Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12244887)

I'm not sure I recognise a connection between my post and yours.

I didn't say that most remainers think brexiteers are racist fools. I gave but a few of the many views that remainers associate with brexiteers.

I still hold my view that most politicians can't grasp how many paople live. I take the point that they hold surgeries and work hard but these surgeries are simply windows into some lives, a window that closes when they go home. Their comfortable lives prevent them from experiencing and thus understanding first hand the difficulties they witness. For example, I doubt that few if any would have the skills to survive on a minimum wage, it's not their fault it's just that they live in a different world.

I take your point that leaving the EU won't solve the problems of the north, but that wasn't the point I was making. I was suggesting that those who voted brexit did so for a number of reasons, primarily among them was a feeling that change was needed and this was their oportunity to make a difference.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12244903)

Anyone willing to make a prediction as to how the election will pan out? Are the Conservatives going to get back in with an increased majority and, if so, at whose expense? Is there anyone that believes that Labour won't end up with less seats than it currently has?

From my conversations with those in the UK, it appears that a Conservative landslide is on the cards, at the sole expense of Labour, with the other parties simply maintaining what they already have.

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12244779)

but for the Tyneside shipwright or the Teesside steelworker who view silent and decaying factories they had their say and things will never be the same again.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12244903)

Anyone willing to make a prediction as to how the election will pan out? Are the Conservatives going to get back in with an increased majority and, if so, at whose expense? Is there anyone that believes that Labour won't end up with less seats than it currently has?

From my conversations with those in the UK, it appears that a Conservative landslide is on the cards, at the sole expense of Labour, with the other parties simply maintaining what they already have.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12244839)

Where do you get this bull**it notion that most Remainers think Brexiters are racist fools ??? I have not heard a single Remainer suggest such a description, it's nonsense that some people in the Brexit camp have dreamed up and keep hyping up like other anti-EU myths. It's true that some in UKIP had a few screws loose, but not all, and certainly not all Brexiters. It's also not true that politicians are "completely detached" most hold weekly surgeries and meet hundreds of constituents with all manner of social and financial/benefits problems. Most work hard to solve other people's problems. As for the disenfranchised folk up North (and on the South Coast for that matter) leaving the EU is not going to solve their problems. Britain is a mature economy, and structural issues will remain whomever is at the top table.

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12245081)

Oh come on you'd have to be living in a cave to avoid such examples. I even remember Billy Bragg coming out and saying, not all brexit voters are racist, but all racists are brexit voters, which made me dislike him even more.

The point is though, that poorer working classes (as has been superbly stated), seized upon a once in a lifetime chance to actually be heard. Leaving the EU may not solve their problems, but being in the EU didn't either so in reality what did they have to lose?

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12244903)

Anyone willing to make a prediction as to how the election will pan out? Are the Conservatives going to get back in with an increased majority and, if so, at whose expense? Is there anyone that believes that Labour won't end up with less seats than it currently has?

From my conversations with those in the UK, it appears that a Conservative landslide is on the cards, at the sole expense of Labour, with the other parties simply maintaining what they already have.

Originally Posted by LouisB (Post 12245090)

Conversely though, you would have to be living in a cave not to see the rise in hate crime against immigrants and minorities...

Originally Posted by LouisB (Post 12245090)

Conversely though, you would have to be living in a cave not to see the rise in hate crime against immigrants and minorities.

What gives. If it quacks like a duck. Of course it's dangerous to generalise but often when I seriously challenge someone to their brexit beliefs and refute the claims as false or misguided, you ain't left with much. What you are left with sometimes smells funny. What more can you say.

Except OBVIOUSLY not every brexit leaver is a racist, any more than a remainer deserves a snowflake liberal tree-hugger label.

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12245128)

Not to mention the notices "to leave the country" that were delivered to foreign looking people immediately following the referendum result because some people did believe it was about kicking foreigners out. :nod:

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12245081)

Oh come on you'd have to be living in a cave to avoid such examples. I even remember Billy Bragg coming out and saying, not all brexit voters are racist, but all racists are brexit voters, which made me dislike him even more.

The point is though, that poorer working classes (as has been superbly stated), seized upon a once in a lifetime chance to actually be heard. Leaving the EU may not solve their problems, but being in the EU didn't either so in reality what did they have to lose?

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12245139)

...However, when you've got police in Rotheram covering up the gang rapes of 1400 girls over a 20 year period by Muslim gangs, purely for fear of being labelled racist and stirring up hate crime, it's obvious that the word has far far too much power.

Originally Posted by macadian (Post 12245820)

Labour is expected to gain more than eighty million
seats after Diane Abbott was asked to count the
votes this morning