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Aug 9th 2011 | 1:30 am

#106

Souvy

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Re: London Riots

I just had a call from my London office. They are packing up and going home because the rioting is coming their way. We're talking Wimbledon FFS.

Aug 9th 2011 | 1:39 am

#107

airbornesapper

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Re: London Riots

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Originally Posted by dbd33

Wouldn't it be the entire population of Northern Ireland that knows all about rubber bullets? Even if we suppose that the security forces seek only to harm the "criminal element" that's not a weapon that can be used discriminately. The security forces enjoy a unique level of respect and support among innocent bystanders in Northern Ireland, perhaps the government seeks to achieve the same for the Met. Lowering the reputation of the police in London would certainly be an achievement for the history books.

There are not many in the population of NI that have felt one of these in the manner desired unless they were in a rioting mob...but ricochets will happen, usually hitting another rioter....so not always for naught.

As for the potential impact on an unintended target, if you are that close (nearby the actual rioter targeted)......your fault for being mixed up in the main mayhem...where use of these things was called for.

Can't have it both ways....The days ahead will be interesting....

We will be over in the UK, the first two weeks of Sep....on a previous visit, a full-on pub fight broke out in the Cromwell Arms in Bovey Tracey...a coach load of scousers hell bent on trouble..first fight in the town since the English Civil War....We have a repeat dinner planned....hopefully that's the way it will be

Aug 9th 2011 | 1:45 am

#108

dbd33

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Re: London Riots

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Originally Posted by airbornesapper

As for the potential impact on an unintended target, if you are that close (nearby the actual rioter targeted)......your fault for being mixed up in the main mayhem...where use of these things was called for.

If you choose to shoot down residential and commercial streets you will inevitably hit people going about their business, residents and business owners, they don't stop living there and operating shops because there's a riot in progress. You may be comfortable with the collateral damage, your comments later in your post suggest you'd enjoy it, but it certainly aint the fault of the people you shoot that you shot them.

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Originally Posted by airbornesapper

We will be over in the UK, the first two weeks of Sep....on a previous visit, a full-on pub fight broke out in the Cromwell Arms in Bovey Tracey...a coach load of scousers hell bent on trouble..first fight in the town since the English Civil War....We have a repeat dinner planned....hopefully that's the way it will be

Perhaps a proactive police force will take the prudent course of locking you up upon arrival.

Aug 9th 2011 | 1:45 am

#109

Souvy

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Re: London Riots

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Originally Posted by airbornesapper

Always the possibility that some baton rounds will not be aimed at the legs but pitched short. Think 'bodyline bowling'. I have a nasty feeling that tonight could get very ugly indeed.

Aug 9th 2011 | 2:53 am

#110

Tangram

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Re: London Riots

If your 14 year old suddenly has a 42" plasma and 3 mobile phones, ask him where he got them.

Aug 9th 2011 | 2:56 am

#111

JamesM

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Re: London Riots

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Originally Posted by London Mike

I'd say Cameron's Big Society looks pretty small tonight. Mindless, stupid, pathetic violence - yes - but this has been brewing for many months now. Anti-working class and anti-youth policies as well as other Govt initiatives have exposed and even widened divisions in Britain's society and created, in only one year, a generation of angry, disenfranchised young people with fewer opportunities than before May 2010. In Waltham Forest before the election last year there were 1 in 4 'neets' (not in education, employment or training). In one year that figure had dropped 1 in 3 - says much, really.

I'm sure people will argue with me on this point, so go ahead. I'm not condoning the violence but I lay the blame firmly at the door of Britain's unelected government.

To use a Canadian expression, what a ****ing gong-show.

Looking forward to discussing this over our next beer Mike.

Personally I just think that the Policing was too soft.

There are 7 million people in London and this is a few thousand youth's running from High street to High street.

Last edited by JamesM; Aug 9th 2011 at 3:00 am.

Aug 9th 2011 | 2:58 am

#112

magnumpi

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Re: London Riots

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Originally Posted by JamesM

Looking forward to discussing this over a beer Mike.

Personally I just think that the Policing was too soft.

There are 7 million people in London and this is a few thousand youth's running from High street to High street.

Yeh soft suthern cops.

Aug 9th 2011 | 3:12 am

#113

Alan2005

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Re: London Riots

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Originally Posted by jimf

This has been on the cards for years. In the past the mirage of a strong economy just papered over the cracks. Miliband has no more idea than Cameron does.

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Originally Posted by Keith

You cannot just blame the government, there are many others that should take the blame.

For years jobs that used to be available to undereducated youth are no longer there and for this we can blame all of us that want cheap consumer goods.

When I left school at the age of 14 there were many opportunities for full employment, 90% of those jobs don't exist today.

It's easy to make cheap jokes about these riots but don't just place the blame on the government, we are all guilty.

+1 also. The solution is actually pretty simple - but we all want our slave built $40 dvd players from wal-mart.

Aug 9th 2011 | 3:16 am

#114

el_richo

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Re: London Riots

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Originally Posted by Alan2005

that generation being told they are great and they can do anything if they put their minds to it. Except it's lies and now they are pissed off.

In all fairness, how many of the gayers rioting and looting take that in and actually try? Probably not that many i would guess.

Aug 9th 2011 | 3:17 am

#115

macadian

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Re: London Riots

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Originally Posted by Alan2005

I feel there is some truth in this. But I can't quite get a handle on it. Something about the that generation being told they are great and they can do anything if they put their minds to it. Except it's lies and now they are pissed off.

+1 also. The solution is actually pretty simple - but we all want our slave built $40 dvd players from wal-mart.

Ripped off my son...got one the other day for $29.95....slaves must be on a productivity deal...like no workee (harder), no eatee?

Aug 9th 2011 | 3:18 am

#116

Jingsamichty

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Re: London Riots

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Originally Posted by Souvy

I just had a call from my London office. They are packing up and going home because the rioting is coming their way. We're talking Wimbledon FFS.

Sup up your beer and collect your fags, there's a row going on down near Wimbledon...

The Eton rifles of David Cameron and Boris Johnson are on their way to sort it out... what chance have you got against a tie and a crest?

Last edited by Jingsamichty; Aug 9th 2011 at 3:20 am.