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People around here intending on using this idiotic piece on Halton's website about ' being exempt from wearing a mask.. and an idiot lawyer in Toronto is backing it.

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If wearing a mask is going to have "a negative impact to their emotional wellbeing" what would being intubated in hospital do to them? :rolleyes:

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Some tips here for the folks who wear specs

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/newsbeat...a-face-mask-on

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I saw a video last week - may have been one you posted - where someone said the soap thing didn't work but he did recommend the paper towel one.

Wiping lenses with a paper towel. I used to do that until I read about little scratches. I've not used one on the glasses I collected late last year and I cannot see a single scratch on them whereas previously I did. To be honest, though, all those minute scratches never affected vision at all. I could see them looking at the lenses but not looking through them.

Possibly the best method on the other video was a bit of surgical tape at the top, preventing breath going up. Peel away delicately though.

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Well to be fair someone being intubated would be put out first anyway so you wouldn't really know much about it until you cam round, if you came round.

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I see so many people on the news wearing their masks wrong.

Cover your nose people, don't let it sag down.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/explaine...ar-a-face-mask

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Scotrail.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...d74d0bbdc.jpeg

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I decided early on (since I can see well without them on) to just hang my glasses on the neck of my t-shirt and replace them when the mask comes off. I was in Walmart this morning and it looked like less than half the customers were wearing masks.

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It's over the nose too. :thumbup:

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I bought a $3.50 mask from Dollarama that is a camouflage pattern and fits like a charm. I cut up some blue shop towel into rectangle shapes and use these as inserts to add another layer of protection.

I was wearing it in my local supermarket yesterday, I must have been in the 1% of people who was wearing a mask, I felt really self conscious at first, but then it actually grew on me and now I'm going to wear it whenever I go into a shop.

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But surely nobody can see it...so why feel self conscious? ;)

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I really do wish that we would just make face mask wearing obligatory in shops and other public spaces. It would stop the - in my area, few, idiots, that won't. I really am shocked by how many of you on here are saying that you aren't seeing many masks...here seems to be the exception.

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I went to a shop and an Indian restaurant yesterday. Everyone was wearing a mask. At the street market and on the patios, none.

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It was only about a month ago that it was going to be mandatory in NB and then a day or so before the gov backtracked on it. NS is just doing it and it's almost like NB hasn't because the gov doesn't want to be seen as following someone else's lead. :unsure:

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The governor here (NC) made masks "mandatory" several weeks ago, but based on what I saw in local groceries, at a quiet time of day (before 9am), when presumably risk averse shoppers were out, mask wearing was only around 80%-90%. I guess that compliance would be lower later in the day. And when I was at Lowe's (DIY), also at a quite time of day (evening) I would only put compliance at around 60%-70%.

Within the past week several local stores, including my preferred grocery and Lowe's, have made wearing a mask a requirement for entering the store, but I haven't been shopping since then, so I can't report whether compliance has increased. I wouldn't bet 5c on compliance being 100%.

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But is this really going to do enough? Yes it MAY help in preventing increased infection spread but likely it will NOT reduce or eliminate this virus. There is way too much emphasis on masks at present, its everywhere on local news sites to social media sites and it seems you cannot go 5 minutes without seeing someone posting something about ignorant non mask wearers.
Spain, a country that has had strict mask rules for some time now, even when outdoors, has seen enough local spikes that its now off the "safe to fly to" list from UK and everyone has to quarantine for 14 days coming home. How has mask wearing helped them? The facts as i see it are that we are not getting huge spikes and clusters originating from our shopping trips to stores, we are getting them from bars, clubs, restaurants and private functions. The very places where masks are not mandatory.

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Put it this way, if someone near you was coughing would you rather both of you were wearing masks, one of you wearing a mask, or none of you wearing a mask? I know which one I'd prefer!

I don't think anyone's saying that wearing a mask will make the virus disappear, nor is wearing a mask a guarantee that you won't be infected/infectious. It's just one tool in protecting yourself and others.

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No one's wearing them here Millie, at least not in the supermarket I shop at. At a very rough guess there were about 100 people in and out yesterday, plus staff, and I didn't see anyone wearing a mask - except one person behind the deli window who I belatedly realised was me :lol:

I get that we haven't had any community transmission cases for some time in Western Australia, but what's happening in Victoria and (to a lesser extent) New South Wales could just as easily happen here.

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But that is exactly what people believe. Countless times i see posts from people stating "if we all wear masks this thing will be over much quicker" and other similar posts. It was the same with the original "stay at home, it's the least you can do so we can all get back to normal" How well did that work out? 2 weeks turned into months and now we are seeing more spikes.
Yes it's a tool to help prevent spread but its not effective in the main areas of transmission, this is my argument.

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I am totally confused by this. :confused:

You start out asserting that masks aren't helpful (when all the informed sources say they are, but that's a seprarate matter), but end up concluding that the spikes are driven by places where masks aren't mandatory, which unless I am more confused than you appear to be, proves that masks do help. :confused:

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I'd suggest you stay away from known sources of bollocks. :lol:

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I was fortunate when I forgot mine and the pup had her Bandana on so borrowed it, lots of hairs.

A lady I know makes them and is going to make some logo ones for our Society as a fund raiser, will be interesting to see how they come out, she was not impressed with my Wal Mart ones.

I picked up some disposable ones from my yard yesterday, presumably they blew in, can see these being a major ecological issue.

Somebody I know has a VA appointment and apparently the regular ones do not pass muster and they supply ones that meet their standards.

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The idea is to reduce transmission, so if it spreads to less and less people eventually there are no infected people left to transmit it on, you have those that have caught it and have some ? immunity ?, those that haven't >
Granted if you then take the masks off, and re-introduce the virus it'll start re-infecting, so its likely masks will stay until a vaccine is created ,a dn may even become a standard in 'normal' flue season

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The thing I consistently hear from the anti-maskers, which they seem to entirely ignore, is that the primary beneficiary of your mask is everyone you meet, and that you are benefiting from everyone else's masks. So while you are being an @r$e exercising your "freedom of choice", it is everyone else that you are putting at risk.

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Wearing a mask in enclosed / indoor spaces is now mandatory in London (with a by-law).

And yet, today on a visit to my local Chiropractor, lo and behold, a few people in the waiting room NOT wearing a mask - so we walked out and told them on the desk to come and get us in our car when we can go straight to a room.

Our chiropractor seems more concerned with 'not upsetting' anyone than enforcing a city-wide rule. Not happy, but from now on we will wait in the car and go directly yo a room.

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They probably believe they don't come under the requirement for mask wearing under 5(b) :(

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Aaaahhh!!! Very interesting. Extremely good spot, thank you.

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The last time I saw that one it was in the Western region, somewhere between Paddington and Cardiff most likely, or possibly up near Gloucester. :unsure: Of course back then it was in its pre-mask livery. :lol:

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Why are you confused? I simply stated that the main source or these spikes we are seeing (The one here in Kelowna for example) started from gatherings at private functions, pubs and restaurants. None of these places would have a mask mandate. So yes IF they all wore masks at these events MAYBE we wouldn't have seen the spike. BUT clearly we don't have that mandate but we do have lots of people assuming that wearing a mask in a store will reduce transmissions. To date i am not aware of any spikes originating from stores or libraries or government buildings or art galleries to name a few. So to clarify are we likely to see masks being mandatory in ALL pubs, restaurants and private spaces where people MAY gather? If that is not a possibility then i still say we are not going to see much of a difference. BC has done very well up to this point except for the recent Kelowna outbreak and none of this is because we all wore masks.

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frankly I am as confused as Pulaski. You seem to be saying that because the spikes aren’t from places where people wear masks, then no-one should wear masks anywhere? This is the sort of tortured logic that leaves me completely bemused.

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https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1..._960/image.jpg


the Big Apple

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Yeah, pretty much this - but Printer is still denying that masks are helpful, while simultaneously pointing out that places where masks are required are not apparently the source of hotspots.

I'm curious, how much evidence he needs to accept that masks are helpful, because at the moment he has stated that places without a mask mandate are generating hotspots, and places with a mask mandate are not generating hotspots. So at the moment all the empirical evidence, that he himself has cited, points to masks being an effective way to limit the spread of the virus. What more does he need? :confused:

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This yes. Masks have not been in general use since we started to flatten the curve and were not in general use when we opened things up and yet figures were ok, the powers that be did not mandate mask wearing even though some were calling for it. Yet we were moving along with numbers dropping but an occasional blip here and there. Masks did not do this so why do you believe they will now? Shut all bars, clubs, restaurants and stop private gatherings and functions and you will see a drop i have no doubt. Keep them open and wear as many masks as you like in Costco and the mall and we will not see a significant drop in spikes.
I don't know how i can be clearer on my thoughts. I am not saying masks don't work i am saying they are not stopping the spikes in cases which surely is the whole point

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You can wear masks everywhere if you like but will it stop the spikes we are seeing? Not unless you wear one in the places i listed. So how do you suggest that these spikes that have been troubling us are managed? Remember we weren't wearing them last month in stores, nothing much has changed, in fact grocery stores have been open this entire pandemic with few wearing masks and i don't remember any stats that show we had spikes in any grocery stores to be concerned about. To put it another way how do you get masks to be worn where there is obviously a risk, as in a pub for example?

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Mask have been put into place and pushed for as we are now confident that the virus can be distributed via fine aerosols (breathing) and from asymptomatic carriers, the earlier assumption was it travelled in large drops (coughs) or physical contact with a symptomatic carrier, so just staying 2M apart and washing hands would have been enough
This is a new virus and its transmission isn't fully understood


either way not wearing masks is a choice, also avoiding high risk area's is a choice
don't forget to avoid people who don't wear masks and go to high risk areas is another choice
one's that Darwin would have approved of
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I hear ya, plus I need to wear glasses, plus I work in an environment where if my glasses fog up, I am reasonably likely to injure or kill many people.

After several attempts, my employer's workplace safety people found a mask that
- fit me well
- didn't fog my glasses
- was (sort-of) certified for minimizing biological pathogen transmission

My manager took me aside, gave me one of these "special" masks, proudly noting that it had cost $14.00, so couldn't be issued to just everybody. I asked him about washing instructions, but he didn't know.

The mask worked really well, didn't fog me up during the work-day, great solution overall. Got home, looked it up on the internet: not washable, not intended for re-use, per the manufacturer's PDS.

Showed up to work next day, asked for another one, pointed out why, with appropriate reference to the manufacturer's website.

Suddenly *I'm* the cause of a big problem...

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There seems to be a basic misunderstanding here.

Grocery stores remained open throughout, as you say, with no (known) spikes. Have you heard that there was thing called social distancing? There was something else too. Limits on numbers in the stores. Also aisles were made one way only. Stuff like that designed to keep people apart making transmission less likely.

Have you perhaps considered that pubs, clubs and restaurants all have something in common? Namely the frequent or ongoing need to access one's mouth? Do you not think that makes transmission a bit more likely than the restrictions that are far more practical in grocery stores?

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Then there is the matter of time of exposure. In a grocery store people are moving backwards and forwards, and so in, say, 45 minutes in a grocery you might walk past many people, but only encounter a few of them more than once, and none of them more than briefly. Whereas in a bar or restaurant you remain in one place for an hour or more, near the same people, so if you happen to be "downwind" from someone infected you will be breathing in viral particles with every breath.

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Someone out here is making masks with Newfie messages on them:
https://www.varagesale.com/regina-sk...-message-masks