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BristolUK Dec 31st 2008 8:28 am

Re: Tonight
 
Yes, I look at the 'Post' daily.

There is a bit of 'The Mail' about the paper (it is owned by the same people, I believe) in that it's a bit sensationalist but the incidents do happen for them to get reported.

A 'glassing' is still a glassing no matter how big the headline is.

BristolUK Dec 31st 2008 8:54 am

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Originally Posted by startwin (Post 7115591)
Have you read the Bristol Evening Post the past few days?

This sort of thing?
A residential area, broad daylight, totally random, perhaps racially motivated but could they tell when the assault began?

Clearly not just a case of 'cheeky young whippersnappers' is it?

fledermaus Dec 31st 2008 8:55 am

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Originally Posted by Yogi-Bear (Post 7115041)
Well I'll tell you, then maybe you'll understand a little better ;)

The sort where gangs of youths gather, spitting and swearing outside the local off-licence, where they exchange drugs, or even knives maybe!

This was even endorsed by our very own "Jackie Smith" for shop owners to switch on this unit to disperse teenagers and it works!

Case studies show, that the "pitch" is so, that it can only be heard by teenagers - not by old folk, or babies alike. As their hearing pitch is lower ;)

Clever design. But what is laughable, is that you'd seriouly think I'd like this blasted out at old folk and kids :rofl: as if!

Assault, or no assault on thugs. I don't really care about them. If it dispearse's them quickly? Which it's been proven to do, then so be it!

I trust you now understand the point better? ;)

Y

PS> Ask Tiny, she lives amongst this lawless lot!

Did you read the link I gave?

If you listen to a noise thats greater than 80 dB it can, and does, cause hearing loss. Toddlers and babies can hear at those frequencies. Older people generally can't because the higher frequencies are the first to be damaged and to die off. The hearing pitch is not lower, its just that the hairs in the cochlea are damaged and those are the sounds you are left with.

You can't guarantee that only the thugs will be affected by this noise, and even if you can I think causing irreparable damage isn't right. I am not in favour of violence as a punishment anyway but damaging a sensory organ is not civilised behaviour. Nor is inflicting this noise on animals.

I had yobs outside my house in the UK, bottles thrown through the window. I didn't resort to violence ever, nor did I consider it.

dbd33 Dec 31st 2008 9:53 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 7115587)
I fear you may be a little out of touch. In Bristol it's as likely any night of the week now and for some years too. I don't see why other cities haven't moved on from it being 'just' a weekend occurence.

It may be a little worse at weekends with larger groups travelling a little further and "making a weekend of it" for stag dos and hen nights, for example, but the same rowdy behaviour is visible any night of the week. Just as the pavement pizzas, trail of smashed bus shelters, upturned rubbish bins etc on the route out of town is visible on any morning after the night before.

I'll revise that then to "she doesn't hang around the middle of town at night". The point remaining that, due to leading a fairly conservative life, she is not aware of any rowdiness other than by reading about it in the paper.

dboy Dec 31st 2008 9:56 am

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Originally Posted by shelley748 (Post 7114999)
The other thing about Canada which is funny, is that "persons" who are suspected of committing a crime, cannot be described as they actually are- e.g if a Somalian is wanted for a bag theft, he /she can only be described as 5ft 4inches tall, dark hair, wearing a white T shirt and jeans.......in other words you are not allowed to mention the ethnicity...it always makes me laugh cos how many people does that describe!!!

I'm a member of the RCMP in BC and i never heard of that.

dbd33 Dec 31st 2008 10:00 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 7115675)
Yes, I look at the 'Post' daily.

There is a bit of 'The Mail' about the paper (it is owned by the same people, I believe) in that it's a bit sensationalist but the incidents do happen for them to get reported.

A 'glassing' is still a glassing no matter how big the headline is.

Ha! When my brother arrived in Canada, in the mid-eighties, he glassed the guy who went to Queens in Scotland Yard - a bar in Toronto (for telling us relentlessly that he went to Queen's). The bouncers were called and I recall there being a big argument because they wanted us to drink up and leave while we argued that, bringing the glass down on the head of the guy who went to Queen's instead of shoving it up his nose implied a gesture rather than actual violence. My point here is that coming from 70s London we were used to an evening in the pub ending a fight, perhaps with a glass. It may be that the country has gone to the dogs but that's not a symptom of a recent decline.

dbd33 Dec 31st 2008 10:07 am

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Originally Posted by dboy (Post 7115899)
I'm a member of the RCMP in BC and i never heard of that.

In Toronto the police will disclose the ethnicity of suspects but the media choose not to carry it. There was a phase, after a bunch of beatings for DWB and the like, when due to political pressure the police didn't disclose the information. They complained that that hampered them. The compromise is that the information is available for a specific case if you ask but it's not on wanted poster or in news reports.

I have no opinion on this issue, I'm just making the point that Toronto, if not all of Canada, is not free of Human Rights type legislation.

montreal mike Dec 31st 2008 12:54 pm

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Originally Posted by jonfrank123 (Post 7114780)
Hi Mike

Don't get me wrong it certainly isn't the sort of place you will get mugged at night, it's also pretty unlikely that you will be burgled. Effectively it is a giant Cul De Sac, with only one exit, that can easily be blocked by police.

However, you start to notice things, lets leave out the double murder that happened 2 streets from me a few months back, it was effectively a domestic. Lots of people have been complaining about their cars being trashed, another person I was speaking to lived next to a "crack house" on the island, and had constant thefts and aggravation.

I read the Montreal Gazette every day and notice that a shooting or stabbing gets 5 lines on page 15. I am back in the UK every couple of months, the same sort of crime gets front page billing on the Daily Mail. I've witnessed many things in Montreal, from really nasty fights, to people trying to steal cars, Bicycles.

Unfortunately these thugs who carry out home invasions, seem to be getting more violent, and don't care about age or if a family has children. It is something that seems to be far more common in this part of Canada than in the UK. I know the chances of being "hit" are tiny but I do worry having 2 young children.

All the best

Jonathan

The bright spot in Montreal is that this year, 2008, there will have been only 28 murders, the lowest on record since stats started to be kept.But home invasions are worrisome. If possible do not open the door if you are not expecting a visitor.

Best wishes for 2009. The economy and the stock market and employment are on mind lately. Rowdiness and violence is not something I myself see anything of.

G77 Dec 31st 2008 1:32 pm

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Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 7116228)
The bright spot in Montreal is that this year, 2008, there will have been only 28 murders.

Sounds like Disneyland compared to Detroit, 5 miles away from me - think they average around one a day, so 365 ish a year.... Some years it has been as high as 700 :eek: Fortunately it doesn't seem to spill across the border in our direction...

EDIT: Found this - http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...omicides_N.htm Was only 340 this year, a few people got let off!

montreal mike Dec 31st 2008 2:57 pm

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Originally Posted by G77 (Post 7116298)
Sounds like Disneyland compared to Detroit, 5 miles away from me - think they average around one a day, so 365 ish a year.... Some years it has been as high as 700 :eek: Fortunately it doesn't seem to spill across the border in our direction...

EDIT: Found this - http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...omicides_N.htm Was only 340 this year, a few people got let off!

The population of Detroit can't be much more than Montreal. Yet compare the two: one a day vs. one every two weeks. There are many reasons but i won't get into it on this thread.

G77 Dec 31st 2008 3:21 pm

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Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 7116478)
The population of Detroit can't be much more than Montreal. Yet compare the two: one a day vs. one every two weeks. There are many reasons but i won't get into it on this thread.

Exactly... my point being that Montreal is fairly quiet in the grand scheme of North America.... By way of comparison, Windsor has 3 homicides per year - less than 1/100 of the rate of Detroit, the population is roughly 1/5 of that of Detroit.

montreal mike Dec 31st 2008 3:28 pm

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Originally Posted by G77 (Post 7116501)
Exactly... my point being that Montreal is fairly quiet in the grand scheme of North America.... By way of comparison, Windsor has 3 homicides per year - less than 1/100 of the rate of Detroit, the population is roughly 1/5 of that of Detroit.

It is quiet nowadays but we had some bad murders many years ago. In 1989 some guy murdered about 17 female engineering students one evening in their university compound. That was a one time event thank god. My guess is most murders here are either domestic disputes or are drug-related.

G77 Dec 31st 2008 3:32 pm

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Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 7116508)
My guess is most murders here are either domestic disputes or are drug-related.

I think that covers the majority of murders anywhere, the numbers of other murders is fairly low.... The high number of murders in Detroit doesn't stop me going there, though I don't make a habit of hanging around the ghetto, even if one is forced to drive through it.

montreal mike Dec 31st 2008 3:37 pm

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Originally Posted by G77 (Post 7116515)
I think that covers the majority of murders anywhere, the numbers of other murders is fairly low.... The high number of murders in Detroit doesn't stop me going there, though I don't make a habit of hanging around the ghetto, even if one is forced to drive through it.

From what I read the city is in decline. The general economy is down and the car industry is in the toilet.

I used to visit new york city often (8 hour drive) although I haven't been there for 25 years. At least it is vibrant and there is plenty to see and do.

G77 Dec 31st 2008 3:48 pm

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Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 7116523)
From what I read the city is in decline. The general economy is down and the car industry is in the toilet.

I used to visit new york city often (8 hour drive) although I haven't been there for 25 years. At least it is vibrant and there is plenty to see and do.

It has arguably been in decline for a long time.... the "bad" area only covers a small diameter though and the majority of metro Detroit is affluent and pleasant. The ghetto is forgotten America, they'd prefer just to forget about it...


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