Steveh27wp

But surely they are committing other offences. They get paid for working ......do they pay tax......if not, are they not guilty of a technical offence. If any of them are driving, they are possibly doing so without a valid licence and thus probably no insurance. Etc etc etc

Almost Canadian

One could argue that they were simply targeting those that were likely to be in Canada illegally, and the results suggest that their "reasonable" suspicions were correct. Whether that, in itself, is permitted is another question.

Oakvillian

Of course it matters how they were caught. Or do you want to live in the kind of society where your neighbours will inform on you to the Stasi, or an armed policeman can demand that you present identification papers at any time while you're going about your everyday business?

It is to prevent the sort of police state that so many immigrants have fled from, that there are rules about how arrests and searches can be made. It's all very well for us economic migrants to sit on an internet forum and pontificate about it, but we are only one piece of Canada's immigration pattern. Very many more are fleeing war, famine, oppression, or all three. The last thing they should have to deal with is a government that thinks it's OK to break its own rules, or an immigration service that is able to stop people on the street for no other reason than to utter a Great Escape-style "Papieren, bitte."

Oakvillian

That, I think, is rather a big question. Refugee and immigration advocates seem to be claiming, rather loudly, that hanging out where you suspect there are illegals, and springing traffic stops under the pretense of a vehicle safety exercise, is absolutely not permitted. The question then becomes, was there a genuine road safety issue being addressed, or were the OPP and the Transport officials simply there as patsies for the CBSA? That seems very unclear from commentary over the last couple of days.

magnumpi

So when the cops catch a child molester by going on line and pretending to be a young girl, (entrapment) do you sit at your TV and shout "that's not fair, the cops tricked that fellow"?

Cops do this all the time, just recently they was pretending to be homeless and ticketing for cell use at 400 slip roads. They was targeted for a reason, got caught and are now most likely eating an air Transat chicken curry. Good riddance

tim010

Police are well within their rights to ask passengers of a car for their ID. Obviously people are well within their rights to refuse to show ID as long as they are not driving.

Tim

Oakvillian

How is that similar? This was not entrapment, this was more a bait-and-switch operation. Of course I wouldn't be upset at a police operation to catch kiddie fiddlers - that's what the police are supposed to do. But if the pervert in question is a passenger in a vehicle that is stopped for an unrelated safety check, do the cops have the right to demand to see all the pictures on his phone? No, they don't, and if they did so the evidence would be thrown out before it got anywhere near a court. I might think that's a shame, but I can't argue that it ought to be allowed.

Somehow the rules are different for CBSA investigators, are they?

Oakvillian

Miss the point, much? Illegals are not renowned for their knowledge of the finer points of Canadian law. I don't know how these stops went down. But imagine the scenario: guy with gun waves it in face, demands ID. Immigrant, scared sh*tless because of previous experience of corrupt and trigger-happy police force in own country, breaks down and says "I don't have any." Handcuffs applied, back of the squad car beckons. What would you do differently?

magnumpi

I would call it targeted entrapment. And it worked a treat.

How many illegal worker do you think will be working tax free today?

Oakvillian

Thousands. Thousands upon thousands.

magnumpi

Minus 5 yeh, and not as many from the Jane Wilson area :@)

dbd33

Either no one checks or the system isn't very organized. I'm quite certain that the people I know to have been thrown out a couple of times are not engaging in any sort of complicated subterfuge; they just book the flight back and go drinking until it's time to fly.

magnumpi

Well if the Liberals have their way soon all immigrants illegal or not will be able to get a GOV I'd card, no questions asked and then claim health care, housing and EI when needed. And no one will be allowed to ask if they are PR or Citizens.

The wiki here will be shortened to read:

"Just come on holiday, get an ID card and stay as long as u like"

Not even a PR renewal or days in Canada. What a wonderful world a Liberal world will be !!!

Yorkiechef

Magnum , I'm with you that they should be sent back. If any of these illegals had a problem with their country of origin and decided to come to Canada to escape that, they can squeal the asylum line and have legal rights, believe me, they know their rights. These individuals could be from Britain for all we know, send them back to where they came from, I spent plenty trying to come here legally, I expect my privileges to be protected, as I would like to see any asylum seekers protected. If this is what it takes to catch these people, so be it. Any liberal types that think differently, I hope they move on next to you, perhaps they will wash your car cheap, after all they are not paying tax. Or perhaps they could make you a nice curry, let's hope they don't have TB or Ebola, because they won't have had the medical.

dbd33

I personally am commiting a technical offence of that nature just about every moment I'm awake. Canada has a lot of laws, some for everyone, so we all break some every day. The merit of undocumented workers is that they care not to get caught, they try not to speed, not to be obviously drunk at the wheel, not to fight inside the bar. They try to be inconspicuous. Documented workers can afford to behave less well as they can just pay the fines.

I suppose all the posters on this thread are working in a foreign country, Canada. It's not our country, we belong here as much or as little as the people being rounded up. We shouldn't think ourselves better than them.