PM Boris
Dec 13th 2019 | 1:51 am
#1096
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Re: PM Boris
Those are lib traits, and also wank words so yay double whammy. Labor's roots are democratic socialism, which is what Corbyn at least tries to represent, and I hate the idpol libs have tried to hijack progressivism but we can't let that distract us from making sure the British left continues to have somewhere to go.
Intersectionality is great and all that, but the message is more important than the person delivering it. Sometimes an old, white man is what we need. Jezza and my boy Bernie being prime examples. Just watch the libs in America hand the election to Trump by going for someone like Mayo Pete because the fact that he's under 45 and gay outweighs the fact that he is a closet Republican who'll bomb civilians for oil with reckless abandon.
I want to die. I'm almost not joking.
Intersectionality is great and all that, but the message is more important than the person delivering it. Sometimes an old, white man is what we need. Jezza and my boy Bernie being prime examples. Just watch the libs in America hand the election to Trump by going for someone like Mayo Pete because the fact that he's under 45 and gay outweighs the fact that he is a closet Republican who'll bomb civilians for oil with reckless abandon.
I want to die. I'm almost not joking.
I think you need to go and find your safe space.
But if you could pick me up a sarnie on the way that would be great.
Dec 13th 2019 | 2:02 am
#1097
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Re: PM Boris
Current traits, they may be, I'm not a party member because they don't really stand for election in the weird post-apocalyptic hellscape that is Northern Ireland, but that is kind of, like, the opposite of what 'roots' are. I don't speak for the entire left, of course, but I can say that I don't want liberals on my team. I can work with the Marxists and anarchists but the libs can **** off to the right where they belong, and where they can finally take their masks off.
Identity politics is the territory of social democrats, my strangely magnanimous chum, the left doesn't need a woman to deliver their message, we just don't happen to have an issue if the best candidate for the job just happens to also be a woman. Idpol has ruined the left because of the incursions of the succdems, but we can get past it. All the left wants is true equality. And possibly to bring out the guillotine once in a while. In Age of Empires, of course.
Death is the only true safe space, my man.
Ah, see this is why you're being so nice to me. But OK, in the strange fantasy that I might be able to make an anarchist out of you yet, I will bring you one. But I will warn you, after reading about Klopp's contract extension, everything I touch today <snip>.
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Dec 13th 2019 | 2:07 am
#1098
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Re: PM Boris
It's like you saw the words I typed out, and possibly read them, but then decided to act like I had typed something else out entirely.
Current traits, they may be, I'm not a party member because they don't really stand for election in the weird post-apocalyptic hellscape that is Northern Ireland, but that is kind of, like, the opposite of what 'roots' are. I don't speak for the entire left, of course, but I can say that I don't want liberals on my team. I can work with the Marxists and anarchists but the libs can **** off to the right where they belong, and where they can finally take their masks off.
Identity politics is the territory of social democrats, my strangely magnanimous chum, the left doesn't need a woman to deliver their message, we just don't happen to have an issue if the best candidate for the job just happens to also be a woman. Idpol has ruined the left because of the incursions of the succdems, but we can get past it. All the left wants is true equality. And possibly to bring out the guillotine once in a while. In Age of Empires, of course.
Death is the only true safe space, my man.
Ah, see this is why you're being so nice to me. But OK, in the strange fantasy that I might be able to make an anarchist out of you yet, I will bring you one. But I will warn you, after reading about Klopp's contract extension, everything I touch today is going to have a lot of jizz on it.
Current traits, they may be, I'm not a party member because they don't really stand for election in the weird post-apocalyptic hellscape that is Northern Ireland, but that is kind of, like, the opposite of what 'roots' are. I don't speak for the entire left, of course, but I can say that I don't want liberals on my team. I can work with the Marxists and anarchists but the libs can **** off to the right where they belong, and where they can finally take their masks off.
Identity politics is the territory of social democrats, my strangely magnanimous chum, the left doesn't need a woman to deliver their message, we just don't happen to have an issue if the best candidate for the job just happens to also be a woman. Idpol has ruined the left because of the incursions of the succdems, but we can get past it. All the left wants is true equality. And possibly to bring out the guillotine once in a while. In Age of Empires, of course.
Death is the only true safe space, my man.
Ah, see this is why you're being so nice to me. But OK, in the strange fantasy that I might be able to make an anarchist out of you yet, I will bring you one. But I will warn you, after reading about Klopp's contract extension, everything I touch today is going to have a lot of jizz on it.
Surely anarchists would be pro-brexit, not just the neolib status quo?
I assume the Klopp thing is something to do with soccer?
Dec 13th 2019 | 2:18 am
#1099
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Re: PM Boris
No shit. Not even you are that out of touch though.
Dec 13th 2019 | 2:29 am
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Re: PM Boris
I have already said in one of the 6,432,455,661,999 Brexit related threads in TIO that I'm no fan of the EU as a neoliberal experiment and would have supported a Brexit if we were leaving as a quasi-socialist country but still retaining the kind of connections that Norway or Switzerland have with the EU. I'm not pro remain because I like liberalism, I just thought that at the current time, staying in would have been better. I certainly don't like the idea of Britain leaving the EU to become some kind of crypto-fascist hellworld under yet another Eton twat's ineptitude, but alas here we are.
No shit. Not even you are that out of touch though.
No shit. Not even you are that out of touch though.
I guess you're admitting that the UK will never have a socialist government, if you were confident we would then leaving followed by socialism would hit your nirvana.
I only heard of Klopp a few weeks ago as some of the builders seem to follow the sport.
Dec 13th 2019 | 2:34 am
#1101
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Re: PM Boris
I meant with respect to Schengen, not domestic policy. Should have been clearer. Is Iceland a better example? I love Iceland, any country that puts bankers in jail is OK by me.
The UK has already had socialist governments, what the hell are you banging on about?
Leaving with Tories in power wasn't worth the gamble that socialism would follow down the road. I would support leaving if we had already had a socialist PM at the time, don't put words in my mouth. But as it is, Boris says he can get Brexit done so as he's never ever told a lie before in his entire life, I guess that is that, right?
You really are a true man of the people.
Leaving with Tories in power wasn't worth the gamble that socialism would follow down the road. I would support leaving if we had already had a socialist PM at the time, don't put words in my mouth. But as it is, Boris says he can get Brexit done so as he's never ever told a lie before in his entire life, I guess that is that, right?
You really are a true man of the people.
Dec 13th 2019 | 2:34 am
#1102
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Re: PM Boris
It just lost its roots in this election - it retained the virtue-signalling middle-class, feminist, remainiac, metro-sexuals in the few cities, but the heartlands of the working class have gone to the Tories. Whether the Tories can keep them is a different matter, but I suspect Lansman and Momentum can put up another dud for the next election.
The UK media may be persuaded in parts to give the benefit of the doubt to a Blairite Labour, especially once the UK has left the EU, and if the Tories continue their far-right stance. The Lib-Dems are effectively the Remain arm of the Tory Party, and are only the 4th biggest party in Westminster, with little influence now the Tories have a large majority.
Dec 13th 2019 | 3:09 am
#1103
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Re: PM Boris
I can't help thinking that the remainers in Parliament overplayed their hand. They have now lost any ability to control what will happen for the next Parliament, insofar as Brexit is concerned. One wonders if they are regretting their attempts to frustrate the process in the way that they did. Surely, it would have been better to be part of the process, than on the outside?
Dec 13th 2019 | 3:11 am
#1104
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Re: PM Boris
I can't help thinking that the remainers in Parliament overplayed their hand. They have now lost any ability to control what will happen for the next Parliament, insofar as Brexit is concerned. One wonders if they are regretting their attempts to frustrate the process in the way that they did. Surely, it would have been better to be part of the process, than on the outside?
Dec 13th 2019 | 3:27 am
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Re: PM Boris
I was a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.
I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.
On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.
And on the other hand..
Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship†with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obsceneâ€.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislationâ€.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strangeâ€.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friendâ€.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements†about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity†of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran†at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queenâ€.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideenâ€.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria†while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunityâ€.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated†to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comradesâ€.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerityâ€.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
So it was a close tricky one really
I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.
On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.
And on the other hand..
Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship†with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obsceneâ€.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislationâ€.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strangeâ€.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friendâ€.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements†about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity†of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran†at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queenâ€.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideenâ€.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria†while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunityâ€.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated†to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comradesâ€.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerityâ€.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
So it was a close tricky one really
Dec 13th 2019 | 3:29 am
#1106
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Re: PM Boris
Me waiting for sources to be cited on the list above
Dec 13th 2019 | 3:33 am
#1107
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Dec 13th 2019 | 3:35 am
#1108
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Dec 13th 2019 | 3:35 am
#1109
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Dec 13th 2019 | 3:42 am
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Re: PM Boris
