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Old Sep 29th 2011 | 9:07 am
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
If I point a gun at your head and shoot that is murder even tho I am in 100% control of my senses.
If I decide to nullify my senses and get drunk knowing its against the law and drive over your head that should also be murder.
If you get drunk intending to run over my head it is murder, because its premeditated.

If you get drunk and drive, and run over my head without intention, its manslaughter innit?

Punishment is a lottery. By rights they should still lock up people like that for a good long while, although what good it would do Im not sure. I would hope the guy who left you for dead is sufficiently haunted by the experience that he would never drink and drive again but I know that there are chronic re-offenders out there who really should be keep off the roads for ever, even though they havent actually killed anyone, yet.
 
Old Sep 29th 2011 | 9:09 am
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What did he have for his last meal?
 
Old Sep 29th 2011 | 9:11 am
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Originally Posted by iaink
If you get drunk intending to run over my head it is murder, because its premeditated.

If you get drunk and drive, and run over my head without intention, its manslaughter innit?

Punishment is a lottery. By rights they should still lock up people like that for a good long while, although what good it would do Im not sure. I would hope the guy who left you for dead is sufficiently haunted by the experience that he would never drink and drive again but I know that there are chronic re-offenders out there who really should be keep off the roads for ever, even though they havent actually killed anyone, yet.
I find here in Canada that it has the must "Drunk" drivers than any other country I have visited and i've been to very many.
 
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
I find here in Canada that it has the most "Drunk" drivers than any other country I have visited and i've been to very many.
Ahhhh come on mate, give them a break,,,they live in Canada.
 
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
I find here in Canada that it has the must "Drunk" drivers than any other country I have visited and i've been to very many.
And how did you find that? I suspect another generalization with no statistical evidence.
 
Old Sep 29th 2011 | 10:06 am
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And how did you find that? I suspect another generalization with no statistical evidence.
An opinion, they are allowed you know
 
Old Sep 29th 2011 | 10:11 am
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
If I point a gun at your head and shoot that is murder even tho I am in 100% control of my senses.
If I decide to nullify my senses and get drunk knowing its against the law and drive over your head that should also be murder.
The difference being, you pointed the gun and pulled the trigger with the intention of causing harm.

A driver drinks, get in a car and ends up hurting someone without the intent to hurt anyone, especially someone specific.

I am teetotal and don't condone DUI, the law is too soft on these individuals, but however you spin it is not murder.
 
Old Sep 29th 2011 | 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by iaink
If you get drunk intending to run over my head it is murder, because its premeditated.

If you get drunk and drive, and run over my head without intention, its manslaughter innit?

Punishment is a lottery. By rights they should still lock up people like that for a good long while, although what good it would do Im not sure. I would hope the guy who left you for dead is sufficiently haunted by the experience that he would never drink and drive again but I know that there are chronic re-offenders out there who really should be keep off the roads for ever, even though they havent actually killed anyone, yet.
No requirement for premeditation for murder in the UK (unless it has changed since I studied it). I have no idea about any other jurisdiction. The appropriate mens rea is specific intent to kill or commit serious bodily harm (lots of cases about what is specific intent - if a policeman is on the bonnet of my car and I swerve the car from side to side intending to throw him off, did I intend to kill him if, when I did so, he landed in the path of another car that ran him over and killed him - what was my intention?)

What about if I repeatedly kick someone intending to kill them, but I don't. I then throw the body into a wood not intending to kill them (because I thought they were dead) but they then die of exposure. Am I guilty of murder?

What about when a doctor turns off a live support machine of someone in a persistent vegetative state?

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Old Sep 29th 2011 | 10:16 am
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
An opinion, they are allowed you know
An opinion is not statistical measurement through, merely a wild guess.

One drunk driver is one too many.

I wonder how many deaths through drunken violent behavior, occur, knifing, beatings, domestic violence and deaths. The problem is endless.
 
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Originally Posted by Aviator
A driver drinks, get in a car and ends up hurting someone without the intent to hurt anyone, especially someone specific.

Holy crap.....you've been drinking, you then get in a car, and someone ends up losing their life because of your intoxication and reckless driving and that is not intentional?

The law clearly states...."don't get behind the wheels, when you've been drinking" Oh...am teetotal as well
 
Old Sep 29th 2011 | 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by ultrarunner
Holy crap.....you've been drinking, you then get in a car, and someone ends up losing their life because of your intoxication and reckless driving and that is not intentional?

The law clearly states...."don't get behind the wheels, when you've been drinking" Oh...am teetotal as well
As abhorrent as it is, I doubt many go out for a drink, decide to drive and go out and kill someone.

The law also says don't speed, don't run a red light, don't overtake on a solid line and many other things that people do and cause injure or death.

The law is too lenient with many criminals, not just drunk drivers.
 
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Speeding kills more people than drink driving. I say we execute people who are going more than 10kph above the limit - seems fair to me, they are doing it deliberately and they are driving a metal death machine which could kill people after all.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
Speeding kills more people than drink driving. I say we execute people who are going more than 10kph above the limit - seems fair to me, they are doing it deliberately and they are driving a metal death machine which could kill people after all.
Alan, you have gone over the speed limit many times (don't lie and say you have not).
 
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Alan, you have gone over the speed limit many times (don't lie and say you have not).
Me, never. I obey all traffic rules all the time. And don't get me started on people who don't come to a full complete stop at stop signs, that shit could cause death and injury. Those evil scumbags deserve to die for their crimes.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
Me, never. I obey all traffic rules all the time. And don't get me started on people who don't come to a full complete stop at stop signs, that shit could cause death and injury. Those evil scumbags deserve to die for their crimes.
And the ones who maneuver without looking and signalling. The one who fill in the safety space I leave between me and the car in front. Shame I don't fly anything with a sting anymore, that'd sort 'em out.

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