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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by gad33
(Post 9882402)
I suppose it depends why you find hunting barbaric. If it is your concern for animals then I would think you would be concerned for how the animals and their products that you eat are treated.
I find it barbaric not because an animal gets killed, but because of the mindset of the individual in a 1st world nation who wants’ to kill something for his or her pleasure, that I find fits the definition of barbaric |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 9882493)
I don't think that follows. The public at large have likely not given a moment's thought to conditions in abbatoirs and so cannot fairly be said to have expectations in that regard.
They have a choice to care, on this subject many choose not to.. That may result in standards being set at a level some find too low, but set high enough that the majority no longer bother to give it a second thought or in some cases no thought at all! |
Re: Words fail me!
Playing devils advocate for a minute, Humans have hunted things for millions of years, it was a necessity for survival, its really only in recent history that its not been a factor in many peoples lives.
Just because we now get our meat in the artificially bloodless clingfilm wrapped world of the supermarket shouldnt mean that we have any right to condemn those that choose to keep that connection to the past of hunting and killing. Just cos we consider it distasteful, why does that give us the right to condemn others for doing what people have done for generation upon generation? At least they are connected in some way to land and the reality of "blood and guts" that we are able to lead our lives with a degree of separation from. I think to condemn those hunting as brainless morons or barbarians is far too simplistic, but easily done from the comfort of our suburban lives. There is definitely a connection through hunting to a past that we might like to dismiss as barbaric just because our encounters with animal consumption mostly involve a polystyrene tray. |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 9882600)
Playing devils advocate for a minute, Humans have hunted things for millions of years, its was a necessity for survival, its really only in recent history that its not been a factor in most people lives.
Just because we now get our meat in the artificially bloodless clingfilm wrapped world of the supermarket shouldnt mean that we have any right to condemn those that choose to keep that connection to the past of hunting and killing. Just cos we consider it distasteful, why does that give us the right to condemn others for doing what people have done for generation upon generation? At least they are connected in some way to the reality of "blood and guts" that we are able to lead our lives with a degree of separation from. I think to condemn those hunting as brainless morons or barbarians is far too simplistic, but easily done from the comfort of our suburban lives. There is definitely a connection through hunting to a past that we might like to dismiss as barbaric just because our encounters with animal consumption mostly involve a polystyrene tray. Things that were once normal day to day (and may still be in some backward 3rd world places), have changed over the years in our world, because we know more than we did, have improved our living conditions, improved our understanding of others and are better educated.. Hunted and poorly unhygienically butchered food was once a major reason for lower mortality, the advent of the public health standards in abattoirs and the high street butcher was one of many steps to improve the greater public health.. With progress comes new standards, new expectations and new positions from which to judge I'm sure within my lifetime things that I did in my youth, will be frowned upon in my later years Drink driving spring to mind, along with smoking... more recently driving gas guzzlers |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by helcat12
(Post 9882484)
The safari company usually have trained marksmen who also take a shot at the animal at the same time as the punter.
They are there to make sure it is a clean kill and that the animal doesn't do any damage as wounded and does not suffer. As it isn't possible to tell afterwards whose shot was the kill shot, the punter thinks it is theirs, when almost certainly it is the shot of the trained marksman. The fact is that these people are taking pride in something that they probably haven't actually done. Are they Robin Hood? |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 9882618)
In the same way we now condemn those that think slavery is acceptable, that marriage to 14 yrs olds is acceptable, that segregation by race is acceptable, that execution for heresy is acceptable.
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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9882634)
There was a thread recently that alluded to the fact that lost of teenagers are sexually active at such an age. If that is correct, why is marriage between 14 year olds not acceptable?
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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9882629)
I would like to know where you get that from. Those marksmen must be the best in the world. To be able to wait until the client has shot, shoot and still ensure the clean kill of an animal that is moving after having just been shot.
Are they Robin Hood? |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9882634)
There was a thread recently that alluded to the fact that lost of teenagers are sexually active at such an age. If that is correct, why is marriage between 14 year olds not acceptable?
I think that was because they are biologically from a hormone’s, all bits working, sort of active, but in todays more complex world you’re no longer considered mentally mature enough to make the right choices at that age Sort of used to be OK when your parents were setting you up for it and making or being heavily involved in the choices and life expectations was husband, housekeeping and children with a lower life expectancy. But not OK for you to choose today when you have college, career and a much longer life ahead of you |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 9882666)
It certainly used to be and I think they still turn a blind eye to Mennonites, Hutterites etc that marry there girls at that age,?
I think that was because they are biologically from a hormone’s, all bits working, sort of active, but in todays more complex world you’re no longer considered mentally mature enough to make the right choices at that age Sort of used to be OK when your parents were setting you up for it and making or being heavily involved in the choices and life expectations was husband, housekeeping and children with a lower life expectancy. But not OK for you to choose today when you have college, career and a much longer life ahead of you |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Tangram
(Post 9882659)
Probably for the same reason that being sexually active at that age is unacceptable ( and illegal ) I guess.
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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9882806)
As you may be aware, I am a family lawyer. From what I see each day, I doubt many of such age could possibly make choices that are more logical than many of my clients.
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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 9882502)
Now this pushes the reasoning that hunting is considered barbaric solely down to the treatment of the animal, which if the shot is good and hunter skilled could be considered to be very humane
I find it barbaric not because an animal gets killed, but because of the mindset of the individual in a 1st world nation who wants’ to kill something for his or her pleasure, that I find fits the definition of barbaric But I do know that people get upset by the thought of hunting but don't give a second thought to where their own food comes from. Is it uncivilized to eat your own kill when nowadays you can pop to the store for your pre-packaged cow? |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by ireland2canada
(Post 9882479)
Isn't all this bad enough? Its bad enough that animals suffer before they are killed to be eaten, but they die because we as humans are at the top of the food chain and are designed to consume meat. I accept this (not 'like, 'accept') but what I cannot fathom is the desire to kill an animal for sport, fun or whatever other excuse people want to trot out.
Anyone who cannot see the difference between death for food and death for fun is someone with such dubious morals that I would hesitate at giving them the right to have a goldfish let alone the right to handle firearms. The sight of that crumpled giraffe is incredibly sad. Quite frankly that grotesque family, children included, deserve nothing short of a good kick in the head. Repeatedly. |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9882807)
Age of consent is different in many jurisdictions. Which one is correct, and why?
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