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magnumpi Jul 23rd 2019 1:49 am

PM Boris
 
lol, go England go can he be any worse than trump

dbd33 Jul 23rd 2019 2:55 am

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Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 12713830)
lol, go England go can he be any worse than trump

Which is the most stupid act of my lifetime; electing Trump or choosing Brexit? Time will tell but, right now, I think America will recover from Trump.

MarkG Jul 23rd 2019 3:07 am

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Not a fan of Boris, but it's sure to be amusing.

BristolUK Jul 23rd 2019 3:30 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12713864)
...right now, I think America will recover from Trump.

Maybe. But given how much the bar has been lowered by him, would a recovery be to a point that much lower? Has he not opened the door to more of the same? Or worse.

I mistakenly believed other republicans would become embarrassed by him but there's no sign of that judging by the way that vote split on party lines last week.


dbd33 Jul 23rd 2019 3:42 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12713888)
Maybe. But given how much the bar has been lowered by him, would a recovery be to a point that much lower? Has he not opened the door to more of the same? Or worse.

I mistakenly believed other republicans would become embarrassed by him but there's no sign of that judging by the way that vote split on party lines last week.

The US could continue downhill, yes, but I think that much less likely than the UK suffering an accelerated permanent decline with Boris and the Brexiteers. They walk out of the EU, then they're completely beholden to Trump; end of NHS, proxy war with Iran, collapse of UK agriculture, renewed violence in NI. And more bloody golf courses I gotta say that people at work, those from former colonies, are absolutely loving this.


MarkG Jul 23rd 2019 3:47 am

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The British government appears to be the one trying to start a war with Iran. I honestly don't know what Trump thinks he's doing, but so far he's avoided every opportunity he's been offered to bomb the place.

And, no, there's no going back in the US or UK. The populations of both countries have seen what their 'elite' are really like, and they don't like what they see. Watching the Democrats come out of the closet as bat-crap crazy communists has been hilarious.

dbd33 Jul 23rd 2019 3:47 am

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Ha!

" Mr. Johnson, whose laziness is proverbial and opportunism legendary, is a man well practiced in deceit, a pander willing to tickle the prejudices of his audience for easy gain. His personal life is incontinent, his public record inconsequential."\

Boris Johnson Is How Britain Ends

dbd33 Jul 23rd 2019 3:49 am

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Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 12713902)
. Watching the Democrats come out of the closet as bat-crap crazy communists has been hilarious.

Has Nancy Pelosi had a strange turn I missed?

dave_j Jul 23rd 2019 4:19 am

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He certainly does invite comment.
Certainly no moderates here, you're either for or against.. but is this because you like or dislike the man or whether you have strong views about his proclaimed policies?
This man will become PM because May failed to understand the implications of her 'deal' and was stubborn enough to believe that her way was the only way.
Brexit will be front and center of every headline until and after October.
It's almost as if he's set up to fail before he starts because few will see any advantage in smoothing his path.
But he wanted the job, let's see how long he can keep it. Whoever picks up the traces if or when he goes will be relieved that they aren't where he is now.

dbd33 Jul 23rd 2019 4:27 am

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Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12713921)
He certainly does invite comment.
Certainly no moderates here, you're either for or against.. but is this because you like or dislike the man or whether you have strong views about his proclaimed policies?
.

Unlike Trump, BoJo seems personally likable, in an irresponsible rich buffoon, kind of way. He doesn't have policies so one cannot object to those. It's just that he's going to ruin the country.

Novocastrian Jul 23rd 2019 4:33 am

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I was listening to a radio interview on BBC5 whilst driving this morning. The interviewee (whose name I didn't catch) was the person who beat Boris in a 1984 election for President of the Oxford Union. The state grammar school winner explained that Boris wanted the "top job" as if by right but was unable to win because he had no plans as to what he wanted to do in office.

Some things in a personality never change in a lifetime. He has the "top job" now, probably, but again has no plans as to what to do with it Nothing he's blustered about and promised is actually in reality possible. He doesn't give a flying one, he's PM, as if by right.

I've posted before that it wouldn't surprise me if he revoked A50. Yes, he is that much of a charlatan.

Danny B Jul 23rd 2019 4:46 am

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https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...66602716d4.jpg

spouse of scouse Jul 23rd 2019 4:52 am

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Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12713947)

Looks like another Skipper, let's hope there's no shipwreck

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...1958d00770.jpg


magnumpi Jul 23rd 2019 5:13 am

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https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...2d44f0d9ad.png
So many funny pics now to choose from

caretaker Jul 23rd 2019 5:18 am

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First claiming to detest Trump, then turning 180 degrees and becoming a fan of Trump's indicates a predilection for situational ethics.

kimilseung Jul 23rd 2019 5:54 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12713904)
Has Nancy Pelosi had a strange turn I missed?

Communists now support capitalism , it's known as the Pelosi-Deng turn.

scrubbedexpat134 Jul 23rd 2019 10:10 am

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The British press seem more interested in what will happen to No 10 mouser Larry the cat now that Boris is PM rather than worrying about him running the country.

MillieF Jul 23rd 2019 10:31 am

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Originally Posted by Cheltonian (Post 12714085)
The British press seem more interested in what will happen to No 10 mouser Larry the cat now that Boris is PM rather than worrying about him running the country.

Why...is Boris anti cat...doesn’t matter Larry he’ll change his mind soon.

I am sick of being laughed at by Canadians today - they all think this is the biggest joke - but it isn’t it’s beyond tragic comedy. What an awful smug lump of a man.

How in heavens name are we ever going to push the reset button and get back to a state of world decency, where politics involves diplomacy and not nasty name calling and the colour of ones skin or religious beliefs or sex or sexual preferences make you a target?

Answers on on a postcard please...:(

Paul_Shepherd Jul 23rd 2019 10:57 am

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Originally Posted by MillieF (Post 12714091)


Why...is Boris anti cat...doesn’t matter Larry he’ll change his mind soon.

I am sick of being laughed at by Canadians today - they all think this is the biggest joke - but it isn’t it’s beyond tragic comedy. What an awful smug lump of a man.

How in heavens name are we ever going to push the reset button and get back to a state of world decency, where politics involves diplomacy and not nasty name calling and the colour of ones skin or religious beliefs or sex or sexual preferences make you a target?

Answers on on a postcard please...:(


Yeah but we.... Canada, have Trudeau! what a joke that is! lol. ...So Canadians really shouldn't be laughing!!


JamesM Jul 23rd 2019 11:00 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12713864)
Which is the most stupid act of my lifetime; electing Trump or choosing Brexit? Time will tell but, right now, I think America will recover from Trump.

The sad thing is Trump will be re-elected and Brexit will still be worse.

BEVS Jul 23rd 2019 11:01 am

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Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 12713902)
The populations of both countries have seen what their 'elite' are really like, and they don't like what they see..

In which case this is all rather odd as both Bojo and Trump are the stuff of elitist circles. They are not of the common man/woman at all.


JamesM Jul 23rd 2019 11:05 am

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Anyone right leaning is compared to Trump. Often unfairly.

I'm not massively concerned by Boris as I don't see any leader pushing Brexit through and I suspect he will not last all that long.

dbd33 Jul 23rd 2019 11:18 am

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 12714098)
Anyone right leaning is compared to Trump. Often unfairly.

I'm not massively concerned by Boris as I don't see any leader pushing Brexit through and I suspect he will not last all that long.

He'll last if he finds a way to avoid Brexit, that's his best chance.

dbd33 Jul 23rd 2019 11:29 am

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Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12714095)
Yeah but we.... Canada, have Trudeau! what a joke that is! lol. ...So Canadians really shouldn't be laughing!!

Trudeau may be a privileged himbo but he's not in the same league as the others in terms of lies told, misogyny or racism. He's not a threat to anyone and he's in bloody Canada; even if he was a Trumpian monster no one outside the country would notice.

scrubbedexpat134 Jul 23rd 2019 11:35 am

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Here are my thoughts on what will happen. Boris and Donald will sign a massive trade deal, Boris will take UK out of the EU and withhold all payments to the EU, UK and USA will quit NATO and form their own alliance, leaving the EU and NATO broken, skint and defenseless.

dbd33 Jul 23rd 2019 11:47 am

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Originally Posted by Cheltonian (Post 12714103)
Here are my thoughts on what will happen. Boris and Donald will sign a massive trade deal, Boris will take UK out of the EU and withhold all payments to the EU, UK and USA will quit NATO and form their own alliance, leaving the EU and NATO broken, skint and defenseless.

Are you willing to bet on all of that?

bxpuser053290 Jul 23rd 2019 12:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12714095)
Yeah but we.... Canada, have Trudeau! what a joke that is! lol. ...So Canadians really shouldn't be laughing!!

Exactly!

dbd33 Jul 23rd 2019 1:04 pm

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Originally Posted by Tumbling_Dice (Post 12714121)
Exactly!

What has Trudeau done, what does he have it in his power to do, that is comparable to a no deal Brexit or withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal? Granted he has dressed badly and looked a bit silly but Harper did that every day, it's just a Canadian thing. A better Canadian analog to Boris is Chretien; a clever man who posed as being a bumbling folksy character.

Paul_Shepherd Jul 23rd 2019 1:27 pm

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 12714098)
Anyone right leaning is compared to Trump. Often unfairly.

I'm not massively concerned by Boris as I don't see any leader pushing Brexit through and I suspect he will not last all that long.

Yes it does seem that way nowadays.. I have never known any right leaning politician that I could be compared to Trump, let alone a President/PM! He is a prize uneducated idiot.



Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12714101)
Trudeau may be a privileged himbo but he's not in the same league as the others in terms of lies told, misogyny or racism. He's not a threat to anyone and he's in bloody Canada; even if he was a Trumpian monster no one outside the country would notice.

No, Trudeau is not misogynistic or racist no, and I actually think he means well! just not up to the job - but still has nice hair so that helps ....,and Id still take him over Corbyn!...

dave_j Jul 23rd 2019 1:27 pm

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If I read the posts on here correctly, there seems to be a consensus that forces within the UK will somehow prevent a no deal and that unless Boris turns 180 degrees he'll be overwhelmed by the anti-no deal flood and be swept out of office.
We have a little over 3 months left in which to watch Boris to see whether he'll sink or swim.
I give him a fighting chance to leave on October 31st with a no-deal.
I don't expect the EU to reopen May's agreement because they'll think that Boris'll cave in but the man thinks he's Churchill and Arthur combined and the EU have yet to realise that Boris is not May.
I fully expect him, on October 31st, to be seen on the beach at Dover waving Excalibur yelling something about "fighting them on the beaches!" before throwing the sword into the sea.

dbd33 Jul 23rd 2019 1:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12714145)
Yes it does seem that way nowadays.. I have never known any right leaning politician that I could be compared to Trump, let alone a President/PM! He is a prize uneducated idiot.




No, Trudeau is not misogynistic or racist no, and I actually think he means well! just not up to the job - but still has nice hair so that helps ....,and Id still take him over Corbyn!...

Oh Corbyn's a ridiculous figure. The lack of a reasonable Labour leader is part of the problem leading to Boris.

ann m Jul 23rd 2019 4:16 pm

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Boris used to be good for a laugh on Have I Got News For You.
But his behaviour and lies in the campaign and run up to Brexit was disgusting, but his abdication of all responsibility for the result he created is unforgivable. May never stood a chance. So if he fails in spectacular fashion in the next few months, it will be the best thing that could happen to him. But I do feel sorry for Britain and the horrendous mess right now. Its beyond depressing and quite embarrassing.

Trump praising Boris? God help us.

jeremy brewer Jul 23rd 2019 6:06 pm

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Hi
Maybe just me

but

I never knew boris and trump were born in the same city New York

and until 3 years ago boris was still an american citizen

cheers
jeremy

Jingsamichty Jul 23rd 2019 7:48 pm

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The only glimmer of light I see in all this is at least Johnson will now be fully accountable for the lies and deceit he propagated during the EU referendum. The day after the referendum he went into hiding, but his vanity means he couldn't resist the lure of No.10 for long. Well, now he's there, he will have to face up to what he's done and wait for history to judge him. I fear it will not be as kindly as in his own mind.

What is truly frightening though is the glee with which Trump (and his puppetmasters) see the chance of working closely with Johnson (and his puppetmasters). Both Trump and Johnson are clever at getting what they want for themselves, but they are both utterly compromised individuals with no scruples or morals. The Conservative Party, and its deluded members who voted for Johnson, will take at least a generation to be forgiven for the havoc that is about to descend on the UK.

dbd33 Jul 23rd 2019 11:23 pm

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I think there will be a vote of no confidence, and an election, before the end of October. I've no idea what will happen then.

spouse of scouse Jul 24th 2019 1:13 am

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Boris, you hypocrite!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...bd1320d282.jpg


Oakvillian Jul 24th 2019 1:37 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12714289)
I think there will be a vote of no confidence, and an election, before the end of October. I've no idea what will happen then.

I'm not sure I share your confidence in the lack of confidence of the House. MPs - particualrly Tory MPs - are a fickle and self-serving lot. As soon as they realize that a no-confidence vote means there's a possibility that they may lose their seat in the subsequent election, they may be more reluctant to trigger it.

I hope that's the way it goes, though. Jo Swinson for PM, anybody?

Jingsamichty Jul 24th 2019 2:04 am

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Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 12714367)
I'm not sure I share your confidence in the lack of confidence of the House. MPs - particualrly Tory MPs - are a fickle and self-serving lot. As soon as they realize that a no-confidence vote means there's a possibility that they may lose their seat in the subsequent election, they may be more reluctant to trigger it.

I hope that's the way it goes, though. Jo Swinson for PM, anybody?

Quite. For all the claims about not serving if Johnson gets it, I suspect there will be a long enough queue of Tory MPs now looking to kiss that ring.

I've been a Labour voter all my life, until the last Euro/council elections earlier this year, when I voted Lib Dem. At present I see no credible reason for me to go back to Labour, I shall vote Lib Dem next time too. I'm not saying I'm fully on board with all LD policies, nor indeed am I a fanboy of Jo Swinson, but by God, she'd have to do a poor job indeed to be a worse party leader than Jeremy Corbyn.

Novocastrian Jul 24th 2019 2:23 am

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Originally Posted by Cheltonian (Post 12714103)
Here are my thoughts on what will happen. Boris and Donald will sign a massive trade deal, Boris will take UK out of the EU and withhold all payments to the EU, UK and USA will quit NATO and form their own alliance, leaving the EU and NATO broken, skint and defenseless.

You should probably consider consulting a psychiatrist.

Novocastrian Jul 24th 2019 2:25 am

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Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12714146)
If I read the posts on here correctly, there seems to be a consensus that forces within the UK will somehow prevent a no deal and that unless Boris turns 180 degrees he'll be overwhelmed by the anti-no deal flood and be swept out of office.
We have a little over 3 months left in which to watch Boris to see whether he'll sink or swim.
I give him a fighting chance to leave on October 31st with a no-deal.
I don't expect the EU to reopen May's agreement because they'll think that Boris'll cave in but the man thinks he's Churchill and Arthur combined and the EU have yet to realise that Boris is not May.
I fully expect him, on October 31st, to be seen on the beach at Dover waving Excalibur yelling something about "fighting them on the beaches!" before throwing the sword into the sea.

You too.


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