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Old Jun 4th 2012 | 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by ultrarunner
Vince Li might walk actually based on the insanity excuse that is being thrown around. He said he though the passenger was an alien from space
They also said that if he doesn't keep taking the pills, then he may very well re offend! oh good
 
Old Jun 4th 2012 | 4:53 pm
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Originally Posted by iaink
Absolutely not. But only if he can be "cured", which is a big if. and presumes that hes out of his mind in the first case.
Would you be comfortable with him living next door to you and your family should he be deemed cured?
 
Old Jun 4th 2012 | 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by magnumpi
Back to the real world ehh.

Life is the best the law can give, so life it should be.

As far as all the psychotic stuff, well he was normal, I use that term loosley in this case, to rig up a video and stream online. Hardly a crazzed crack head murder ehh.

The fact that Li is out after only four years and breathing the same free air as is very worrying. Maybe a good laywer and doctor looking to hit the headlines can push the psychotic side and get him out in 3 years, instead of 4. You get more for shoplifting these days.
Well not exactly out and free, Li has been granted short escorted trips into town with a nurse and security guard.

Even in prison the majority get yard time and some get work release type programs.

Why should a psychiatric patient have to be locked inside 24/7?
 
Old Jun 4th 2012 | 7:43 pm
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The absence of TV at home is sometimes a blessing.
Gives you more time to look at internet porn.
 
Old Jun 4th 2012 | 11:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321

Why should a psychiatric patient have to be locked inside 24/7?
Well call me old fashioned, or non PC but Yeh, psycho killers should spend time in jail just like good old fashioned normal killers and rapists.
 
Old Jun 5th 2012 | 12:07 am
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So what are the chances of these loons re-offending (recidivism)?

I found some stats on offenders being charged or convicted of similar crimes (so it's probably safe to assume that the re-offend rate is higher):

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/res/co...307_1-eng.aspx

Reconviction rate for violence 14% in first year of release (this rate decreases slightly for each subsequent year).

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/res/co...407_1-eng.aspx

"After twenty years, 73% of sexual offenders had not been charged with, or convicted of, another sexual offence in the community."
 
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But almost a quarter have Re offended. That's not anything to boast about now is it.
 
Old Jun 5th 2012 | 12:21 am
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Pretty shocking, really.

The consequences of releasing a [seemingly tame] tiger out of its zoo cage to wander the streets among us seem pretty obvious to me.

Originally Posted by magnumpi
But almost a quarter have Re offended. That's not anything to boast about now is it.
 
Old Jun 5th 2012 | 12:30 am
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Originally Posted by Greenhill
Pretty shocking, really.

The consequences of releasing a [seemingly tame] tiger out of its zoo cage to wander the streets among us seem pretty obvious to me.
That's what they did with the Eaton cntr shooter, Husbands, he was let out pending further inq into his mister meanies, and went to the mall for a shoot out.
 
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Originally Posted by magnumpi
That's what they did with the Eaton cntr shooter, Husbands, he was let out pending further inq into his mister meanies, and went to the mall for a shoot out.
and had no regard for the words "House Arrest" honestly, the do gooders hack me right off. Excuse the pun

It's taking a bit of time to get Magnotta to the Judge in Berlin as they are "having difficulty in finding a lawyer to represent him" Aye, you're not kidding, who the **** would want to represent that narcissistic, murdering, gore munger?. Unless the notoriety factor is too good to pass up

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Originally Posted by el_richo
Would you be comfortable with him living next door to you and your family should he be deemed cured?
Possibly fine with it as long as they have served their time and had "treatment" for the miracle cure.
 
Old Jun 5th 2012 | 12:43 am
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Originally Posted by dollface
and had no regard for the words "House Arrest" honestly, the do gooders hack me right off. Excuse the pun
Well he was obviously thought of as a good guy now with no threat to the public, so why would you lock him up.? Ian? Ehh, explain that one to the 13 year old boys parents.
 
Old Jun 5th 2012 | 12:43 am
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Originally Posted by el_richo
Would you be comfortable with him living next door to you and your family should he be deemed cured?
There are 300000 known schizophrenics living in Canada. Global sales of Olanzapine were pushing $5Billion in 2008. Theres a good chance the neighbours might suffer the same condition anyway...

The trick here is to ensure they keep taking their drugs innit. Gotta be cheaper then locking them up for the next 60 or 70 years.
 
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Originally Posted by iaink
There are 300000 known schizophrenics living in Canada. Global sales of Olanzapine were pushing $5Billion in 2008. Theres a good chance the neighbours might suffer the same condition anyway...

The trick here is to ensure they keep taking their drugs innit. Gotta be cheaper then locking them up for the next 60 or 70 years.
So why not just narrow it down a bit to, err, let me see? Hum I know, psycos that cut people up and eat people. Yeh that could work, that's two then ehh.
 
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Originally Posted by magnumpi
Well he was obviously thought of as a good guy now with no threat to the public, so why would you lock him up.? Ian? Ehh, explain that one to the 13 year old boys parents.
Im not defending gang shooters under house arrest, they should be behind bars. Im not defending unreformed sex offenders being released even after a mandatory 20 year sentence if they are still at risk of reoffending.

I am defending someone who killed while having a psychotic episode when untreated for schizophrenia that they did not know they had. With the psycosis under control they are not a risk to society, no more than anyone else out there.

If the condition has been diagnosed, is responding well to therapy, and if there is a way to track them and ensure that they are taking the drugs and are still stable then its a waste of time and money to keep them locked up 24-7 for the rest of their life. I dont see any point in second guessing the medical professionals who asses this stuff, and I dont get off on punishment as revenge, just for the sake of punishment, it should serve some purpose to prevent re-offending or as a deterrent for others. Locking up a recovered mental patient does neither.
 


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