Manhunt for Magnotta
Jun 5th 2012 | 12:58 am
#136
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Re: Manhunt for Magnotta
Why not narrow it down to barbaric sods like that should be "put down" and really limit the chances of re offending.
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Jun 5th 2012 | 12:58 am
#137
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Re: Manhunt for Magnotta
Jun 5th 2012 | 1:00 am
#138
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Jun 5th 2012 | 1:01 am
#139
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Re: Manhunt for Magnotta
Im not defending gang shooters under house arrest, they should be behind bars. Im not defending unreformed sex offenders being released even after a mandatory 20 year sentence if they are still at risk of reoffending.
I am defending someone who killed while having a psychotic episode when untreated for schizophrenia that they did not know they had. With the psycosis under control they are not a risk to society, no more than anyone else out there.
If the condition has been diagnosed, is responding well to therapy, and if there is a way to track them and ensure that they are taking the drugs and are still stable then its a waste of time and money to keep them locked up 24-7 for the rest of their life. I dont see any point in second guessing the medical professionals who asses this stuff, and I dont get off on punishment as revenge, just for the sake of punishment, it should serve some purpose to prevent re-offending or as a deterrent for others. Locking up a recovered mental patient does neither.
I am defending someone who killed while having a psychotic episode when untreated for schizophrenia that they did not know they had. With the psycosis under control they are not a risk to society, no more than anyone else out there.
If the condition has been diagnosed, is responding well to therapy, and if there is a way to track them and ensure that they are taking the drugs and are still stable then its a waste of time and money to keep them locked up 24-7 for the rest of their life. I dont see any point in second guessing the medical professionals who asses this stuff, and I dont get off on punishment as revenge, just for the sake of punishment, it should serve some purpose to prevent re-offending or as a deterrent for others. Locking up a recovered mental patient does neither.
Jun 5th 2012 | 1:03 am
#140
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Re: Manhunt for Magnotta
In certain circumstances, crimes like Magnottas, which if proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, then yes, I totally agree with an eye for an eye.
It still saddens me that Homolka is free.
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Jun 5th 2012 | 1:04 am
#141
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Re: Manhunt for Magnotta
The ones that are diagnosed, treated, medicated, cleared by a panel of doctors and subject to a follow up regime should be the last of your worries shouldnt they? Its the ones you dont know about and who are undiagnosed or that cant afford the meds are the ones to worry about
You said 300000 psycho nutters in .ca, we are talking about two who are known to chop up people and one who eats people faces. Two, that's 1-2, TWO. Leave the 298000000 to take meds and keep the propper crazy nutters locked up.
Jun 5th 2012 | 1:09 am
#142
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Re: Manhunt for Magnotta
Doesnt strike me as a sane thing to do though based on what Ive seen. The fact he ran away though makes me think he knew it was a bad thing, so Id say lock him up and throw away the key.
As I said before, I cant ever see a justification for the death penalty, two wrongs never made a right, its state sponsored killing in cold blood, which I find a barbaric notion. It doesnt work as a deterent, its not cheaper, its doesnt bring the victim back. In the US its not applied evenly to all races and social classes, In China its used as a political tool, and in the UK they kept executing people later proven innocent. I really dont see how it can be justified.
Anyway, fun as it is to debate around in circles, work is interupting. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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Jun 5th 2012 | 1:14 am
#143
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Re: Manhunt for Magnotta
Ive no idea. Thats why they hold a TRIAL usually.
Doesnt strike me as a sane thing to do though based on what Ive seen. The fact he ran away though makes me think he knew it was a bad thing, so Id say lock him up and throw away the key.
As I said before, I cant ever see a justification for the death penalty, its killing in cold blood, which I find a barbaric notion, it doesnt work as a deterent, its not cheaper, its doesnt bring the victim back. In the US its not applied evenly to all races and social classes, In China its used as a political tool, and in the UK they kept executing people later proven innocent. I really dont see how it can be justified.
Anyway, fun as it is to debate around in circles, work is interupting. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Doesnt strike me as a sane thing to do though based on what Ive seen. The fact he ran away though makes me think he knew it was a bad thing, so Id say lock him up and throw away the key.
As I said before, I cant ever see a justification for the death penalty, its killing in cold blood, which I find a barbaric notion, it doesnt work as a deterent, its not cheaper, its doesnt bring the victim back. In the US its not applied evenly to all races and social classes, In China its used as a political tool, and in the UK they kept executing people later proven innocent. I really dont see how it can be justified.
Anyway, fun as it is to debate around in circles, work is interupting. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Yep we will have to agree to disagree
Jun 5th 2012 | 1:17 am
#144
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Re: Manhunt for Magnotta
I do agree that the death penalty is a non starter. For one it's just to quick and easy for the offender. Keeping a male, or female in a cell, for 30+ years is so much better. No chance of getting out. They probably would wish they were dead, but unable to die.
Jun 5th 2012 | 1:18 am
#145
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Re: Manhunt for Magnotta
Take a look at this, Iain:
http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/res/co...01007-eng.aspx
"The factors that were unrelated to recidivism were also similar. For all groups, recidivism was not significantly related to personal distress, psychosis (even for mentally disordered offenders), or the severity of violence in the index offence."
"Overall, however, the degree of consistency in the risk factors was striking. Even though mentally disordered offenders, sexual offenders and general adult offenders are treated differently by the corrections and health systems, they shared most of the same risk factors [of re-offending]."
http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/res/co...01007-eng.aspx
"The factors that were unrelated to recidivism were also similar. For all groups, recidivism was not significantly related to personal distress, psychosis (even for mentally disordered offenders), or the severity of violence in the index offence."
"Overall, however, the degree of consistency in the risk factors was striking. Even though mentally disordered offenders, sexual offenders and general adult offenders are treated differently by the corrections and health systems, they shared most of the same risk factors [of re-offending]."
Jun 5th 2012 | 1:20 am
#146
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Re: Manhunt for Magnotta
I'd consider death penalty for cases proven within any shadow of a doubt for people like Magnotta, serial killers (clearly like to re offend) and repeat offenders of a crime against children like molestation etc. no matter what the race or class. NOTHING ELSE!
Yep we will have to agree to disagree
Yep we will have to agree to disagree
You dont think the Guildford 4 wouldnt have been strung up had it been an option?
Seriously?
Jun 5th 2012 | 1:23 am
#147
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Re: Manhunt for Magnotta
I said cases like Magnotta, Serial Killers etc, not regular cases with a guilty verdict - I think serial killers guilt has been proven beyond shadow of a doubt, they are serial killers - so yes, SERIOUSLY, i'd rid the planet of them.
Jun 5th 2012 | 1:32 am
#148
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Re: Manhunt for Magnotta
Anyone for whom a jury is req for a conviction can only get life.
Jun 5th 2012 | 1:43 am
#149
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Re: Manhunt for Magnotta
Some people think that an acceptable risk.
