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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 9893207)
They are not on the endangered species list. Technically they are "threatened", or a "species of concern", but its climate change that is the threat, not people with guns. Its loss of habitat that threatens them, and that in turn means shortages of food, which is the basic reason for controlling numbers.
They are culled under license here, to prevent the few remaining ones starving to death I guess... Not sure how that ties in with endangered status. I just read an article that said they're on the endangered list.:confused: I'll have to look at that again and check the source... But on memory I think you're right about the climate change thing, yes, it was a habitat issue. I read that they're taking steps to try and improve their numbers so I guess I have a bad reaction to hunting them if they're numbers are struggling to survive. |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Elizabeth I
(Post 9893244)
I just read an article that said they're on the endangered list.:confused: .
They are on a list that basically prevents bits being exported, but are not "endangered" as such. The concern with the polar bear hunt in Canada is that data on the numbers used to judge an appropriate level to maintain is not all that easy to come by, and there are disagreements about actual numbers. And of course politics comes into it too as it always seems to with native issues. |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 9893247)
Writen by someone in the "anti" hunt camp perhaps.
They are on a list that basically prevents bits being exported, but are not "endangered" as such. The concern with the polar bear hunt in Canada is that data on the numbers used to judge an appropriate level to maintain is not all that easy to come by, and there are disagreements about actual numbers. And of course politics comes into it too as it always seems to with native issues. I think I read it in a travel magazine, some article encouraging people to go see them before it's too late. That's probably not an entirely credible source. Yes, politics always factors, I reckon that was a huge factor in the fox hunting issue back home too... |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Elizabeth I
(Post 9893253)
I think I read it in a travel magazine, some article encouraging people to go see them before it's too late. That's probably not an entirely credible source.
Yes, politics always factors, I reckon that was a huge factor in the fox hunting issue back home too... A majestic animal indeed. |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Elizabeth I
(Post 9893253)
I think I read it in a travel magazine, some article encouraging people to go see them before it's too late. That's probably not an entirely credible source.
Yes, politics always factors, I reckon that was a huge factor in the fox hunting issue back home too... |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 9893306)
I think that article and others like it are referring to the Polar Bears becoming extinct due to climate change aka global warming and that the sea ice is getting thinner and less each year and the bears need the sea ice to survive and will have to swim greater distances for food.
A majestic animal indeed. |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by dollface
(Post 9893313)
:rofl:
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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9893308)
Except that actual data (as opposed to marketing put forward by the likes of Al Gore) shows that their numbers are increasing.
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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 9893306)
A majestic animal indeed.
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Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9893308)
Except that actual data (as opposed to marketing put forward by the likes of Al Gore) shows that their numbers are increasing.
To quote the wikipedea entry: In Nunavut, some Inuit have reported increases in bear sightings around human settlements in recent years, leading to a belief that populations are increasing. Scientists have responded by noting that hungry bears may be congregating around human settlements, leading to the illusion that populations are higher than they actually are.[28] The Polar Bear Specialist Group of the IUCN takes the position that "estimates of subpopulation size or sustainable harvest levels should not be made solely on the basis of traditional ecological knowledge without supporting scientific studies."[29] Of the 19 recognized polar bear subpopulations, eight are declining, three are stable, one is increasing, and seven have insufficient data, as of 2009. [6][25] |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Elizabeth I
(Post 9893334)
I'd love to go see them
http://www.polarbearalley.com/blog/i...-to-churchill/ |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Elizabeth I
(Post 9893329)
oh ffs! Lol! So it depends on whose bs you listen to as to whether they're decreasing or increasing, lol
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 9893346)
Only one of the 19 recognised populations is increasing;)
To quote the wikipedea entry: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics eh;) As I have said many times, I have no axe to grind but I do find the BS put out by Mr. Gore, Mr. Suzuki et al. a little galling. Have a look here: WWF Polar Bear Factsheet I guess it is possible that the oil and gas industry is funding the WWF. But the actual evidence (accepting that some of it is lacking) does not suggest that polar bears will soon be extinct. |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9893362)
I agree.
As I have said many times, I have no axe to grind but I do find the BS put out by Mr. Gore, Mr. Suzuki et al. a little galling. Have a look here: WWF Polar Bear Factsheet I guess it is possible that the oil and gas industry is funding the WWF. But the actual evidence (accepting that some of it is lacking) does not suggest that polar bears will soon be extinct. |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 9893358)
Take a trip to Churchill Manitoba I hear its quite cheap :lol:
http://www.polarbearalley.com/blog/i...-to-churchill/ Lol, sure.:sneaky: So much to do so little money to be able to do it :rofl: |
Re: Words fail me!
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9893362)
But the actual evidence (accepting that some of it is lacking) does not suggest that polar bears will soon be extinct.
Personally I dont fancy their long term (100+ year) chances outside of zoos. |
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