Teaandtoday5

You did it this way because you had something to lose if you didn't. Not everyone is that lucky.

Teaandtoday5

magnumpi

What some here are saying is that legal immigrants have to jump thru hoops to get here at great exspence and time consuming police and medical checks, while others come on a holiday and just decide to stay. (Yes some are from war torn countries, but they are here with consent I would guess and should not be mistaken for free loaders)

The traffic stop was a success, possibly based on good intelligence, no dobt gained by residents of that area, how can that be racially aimed, how if it was a success? Now if they found no one illegal? Yeh that would have been a different story I thinks !!

Siouxie

Actually, TB is on the rise in the UK and has been for years.
My Mother had TB and went into a sanatorium for a few weeks, I still remember her drinking raw eggs in milk every day to build up her strength when she returned <shudders>.

As an anecdote, I have a nephew who used to be connected to Canadian Security and used to escort illegal immigrants/criminals back to their home countries. He once took a chap to Jamaica and the person got back to Canada before he did! He left the service when he had to remove an 80 year old woman who's family decided they didn't want to continue looking after her and cancelled their sponsorship of her; he just couldn't deal with the unfairness of some of the repatriations anymore.

Tirytory

I think Oakville very succinctly explained why those sorts of procedures are dangerous for everyone. I suggest you read his post again. If you can't understand the implications of it for yourself then there's no helping you...

Oakvillian

How many different ways does one have to spell it out? The end does not justify the means. Let me take your argument to its logical conclusion. Suppose you know a couple of people that you're fairly sure, but have no actual evidence to prove, hang out with illegal immigrants. So you send a SWAT team out, pull them off the street, and set to with your waterboard equipment. "Tell me the names of the illegals you hang out with," you say, as you dunk them for the fourth time. Eventually they cough up the names, and off you trot to round up these individuals to take them to the deportation centre. You'd be OK with that, presumably, since the illegals are here illegally and have no protection under the law - is that right?

Tirytory

I didn't say it was eradicated. I was involved in diagnosing TB and had to have regular tests myself. But to claim not being racist on the basis of oh people in the UK get TB too is a misnomer...

Oakvillian

Sure, but see the small print bit at the bottom of my previous post. The large majority of TB cases in the UK since the overall incidence started rising in the 1990s has been from individuals born outside the UK and no having the advantages of the public health programs (especially childhood vaccinations) available to the rest of the population.

HPA - Tuberculosis in the UK: 2013 report

magnumpi

Not ok with the water bit :@(

But round up some illegal people and deport them, yeh that's ok thanks. Doesn't take a mastermind to locate where they gather, I'm surprised no cops and immigration didn't do the same outside of the Coral in Oshawa ?

dbd33

I'm not sure I buy that. If it is racist, it is because day labourers living in that part of Toronto tend not to be white. The suggestion that it's racist depends on the assumption that the same authorities are not taking the same action against white undocumented workers (or Asian ones or others). They could do that either by operating similar traffic stops in areas where there are many such workers or, if they only want to catch people who are working without permits, regardless of their place of origin, they could operate the traffic stops near the places where people work illegally rather than where they live.

I suspect that the authorities are not being racist here but lazy, the poorer the undocumented worker and the poorer the workers' English, the easier they are to catch and prosecute. As well, the white undocumented workers live in areas with a greater mix of incomes, a police stop in Leslieville might net an undocumented worker but it might also net a well connected lawyer familiar with his or her rights. One in Rexdale is less risky for the bill. The result is discriminatory but, imo, the intent probably isn't.

magnumpi

Ok agree with that

But what about the group "no one is illegal" is it true to say they are quite nuts in saying that anyone can just enter Canada, work and get housing without going thru all that palaver of filling out boring forms and paying money ect

dbd33

Yes. Western economies depend on not having free movement of labour. We have to keep the poor out of the developed nations in order to continue to be (relatively) rich.

Nonetheless, you can't blame an individual for trying to get in and advance economically and we're not better, just luckier, for being able to do it with appropriate paperwork.

magnumpi

No one says were "better"

It's just illegal to enter without paperwork for the purposes of work.

Ask FL, he spends his day trying to stop "illegal" workers entering. They are therefore breaking the law by just breathing the same air, but it's tax free. Wish I was able to work tax free and get all the same benefits I get now !!

Yorkiechef

It is getting to the point in UK where this is the case, there is so much conflict around the world that most of the inhabitants of the Middle East and parts of north Africa are able to claim asylum or refugee status. How anyone can possibly turn them away, well I'm not sure it is possible. The world is a changing place, perhaps the time will come when the barriers for immigrants will be torn down, only time will tell. In the meantime, where illegals are found, they should be repatriated. Asylum and refugee cases are legally permitted to stay until their case is heard, illegals are just that and the law should deal with them.

magnumpi

Good point. It's worth remembering we are discussing "illegal" workers with zero paperwork, NOT asylum or other immigrant people who are here thru no fault of their own.