Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12741074)

Yes, I understand there's to be mass slaughter of unsaleable sheep upon Brexit. I suppose Dominic Cummings' EU funded farm doesn't have sheep.

Originally Posted by Annetje (Post 12741077)

I seem to remember Government offering to buy these sheep ... Deal or no deal ?

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12741061)

The reality is that it's a trade-off, and that's what rarely gets discussed. Do we protect our fishing industry at the expense of our financial services sector, add another thousand fishing jobs while losing 30,000 services jobs, that kind of thing. What kind of laws will a completely sovereign Parliament want to enact different from the EU, lower quality standards? less social protection? On new trade deals, what are we restricted on now? Why do Germany and France have no problem operating within an EU framework? We always hear about these sunlit uplands, but when you press for detail there are no concrete examples of the gains to be had.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12741054)

There are, of course, many, you are simply choosing not to look for them. Reclaiming territorial waters for fishing, being able to strike whatever trade deals the country wishes to without having to consider how it may affect other members of the EU, and the UK Parliament becoming sovereign once again.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12741069)

Well, there are many sectors hit by Brexit. The Leave campaign highlighted the beleaguered UK fishing industry and pitted mercenary French and Spanish vessels against solid and forlorn Cornish and Scottish fishermen with nothing to do. It was an emotional, manipulative campaign. Of course, there are issues in off shore fishing, and Britain does list out, but it has to be seen in the wider context of us accessing European markets to sell slightly less romantic items like insurance !

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12741069)

Well, there are many sectors hit by Brexit. The Leave campaign highlighted the beleaguered UK fishing industry and pitted mercenary French and Spanish vessels against solid and forlorn Cornish and Scottish fishermen with nothing to do. It was an emotional, manipulative campaign. Of course, there are issues in off shore fishing, and Britain does list out, but it has to be seen in the wider context of us accessing European markets to sell slightly less romantic items like insurance !

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12741074)

Yes, I understand there's to be mass slaughter of unsaleable sheep upon Brexit. I suppose Dominic Cummings' EU funded farm doesn't have sheep.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12741094)

F*&K me, get Costco to contact them asap. Oh, just realised, they can't as it isn't going to happen until well after Costco's usual purchasing lead in times!

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12741088)

When did I ever suggest that it wasn't a trade off?

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12741092)

To you, maybe, to them, it was/is something very different. My family has personal experience of this and whether you like it or not, fosters the "elite and us" attitude. FFS, trying seeing things from another's perspective for once.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12741098)

You responded to DBD that there "were many advantages" and then proceeded to list some dubious ones with no reference to any trade-offs.

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12741028)

The UK had Freeports until 2012, until the relevant UK legislation ended without being continued. Malta still has one.

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12741106)

Ah.. Many thanks for that, I stand corrected.

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12741120)

How many other things are the EU blamed for that are equally untrue?

During the referendum campaign, and since then, Remainers have tried to point out these lies and misconceptions, but Leavers didn't bother listening because we weren't appealing to their emotions....

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12741097)

Eh? Is Costco going to be banned after Brexit? If not, surely it doesn't matter when the sheep are going to slaughter, cheap sheep are still cheap sheep.