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Re: Great Britains Furure - post Brexit

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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11984144)

Could CO or Siouxie please amend this thread title to Future, it's driving me crazy reading Furure...too much like Furore (ironically). ;)

Done. :)

Re: Great Britains Furure - post Brexit

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Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 11983663)

We are going to be flooded with bloody immigrants now...

Brexit fallout: â€˜How to move to Canadaâ€™ trends in U.K. after European Union vote

Brexit fallout: â€˜How to move to Canadaâ€™ trends in U.K. after European Union vote - National | Globalnews.ca

Not likely there is only so many visas a year.

This will just drive up the que and make CIC even slower if such a thing is possible.

Re: Great Britains Furure - post Brexit

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 11984382)

Done. :)

Muchos gracias ! (I won't mention the apostrophe.)

Re: Great Britains Furure - post Brexit

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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11984387)

Muchos gracias ! (I won't mention the apostrophe.)

;)

Re: Great Britains Future - post Brexit

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Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11983351)

How quickly can the divorce papers be signed, will it take 24 months or will Brussels push to get this done ASAP?

Time is not the most important factor - It needs to be done properly. The right people need to be in place on both sides of the table first

- Is the Home Office/UKBA going move quickly on suspending the Surinder Singh route... hopefully yes

Hopefully no - Family members should not be kept apart....see Berlin Wall.

- Will all those presently in the UK from the EU (largest being Poland) who are not permanent residents be told to leave the UK....hopefully yes

Not unless they have committed a crime. They need to be given an opportunity to stay if they want to.

- How quickly can the UK stop EU freedom of movement... hopefully by the end of 2016

That is likely too soon. End of 2019 to mid 2020 is more realistic.

- Will the UK airports change the border immigration passport control to remove the two tier entry of 'EU passport holders', to change it to British Citizens with EU passport holders lumped with 'all others' the way it was 40 odd years ago.... hopefully yes

With modern biometric passports it wont matter where you are from in the not too distant future.

- Will the EHIC for all the expats living in Europe be suspended... hopefully yes.

Hopefully not - an ongoing agreement should remain in place. I would like this to be expanded to other parts of the world under one system.

- What about the expats currently residing in Europe, will they be asked to leave, and if they are allowed to remain, will their indexed pensions no longer exist.... hopefully so

Not if they are British Citizens and qualify for the state pension. If they choose to renounce then their pension should be frozen on the day they do so.

- What about the 'Good Friday' agreement between the Republic of Ireland & Northern Ireland, does that cease to exist .... hopefully so

Good God no!! The Irish part of this will need a lot of work and cooperation from both sides.

- Within the next 36 months will Scotland & Northern Ireland have a a 'to separate from the UK referendum'.... hopefully so with a yes outcome.

No. Scotland voted decisively in their referendum. NI and Wales should have a referendum if their people want. The jocks voted to stay and they should accept what they voted for. They knew that Brexit was an option. I bet Salmond nearly came in his pants when we voted out though.

I am for Brexit but my reasons are quite different to yours. You are of course entitled to your view but I strongly disagree with some of your sentiments. Britain is a nation that has always looked outward in terms of trade and immigration. We now have a fantastic opportunity to go out to the world with open arms and embrace people wherever they come from. We can now have an immigration system that welcomes everyone on an even footing from around the world and decide on the criteria for them to come to Britain. A system like we all went through to come to Canada.

I think that continued cooperation with the EU is important for both parties as they have so much invested. The benefit is we are now free to deal with the rest of the world as we see fit. There will no doubt be some choppy waters ahead as a result of this but this is by in large down to the uncertainty of the unknown not because the sky is going to fall in economically. Yes the FTSE and the Pound fell however a lot nations have spent the last 20+ years trying to devalue their currency to keep exports attractive. The pound will find its level. The FTSE fell to 6100. Its still higher than it was a month ago. It will find its level. Most of this was due to markets pricing for remain. They got it wrong. This has and will happen again. In reality it just presents an opportunity to make a bit on the rebound - The self serving few.

For me this was not a vote to stick two fingers up to Europe and pull up the drawbridge but a vote to a future of being more Globalist. Out of the crony club and into the wider world.

Re: Great Britains Furure - post Brexit

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Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 11983663)

We are going to be flooded with bloody immigrants now...

Brexit fallout: â€˜How to move to Canadaâ€™ trends in U.K. after European Union vote

And I'm sure other people thought the same thing when you were an immigrant...

Re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit

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Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 11983248)

Oh for goodness sake..

Why do people generalise and belittle because the vote didn't go the way they hoped? Why does it concern them so much of the age, education, employment or otherwise of those that voted to leave - don't they think there were an (almost) equal amount of people with a similar background who voted remain?

Stop pointing the finger because others dissagreed!

IMHO, people were just fed up to the back teeth of not having control over their own country any longer.

Regardless, the deed is done.

Time to move on and move forwards.

Exactly this. Some of my friends openly said that they didnt really know which way to vote so we are voting remain. Blindly voting for the satus quo!! I found this appalling and equally ignorant as those voting leave for the backward, xenophobic or worse racist reasons.

Re: Great Britains Future - post Brexit

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Originally Posted by Alex2201 (Post 11984437)

For me this was not a vote to stick two fingers up to Europe and pull up the drawbridge but a vote to a future of being more Globalist. Out of the crony club and into the wider world.

It's a laudable sentiment, but in what way is Britain going to be more globalist now? Has the EU stopped us from inventing the next Google ? Is our science base going to receive more funding under an independent Britain than under the EU ? Will we start leading the world in driverless cars now that the shackles of EU have been released? I really don't understand where the gain to be made is? Our engineering , architectural, media, banking, legal, insurance, pharma firms are already world class. Untapped potential in Asia or Americas is not because of the EU it's because we have yet to put the effort in. I can see a positive role for independent UK developing Africa and Commonwealth in agriculture, but beyond that I don't know what big global pie you're chasing after??

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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11984514)

It's a laudable sentiment, but in what way is Britain going to be more globalist now?

Britain would have been more global as part of the EU trade agreement with Canada. ;)

Re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit

Too bad about the result in the referredum. Funny how all the people I'm seeing on the news celebrating the EU result are thick chavvy ******s. They were in Dudley last night and the people there Jesus Christ, not a brain cell between them and they're the ones who've decided the future?! That says it all!

Re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit

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Originally Posted by Alex2201 (Post 11984455)

Oh yes, I agree. Much better to vote for a plethora of lies when you're too ignorant to do your own research.

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Originally Posted by Canuck74 (Post 11984621)

It dispiriting in it. News tonight, couple of young men, never bothered to vote before but decided to this time, because the vote counts. Voted out on immigration because "wanted a change, things couldn't get any worse, could they". Oh really?

However, I suppose it's not totally their fault. They were uneducated men with no interest or capability in political discourse. They just simply should not have been asked to vote. None of us should.

And then there's this town Wales...you couldn't make this level of incoherence up: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...eave-ebbw-vale

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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11984662)

However, I suppose it's not totally their fault. They were uneducated men with no interest or capability in political discourse. They just simply should not have been asked to vote. None of us should.

I ask the question. Why should an interest in political discourse make you better able to make a choice than those who haven't such an interest.

I often make the case that a monkey would be better at decision making than most politicians because they would reach the correct decision 50% of the time whereas politician's first and foremost criteria concern how they will look when the dust has settled and completely ignore the problem in question.

Similarly a great many so called political pundits have axes to grind and reach different views of the same issue.

Whether or not the referendum should have been held is old news, but decrying the validity of anyone's right to offer their opinion betrays a bigoted approach that is symptomatic of why so many voted Leave.

Re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit

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Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 11984683)

It's not about opinions. Save random opinions for X-Factor.

Even here, you're confusing a distaste for perceived bigotry with steering an economic and political course. People vote to undo 40 years of stability and progress because they're offended ?!

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But I wanna go work in France or Germany or anywhere, I'm 18, I don't give a flying **** whether it's good for the country or not, I just wanna party in Ibiza, that's a good enough reason to stay in the EU :argue: Did you actually go and vote? OMG you're so ignorant, I can't believe you didn't at least study politics at Uni - you did go to Uni, right? You didn't? **** me, seriously? That was your reason to stay?

Works both ways.

Sorry, had a bevvy (or 3).. lol