go, whereas hunters are the devil incarnate.
Maybe we should think of it in a similar vein to badger baiting, cock fighting, etc |
Re: Words fail me!
I've just asked the question in the office - Why do you hunt?
The concensus seems to be that yes, it's fun, it's a chance for a group of people to get together for a week and participate in a passtime they enjoy. At the end of the week, they may have a moose or deer to take to the local abbatoir and split up. From what I've seen, it's not all about the kill - it's about the stalking and the hunt. Friends will spend days out at their stand, baiting it, checking their game cam's etc but will not just shoot something for the sake of it. This year, some friends came home empty handed even though they had a moose or deer tag - but the still had a good time. |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by rob28
(Post 9887468)
I've just asked the question in the office - Why do you hunt?
The concensus seems to be that yes, it's fun, it's a chance for a group of people to get together for a week and participate in a passtime they enjoy. At the end of the week, they may have a moose or deer to take to the local abbatoir and split up. From what I've seen, it's not all about the kill - it's about the stalking and the hunt. Friends will spend days out at their stand, baiting it, checking their game cam's etc but will not just shoot something for the sake of it. This year, some friends came home empty handed even though they had a moose or deer tag - but the still had a good time. |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by dollface
(Post 9887483)
Exactly - it's for entertainment.
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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 9887621)
Exactly - it's for entertainment for the guys from his office. To refer to anyone else you'd have to find out why they hunt.
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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by dollface
(Post 9887626)
and probably the majority and i'm not referring to 1st Nation People.
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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by ergyngfeld
(Post 9887701)
Some First Nations folk are quite guilty of this... I've seen horrendous overkill of caribou and geese with my own eyes in the far north of Quebec. It goes far beyond subsistence hunting, and into the realm of trigger-happy moronity. Of course, you can't tell them to hunt sustainably, because that's against their traditional way of life etc.
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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by JonboyE
(Post 9887741)
They have been doing it for about 10,000 years before we all showed up. I'd call that pretty sustainable.
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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by JonboyE
(Post 9887741)
They have been doing it for about 10,000 years before we all showed up. I'd call that pretty sustainable.
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Re: Words fail me!
Louie Theroux did a documentary on one of those places once. I think the evidence concluded that both the resort owners and their patrons were all total wankers.
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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by gad33
(Post 9887366)
Maybe they're all outside hunting? Actually I would really like to know why people hunt. Although the people who already hunt would know and the rest would lambast them for hunting. So I cannot see a useful discourse on this forum.
They'd be OK in a blizzard though with their long legs. I think you should investigate. You really are fixated on these minimum standards so you can justify (to yourself) that buying your meat ready butchered and packed is the way to go, whereas hunters are the devil incarnate. |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by mandymoochops
(Post 9891709)
:nod:
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Re: Words fail me!
Maybe.
I've been thinking a lot about this thread actually, and whilst the picture in the op doesn't digust me - I wouldn't shoot a giraffe (I actually can't shoot anything yet ut thats by the by). And before anyone says anything yes, it does make me a hypocrite, though I wouldn't want to shoot a lion, rhino, hippo, zebra or any of those type - yet I would want to get a water buffalo. I have no logic or reasoning behind this, and I will tell you the absolute truth behind hunting as I see it .................... Everyone in the family here I know hunts. It isn't purely for the meat - thats an arguement that can be used to justify it. It's for the thrill of the kill. I think if you asked any hunter for a 100% honest answer when posed the question "would you still hunt if you couldn't have the meat" they would answer "yes". And I reckon that would make the doe population skyrocket because people would only be after the males for the horns. When I came to Canada I was in the "how can you hunt you barbaric soab" club. Meeting and mingling with folk who do it it becomes the norm, it's a passtime - and something for the "guys" (read guys and girls) to do and enjoy and have beers after. I think from my experience I can liken it to fishing - you do your prep work, you stalk / spot the areas you know are likely to have your target in and then it becomes a "him against you" situation. And I know so you don't need to spell it out that "it's hardly fair that one has a gun and the victim / target / meal only has it's cunning and guile to escape. But thats how it is. And again truthfully and expecting full backlash - if the question was asked of me "when you get your pr would you hunt" the answer would be "Yes". So there - fire away - those that know me personally know i'm a big softy, not a barbarian on a blood lust - so if truth be told - I couldn't tell you either way the real reasons why? Maybe because I don't see the Canadian animals like "bambi" or "yogi" because you become that used to them being around. Like I say I don't know, I go along, do my bit, and come home. |
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