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Piff Poff May 1st 2020 10:14 am

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How many of you are wearing masks when you are out and about? Do you think we will be required to wear masks in public now they are talking about lifting the rules? I don't know whether I should bother getting a washable one or not, maybe worth it for future air travel??

scrubbedexpat091 May 1st 2020 10:20 am

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My wife wears one when she goes into stores. I don't as we only have one.

California requires masks when in certain public places, well a face covering, mask, paper bag, you name it people have done it......So wouldn't be shocked if some provinces require it at some point, but who knows.

I have decided not to fly until either there is a vaccine or it dies out on its own/no longer a major issue. I hate things on my face, and couldn't imagine wearing a mask or face covering for hours on end in a plane.

Almost Canadian May 1st 2020 10:39 am

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I don't believe I am infected and, that being the case, why would I wear one? Transmission is via droplets so, unless you intend to go somewhere where you believe someone will spit on you, why would you wear one? Washing hands is far more important.

dave_j May 1st 2020 10:46 am

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12847003)
I don't believe I am infected and, that being the case, why would I wear one?

But isn't this Trump's defence?
My wife wears one when she shops, I sit in the car. Not only is wearing one at this time comforting for others, but you can't be absolutely sure that you aren't a carrier.
To me it's such a little thing, such a small contribution to the welfare of others that it seems ridicuous not to contribute to the greater good.



Almost Canadian May 1st 2020 11:07 am

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Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12847010)
But isn't this Trump's defence?
My wife wears one when she shops, I sit in the car. Not only is wearing one at this time comforting for others, but you can't be absolutely sure that you aren't a carrier.
To me it's such a little thing, such a small contribution to the welfare of others that it seems ridicuous not to contribute to the greater good.

It is my opinion after doing lots of research. I don't speak for anyone else on this board.

I don't sneeze at people, I don't spit at them either. What do you believe wearing one is actually preventing?

Danny B May 1st 2020 11:28 am

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12847003)
I don't believe I am infected and, that being the case, why would I wear one? Transmission is via droplets so, unless you intend to go somewhere where you believe someone will spit on you, why would you wear one? Washing hands is far more important.

Good job this doesn't apply to Canada stores...yet.



Almost Canadian May 1st 2020 11:33 am

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Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12847026)
Good job this doesn't apply to Canada stores...yet.

I am happy for everyone to be safe but, if we are all keeping 6 feet from the next person, how will a mask help? In addition, if they are now suddenly required, why weren't they required before?

scrubbedexpat091 May 1st 2020 11:43 am

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From what I have read masks are not to keep you from getting sick, but to keep you from spreading it to others and help contain your droplets.

That is what BC CDC says anyhow on their website.

"wearing a mask can help in containing your own droplets and protect others but it will not protect you from COVID-19. "

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Almost Canadian May 1st 2020 11:53 am

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12847035)
From what I have read masks are not to keep you from getting sick, but to keep you from spreading it to others and help contain your droplets.

That is what BC CDC says anyhow on their website.

"wearing a mask can help in containing your own droplets and protect others but it will not protect you from COVID-19. "

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And the reason there weren't required previously is? If we were not a danger to others previously, how come we are now?

Piff Poff May 1st 2020 12:27 pm

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It's more of a I've seen the sign for Costco and the requirements for flying, is this going to become widespread. If it is I'll order a cute one, off of one of these it takes forever and a day but is cheap places.

I had to wear one at the Dr's the other day. Felt like a numpty and it gets hot pretty quick, so would rather not wear one.

BristolUK May 1st 2020 12:35 pm

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12847041)
And the reason there weren't required previously is? If we were not a danger to others previously, how come we are now?

There have been many news reports of shortages and that what supplies there were to be found, health and care workers were considered the priority?

Some quick examples from googling

European CDC - 8/4/20 - A facemask may help reduce the spread of infection in the community by minimising the excretion of respiratory droplets from infected individuals who may not even know they are infected….The use of medical face masks by healthcare workers must be given priority over the use in the community.

MSN New Zealand - 2/4/20 - A top epidemiologist in Hong Kong says it is safer for people to wear surgical masks if they are available, but health workers must have first call when supplies are short.

CTV - 3/420 - There have even been reports the WHO is evaluating its policy on the use of masks in light of recent studies that suggest people who don’t have any symptoms or haven’t exhibited symptoms yet can still infect others… Canadian doctors have started to encourage the use of face masks in public as an additional strategy to combat the disease…Infectious diseases specialist Dr. Jeff Kwong says that when it comes to face masks, the first consideration should be for health-care workers.

“First and foremost, we need to ensure that there is enough supply of masks for our health-care workers,” he told CTV’s Your Morning on Friday.

Almost Canadian May 1st 2020 1:03 pm

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12847051)
Are you completely unaware of repeated news reports of shortages and that what supplies there were to be found, health and care workers were considered the priority?

Of.course I am. A matter of days later, Alberta, apparently, had so many that they could send them all across Canada. . I am also aware that, apparently, home made ones or scarves can be used. Your point is?

I am aware that lots of people will do whatever they are told without question. Fortunately, there are some that ask questions and obtain answers.

Again, if someone could point me in the direction of the science that says that their use is required, my opinion may change.

Are you able to explain why remaining at least 2 metres from others is not sufficient?

BristolUK May 1st 2020 1:07 pm

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12847041)
And the reason there weren't required previously is? If we were not a danger to others previously, how come we are now?


Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12847057)
Of.course I am. A matter of days later, Alberta, apparently, had so many that they could send them all across Canada. . I am also aware that, apparently, home made ones or scarves can be used. Your point is?

See edit...most of the world was advising priority for health/care workers.

BristolUK May 1st 2020 1:09 pm

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12847057)

Are you able to explain why remaining at least 2 metres from others is not sufficient?

Well there was a report in the news a couple of weeks ago of the effect of a sneeze in a supermarket that spread a damned sight more than 6 feet.

I suppose now you'll be saying that everyone religiously maintains that distance. :rofl:

jimf May 1st 2020 2:40 pm

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Haven't worn a face mask yet. Seems likely they will become a requirement, although the real purpose does appear to be to address mental/anxiety/control illusion issues.

https://www.businessinsider.com/face...-mental-health

sid nv May 1st 2020 3:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12847017)
It is my opinion after doing lots of research. I don't speak for anyone else on this board.

I don't sneeze at people, I don't spit at them either. What do you believe wearing one is actually preventing?

I also did some research on this today. Sprinkling seasoning onto BBQ meat always starts me sneezing and I usually add some spit for flavour, so I ran an exercise with mask donned. The mask turned into a snotty wet mess, but I have a feeling that store workers prefer this result to getting sprayed.

scilly May 1st 2020 3:36 pm

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It has already been announced that Air Canada will require a) all passengers to have a temperature test before being allowed to board, and b) wear a mask at all times on the plane. I thine Vancouver Airport is already requiring people to wear masks in the terminus.

BC Transit is reported to be looking at how how to board passengers at the front door of buses so they can start charging fares again, and passengers will be required to wear masks.

We haven't bothered with masks so far, but we thought we'd get some. I'm looking at getting a couple of washable ones, plus a box of "disposable" ones. I'm really hoping that we might be able to take a train trip in the fall, as well as at Christmas, and VIA was requiring the same as AC before they shut down ..... temperature test before boarding and a mask onboard.

scrubbedexpat091 May 1st 2020 4:16 pm

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Originally Posted by scilly (Post 12847093)
It has already been announced that Air Canada will require a) all passengers to have a temperature test before being allowed to board, and b) wear a mask at all times on the plane. I thine Vancouver Airport is already requiring people to wear masks in the terminus.

BC Transit is reported to be looking at how how to board passengers at the front door of buses so they can start charging fares again, and passengers will be required to wear masks.

We haven't bothered with masks so far, but we thought we'd get some. I'm looking at getting a couple of washable ones, plus a box of "disposable" ones. I'm really hoping that we might be able to take a train trip in the fall, as well as at Christmas, and VIA was requiring the same as AC before they shut down ..... temperature test before boarding and a mask onboard.

It's a federal requirement for masks at airports and planes, not an airline or airport decision.


scilly May 1st 2020 5:20 pm

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12847102)
It's a federal requirement for masks at airports and planes, not an airline or airport decision.

That is true ......, but the announcement that I saw was from Air Canada itself, which is why I posted it the way that I did. That was on the financial pages of the Sun.

In a similar way, what I said about VIA was the information that I got directly in an email from the company several weeks ago, together with a recent update that this is what would happen when they could re-start their services, whether that be the sleeper trains or the ones in the Corridor.

caretaker May 1st 2020 7:33 pm

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Originally Posted by jimf (Post 12847081)
Haven't worn a face mask yet. Seems likely they will become a requirement, although the real purpose does appear to be to address mental/anxiety/control illusion issues.

https://www.businessinsider.com/face...-mental-health

If you have the virus but don't know it yet, or have the virus but are asymptomatic, wearing a mask in public can prevent you from infecting others. The Business Insider article may have been up to date 2 months ago, but we're learning more about the virus and how it's transmitted all the time.

dbd33 May 1st 2020 11:38 pm

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I haven't worn a mask and have carried on shopping as usual (except for cheese, cheese is always a problem in Canadian crises). I understand that the supermarkets now require a face covering so today I'll have to dig out the burka.

Former Lancastrian May 2nd 2020 12:10 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12847243)
I haven't worn a mask and have carried on shopping as usual (except for cheese, cheese is always a problem in Canadian crises). I understand that the supermarkets now require a face covering so today I'll have to dig out the burka.

Don't you have an old Spurs scarf you could use as a face covering? What type of sandals would you be wearing if wearing the burka?

Nand May 2nd 2020 12:40 am

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I spent a month in a muslim country and I have the whole nine yards. it covers everything including my eyes with little net like material over the eye holes even with an extra veil option that can be flipped over the head to cover the already fully covered face. I bought gloves and socks to match, the sleeves are tight with the wrists so they come well down over the tops of the elbow length gloves all of which are required to be considered fully covered. Its just really hard to avoid tripping (as the length has to cover the feet, as no sandles or bare feet allowed) especially while holding onto very many things because of the ample meters of material used to make the thing. It is not the best garment for unassisted shopping for large volumes of food items and especially difficult being able to see enough to check veg and fruit freshness or stale by dates on things. Still it might be ok for shopping in smaller well lit shops.

I probably will wear it if I ever have to go out though, I couldn't get better coverage and its completely washable. I could add a pair of oversized sun glasses or a baseball type visor cap over the top.

I'm still a complete isolationist atm.

dbd33 May 2nd 2020 12:50 am

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12847263)
Don't you have an old Spurs scarf you could use as a face covering? What type of sandals would you be wearing if wearing the burka?

I do wear a Tottenham scarf in the winter/ I hadn't considered spitting on it. Perhaps there's an Arsenal one here somewhere.

I''s not the season for sandals, it'll be Docs regardless of the rest of the outfit.

dbd33 May 2nd 2020 12:52 am

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Originally Posted by tumbleweedly (Post 12847281)
I spent a month in a muslim country and I have the whole nine yards. it covers everything including my eyes with little net like material over the eye holes even with an extra veil option that can be flipped over the head to cover the already fully covered face. I bought gloves and socks to match, the sleeves are tight with the wrists so they come well down over the tops of the elbow length gloves all of which are required to be considered fully covered. Its just really hard to avoid tripping (as the length has to cover the feet, as no sandles or bare feet allowed) especially while holding onto very many things because of the ample meters of material used to make the thing. It is not the best garment for unassisted shopping for large volumes of food items and especially difficult being able to see enough to check veg and fruit freshness or stale by dates on things. Still it might be ok for shopping in smaller well lit shops.

I probably will wear it if I ever have to go out though, I couldn't get better coverage and its completely washable. I could add a pair of oversized sun glasses or a baseball type visor cap over the top.

I'm still a complete isolationist atm.


As long as you're wearing all of that, why not skip the shopping and butcher a cow?

beckiwoo May 2nd 2020 1:00 am

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I made myself about 6 masks using decent material and a combination of either elastic/ribbon as ties. I prefer the ribbon.

I wear them when I go to supermarket or if I need to go inside any other public place. I do not wear a mask when I’m driving in my car with no one else in there.

If it does become mandatory to wear masks then I’m ok with it. I’m ok with flying with one on as well.

Only downside is wearing a mask outside and sunglasses...sunglasses get steamed up from my breath.

MillieF May 2nd 2020 2:06 am

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I lived in Muslim countries for 20 odd years, and the problem that I have is that I realize that I am very big on non verbal communications. Quite often somebody would stick their head around my office door and ask me where somebody was etc in Arabic, and my immediate response was 'I can't hear you I haven't got my glasses on'. When I put my glasses on I could see them speak and all was well. I had to train a group of young female engineers in workover at one point, and I had a devil of a job with the ones that were fully covered. I fear that I am not going to be able to understand a range of people in masks. I actually find masks quite scary, a bit like clowns...I expect I'm going to have to get over myself...

Former Lancastrian May 2nd 2020 3:10 am

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I guess grocery shopping in a Burka can have its advantages. If you could sew in multiple pockets on the inside then not as many shopping bags required and if that way inclined great for shoplifting. I know me bad.

scrubbedexpat134 May 2nd 2020 3:41 am

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So how do all you glasses wearing people stop your glasses fogging up while wearing a face mask?

Danny B May 2nd 2020 3:50 am

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Originally Posted by Cheltonian (Post 12847358)
So how do all you glasses wearing people stop your glasses fogging up while wearing a face mask?

I haven't tried this method for any length of time, but it seems to work when I was practising with wearing a mask.

If you fold a tissue horizontally and put it between your face and the top of your mask—so it sits over the bridge of your nose— the moisture from your breath will be absorbed by the tissue instead of hitting your glasses lenses.

Siouxie May 2nd 2020 4:06 am

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12847017)
It is my opinion after doing lots of research. I don't speak for anyone else on this board.

I don't sneeze at people, I don't spit at them either. What do you believe wearing one is actually preventing?

You often appear to become a little contentious when people have a different opinion to you, do you not think others have undertaken research as well? Just because you think differently it doesn't make you right and them wrong.. (or vice-versa, before you jump all over that).

Sometimes your comments come across as almost deliberately challenging... for the sake of it....... or are you genuinely interested in others opinions?
:sneaky:

Jerseygirl May 2nd 2020 5:03 am

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We have been wearing masks when we are out walking for the last 8 weeks. IMO everyone should wear a mask. It doesn’t harm and the experts say it will help stop the virus spreading. Dramatizations of the spread of the droplets from sneezes and coughs seems to go far beyond the 6ft social distancing.

Yes they do get uncomfortable and glasses do steam up, but it’s a small price to pay to help keep us all safe.

Siouxie May 2nd 2020 5:05 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12847395)
We have been wearing masks when we are out walking for the last 8 weeks. IMO everyone should wear a mask. It doesn’t harm and the experts say it will help stop the virus spreading. Dramatizations of the spread of the droplets from sneezes and coughs seems to go far beyond the 6ft social distancing.

Yes they do get uncomfortable and glasses do steam up, but it’s a small price to pay to help keep us all safe.

:goodpost:

Partially discharged May 2nd 2020 5:41 am

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Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12847370)
You often appear to become a little contentious when people have a different opinion to you, do you not think others have undertaken research as well? Just because you think differently it doesn't make you right and them wrong.. (or vice-versa, before you jump all over that).

Sometimes your comments come across as almost deliberately challenging... for the sake of it....... or are you genuinely interested in others opinions?
:sneaky:

If you're calling out Almost Canadian I think there are other posters (some of whom post a lot) who come across as 'deliberately challenging'. I find in many discussions Almost Canadian comes across as the voice of reason. He may have different opinions on Covid but in general I find he gets to the bottom of most discussions quite quickly and with good insights.

He's not in Alex Jones territory https://www.wired.com/story/google-b...s-coronavirus/ by any stretch with his thoughts on the pandemic.

bats May 2nd 2020 6:25 am

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Put your glasses over the top edge of your mask to stop them steaming up.

Siouxie May 2nd 2020 9:45 am

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Originally Posted by Partially discharged (Post 12847412)
If you're calling out Almost Canadian I think there are other posters (some of whom post a lot) who come across as 'deliberately challenging'. I find in many discussions Almost Canadian comes across as the voice of reason. He may have different opinions on Covid but in general I find he gets to the bottom of most discussions quite quickly and with good insights.

He's not in Alex Jones territory https://www.wired.com/story/google-b...s-coronavirus/ by any stretch with his thoughts on the pandemic.

I wasn't calling anyone out.

IrishDigger May 2nd 2020 11:12 am

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You could always make your own,


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...032adc1d70.jpg

dbd33 May 2nd 2020 12:07 pm

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12847350)
I guess grocery shopping in a Burka can have its advantages. If you could sew in multiple pockets on the inside then not as many shopping bags required and if that way inclined great for shoplifting. I know me bad.

In the end I went to Loblaws and there was no mask requirement and surprisingly few people. They didn't have any flour so I tried "Freshco". Never been in Freshco before. Apparently it's where men who wear hats shop. I've long known that no one can drive a car, or truck, competently while wearing a hat. What I didn't realise was that hat wearing causes the same degree of dithering and erratic selection of course when packing groceries. I was a long time getting that bag of flour.

I didn't see anyone wearing a mask at either shop, nor at the LCBO where a squabble was in progress over whether one should stand between the lines taped on the pavement or on the lines themselves. This is a hot topic in Ontario, the same argument was raging in the queue at Service Ontario last week.

Piff Poff May 2nd 2020 1:24 pm

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12847497)
In the end I went to Loblaws and there was no mask requirement and surprisingly few people. They didn't have any flour so I tried "Freshco". Never been in Freshco before. Apparently it's where men who wear hats shop. I've long known that no one can drive a car, or truck, competently while wearing a hat. What I didn't realise was that hat wearing causes the same degree of dithering and erratic selection of course when packing groceries. I was a long time getting that bag of flour.

I didn't see anyone wearing a mask at either shop, nor at the LCBO where a squabble was in progress over whether one should stand between the lines taped on the pavement or on the lines themselves. This is a hot topic in Ontario, the same argument was raging in the queue at Service Ontario last week.

surely you stand in between the lines, almost like standing in a box?

Piff Poff May 2nd 2020 1:25 pm

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Thanks for your thoughts everyone. Much appreciated, keep staying safe.


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