PM Boris
#1127
Re: PM Boris
Of course there are no problems Tory ministers are they... ohh well apart from a PM who has been sacked from his cabinet post before, from his newspaper post, considered a security risk by MI5 and is an out and out racist, anti-Islamic, antisemitic, homophobic, chap. oherwise he's squeaky clean , a foreign secretary who was sacked for illegally selling arms
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#1128
Re: PM Boris
1. There's no need to do it, it's a bad idea.
2. Johnson can't actually do it - except if he revives "no deal".
That reason for electing Johnson makes no sense at all. We can only hope the consequences of electing him are not too dire.
2. Johnson can't actually do it - except if he revives "no deal".
That reason for electing Johnson makes no sense at all. We can only hope the consequences of electing him are not too dire.
#1129
Re: PM Boris
It could be that they looked at Corbyn and were repulsed. If so, I join the public in that. It could also be that they looked across the Atlantic, saw the President of the US and thought "Oh yes, that's what we need, we should get someone like that".
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Re: PM Boris
Unfortunately, Corbyn's history of standing up for the little guy counted against him, so did his being from the traditional Labour left instead of being New Labour / Blairite. Whoever the next Labour is, they'll be a Blairite and someone who'll take Labour to the right. Where that leaves traditional Labour supporters will be something the party and those supporters need to consider.
#1131
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I am not as convinced as you are that he won't be able to get it done. Hopefully, both sides will be able to put their cards on the table and focus upon what they need to do. It should be obvious to both sides now that there will not be those on the sidelines pitching it to spoil whatever agreement they are able to come up with.
#1132
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When people are repeatedly told the same anti-Corbyn and anti-Labour stuff over and over by the media, some of which Tories have also done at the time (but this is never admitted to), people will believe it. The media is supposed to hold the government to account, but few of them are anything other than Tory cheerleaders.
Unfortunately, Corbyn's history of standing up for the little guy counted against him, so did his being from the traditional Labour left instead of being New Labour / Blairite. Whoever the next Labour is, they'll be a Blairite and someone who'll take Labour to the right. Where that leaves traditional Labour supporters will be something the party and those supporters need to consider.
#1133
Re: PM Boris
When people are repeatedly told the same anti-Corbyn and anti-Labour stuff over and over by the media, some of which Tories have also done at the time (but this is never admitted to), people will believe it. The media is supposed to hold the government to account, but few of them are anything other than Tory cheerleaders.
Unfortunately, Corbyn's history of standing up for the little guy counted against him, so did his being from the traditional Labour left instead of being New Labour / Blairite. Whoever the next Labour is, they'll be a Blairite and someone who'll take Labour to the right. Where that leaves traditional Labour supporters will be something the party and those supporters need to consider.
Unfortunately, Corbyn's history of standing up for the little guy counted against him, so did his being from the traditional Labour left instead of being New Labour / Blairite. Whoever the next Labour is, they'll be a Blairite and someone who'll take Labour to the right. Where that leaves traditional Labour supporters will be something the party and those supporters need to consider.
#1136
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Re: PM Boris
I'd respectfully suggest that the campaign he ran on it what counted against him. His platform was put out by the media and he had an opportunity to debate this on a number of occasions. I accept that the respective media played to their readers and, if the electorate are not ready for his vision Labour can elect another like him and see how that plays out for them too.
The next Labour leader will be a Blairite.
I didn't realise the media were anti Corbyn? thats the first I have heard of it. People just didn't want what he was offering...and his appointed shadow home secretary.... she was a an embarassment, I used to have to watch her from behind a cushion it was so cringeworthy, her alone was enough to put people off voting labour....
Dianne Abbott has made a few mistakes, but I've never seen a Tory MP being given the same treatment she regularly got in the media. Take a look at what she achieved before becoming an MP.
#1137
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This discussion about why the tories gained so many seats is an argument that'll go on and on to no use whatsoever, it's a waste of time.
Some will say it was Corbyn, others will say the media brainwashed the electorate, still others will say it was Russia or little green men from Mars.
None seem to be arguing that Boris won by his force of buffoonery and a popular policy.
Any excuse works if it stops you having to face the fact that incompetent opposition parties hadn't a clue what it was all about.
The truth of the matter is that the referendum went brexit because a majority were angry and felt ignored by the EU and the Westminster bubble, this election went brexit because they were still angry and demonstrably being ignored and they recognised that any party not supporting brexit were overtly and deliberately continuing to ignore them. QED.
Some will say it was Corbyn, others will say the media brainwashed the electorate, still others will say it was Russia or little green men from Mars.
None seem to be arguing that Boris won by his force of buffoonery and a popular policy.
Any excuse works if it stops you having to face the fact that incompetent opposition parties hadn't a clue what it was all about.
The truth of the matter is that the referendum went brexit because a majority were angry and felt ignored by the EU and the Westminster bubble, this election went brexit because they were still angry and demonstrably being ignored and they recognised that any party not supporting brexit were overtly and deliberately continuing to ignore them. QED.
#1138
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Someone on BBC QT just said he had to choose between 2 bad choices and Johnson was better than Corbyn.
Bearing in mind I was always told one does NOT choose a person but a party and their manifesto.
That seems to be forgotten now, it's like a ''Britain got talent'' competition .....
Bearing in mind I was always told one does NOT choose a person but a party and their manifesto.
That seems to be forgotten now, it's like a ''Britain got talent'' competition .....
#1139
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Re: PM Boris
But the other parties do need to find out what went wrong. It's not a waste of time.